Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #105

[rosesfromangels]

As it turns out Abby was the avid fisherperson. Libby was athletic, took forensics classes and was a welder.
Perhaps those activities crossed over with BG at some point in time.

There seems to be a fair amount of speculation about a fishing connection of some sort. Do we know if Abby had a routine fishing schedule?

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Cutiekitty]

A few things...

1. The timeline is really too tight for this to have happened in that way. LE seems to think that the time between Abby's picture being taken and the girls' deaths as really quickly-less than 2 hours, if I am remembering correctly. Taking them into town, driving around, coming back, etc...not a whole lot of time. Abby's picture was taken a little after 2pm and by 3:30 (before that, really) someone was looking for them.

2. It wouldn't explain the recorded convo about the man behind them. We don't know if they really used the word "creepy" or not, but they did seem to comment on his presence and not in a "let's hang out with him" kind of way. I don't think they'd have had that convo and then gotten into the car with him in what amounts of a few minutes later.

3. It wouldn't explain why Libby started videotaping him on the bridge. Why turn it on and secretly film him and then agree to go ride around with him? (Unless the whole videotaping of him was an accident and she hadn't meant to.)

The scenario would explain a few things-why nobody heard them scream and the phone "pinging around town". It might also explain how they got across the creek without wading through it. I think there are other, more probable explanations for those things though: they didn't scream because they were too afraid, the phone was simply bouncing off towers because the towers were full, and they were either ordered across the creek, crossed back over the bridge (and were accosted THERE), or they panicked and ran.

It's not a bad idea, though. I don't want you to think that I'm pooh-poohing it. When the crime first happened, that's what I thought had happened. I thought the girls had met up with some peers close to their age and that they'd either been bullied or hazed and it had culminated in their deaths. As the facts started coming out, though, my theory no longer made sense.

Thanks for taking a look at it. It just seems like a logical scenario, but I wasn’t sure if it would’ve actually have been physically possible. Hopefully one day soon there will be no more need for theories or discussion and BG is locked up where he should be.

 

[mtnlites]

Thanks for taking a look at it. It just seems like a logical scenario, but I wasn’t sure if it would’ve actually have been physically possible. Hopefully one day soon there will be no more need for theories or discussion and BG is locked up where he should be.

It's physically possible, yes. Theoretically it could make sense. But given what we know about the time factor I'm not real sure it's likely.

 

[Jabarn]

That is what I keep wondering. Libby took classes at Purdue, which exposed her to college aged males. So many from Delphi, Monticello, and the surrounding smaller towns that are familiar with the bridge and trails go to Purdue after high school. I go back and forth between whether someone tracked her there or whether it was random and he was just was just on the lookout for a victim, but either way I think Purdue is a good source of the age range that would know Delphi. If going off the sketch, that is a young man and very much on the younger side of the age range given.

To be fair, I was thinking with the brutality and what seemed to be an isolated spot (two years ago), BG had to be a stranger, transient, off the grid killer. And possibly a serial offender. The new press conference has me rethinking and thinking this trail system and Monon High Bridge isn’t truly that isolated. Hopefully, everything is on course for an arrest. I know we are all hoping for resolution, sooner better than later.

 

[Razz]

There seems to be a fair amount of speculation about a fishing connection of some sort. Do we know if Abby had a routine fishing schedule?

Amateur opinion and speculation

She fished in the Monan Bridge area.
Just wondering if BG could have seen her there on previous occasions. All speculation. No known connection that I am aware of.

 

[flashy09]

To be fair, I was thinking with the brutality and what seemed to be an isolated spot (two years ago), BG had to be a stranger, transient, off the grid killer. And possibly a serial offender. The new press conference has me rethinking and thinking this trail system and Monon High Bridge isn’t truly that isolated. Hopefully, everything is on course for an arrest. I know we are all hoping for resolution, sooner better than later.

So I go back and forth with so many thing including wondering if BG is what you described. After following Elizabeth Shelley's case....which was disorganized, spontaneous, messy, evidence everywhere, and very much seems like a first time without much planning, I start to wonder about BG and think maybe he is someone with experience or at least someone that did a lot of research and planning. Because compared to that case, he was good. There isn't blatant evidence left nearby and somehow it's been 2+ years without an arrest.

 

[mtnlites]

There seems to be a fair amount of speculation about a fishing connection of some sort. Do we know if Abby had a routine fishing schedule?

Amateur opinion and speculation

Not sure about Abby but from what I know about those of us who enjoy fishing, there's not much of a "schedule" one can keep. Unless you're a commercial fisherman or you do it as part of a club or organized group, quality of fishing is usually gauged by the elements. There are a lot of variables. We might pick a day in the future because we know we have that off, but in planning we think about the weather, the temperature, the season, recent rainfall, etc. All of those can change at the last minute. It's a very loose hobby most of the time. It's not like a scheduling a walk every day at 5pm or painting every Wednesday at 7am kind of thing. It's relaxing, a good time for reflection, quality time with your loved ones...Many of us find that a routine kind of takes the fun out of it.

 

[cluciano63]

He may have left, and then returned when things cooled down.

He may have left altogether.

He also may not have left at all.

There is plenty of precedent for any of these behaviors.

My assumption just based on no one seeming to know who this guy is. I do not feel like he is someone who is seen around town a lot, if ever.

 

[cluciano63]

Was Abby an avid fisherman or just liked fishing as one of many activities? I gathered she spent much of her time with Libby. Jmo

 

[Blueberry2720]

BBM MOO Maybe he did leave his car there after 5 and when asked, he claimed he arrived around 5 when it was in fact parked there earlier. Now LE wants witnesses who can place it there earlier in the afternoon.
Just my thoughts at the moment.

I think the car was there from 12-5 and LE knows it. I also think they know who owns it. What I DON'T think they know for sure, is who was driving it. That is what I think they were looking/asking for in the PC.

And, since LE knows the car's owner(s), I would bank on the fact that they have interviewed him/her/them. I think they are stuck on the fence, with numerous tips pointing at the car's owner(s) being tied to the murders, directly or indirectly, but they don't have total proof.

Personally, I find the car being parked where it was to be very odd. My understanding (and I could be wrong) is there were 2 parking areas for the park, and the CPS building wasn't one of them. So why would someone park there? It's not near anything else from what I can tell from the aerial shots and helicopter video. It's off the beaten path, and kind of out in the middle of nowhere

So, I think it was BG's car. LE has linked the car to its owner(s) AND to the CPS building AND to the proximity AND timing of the murders. They just don't have enough to tie all of that to the actual murders.

JMO, etc.

 

[MassGuy]

My assumption just based on no one seeming to know who this guy is. I do not feel like he is someone who is seen around town a lot, if ever.

Yeah, if he lived there, I think someone would have recognized him by now.

My personal belief is that he lived there in the past, or has atleast spent time there.

If he lives on the outskirts somewhere, and likewise lives on the outskirts of society, then it makes a lot more sense.

 

[ab01]

There seems to be a fair amount of speculation about a fishing connection of some sort. Do we know if Abby had a routine fishing schedule?

Amateur opinion and speculation

Do we know Abbys fishing schedule? I'm going to go out on a limb here and presume we have no idea

 

[mtnlites]

I think the car was there from 12-5 and LE knows it. I also think they know who owns it. What I DON'T think they know for sure, is who was driving it. That is what I think they were looking/asking for in the PC.

And, since LE knows the car's owner(s), I would bank on the fact that they have interviewed him/her/them. I think they are stuck on the fence, with numerous tips pointing at the car's owner(s) being tied to the murders, directly or indirectly, but they don't have total proof.

Personally, I find the car being parked where it was to be very odd. My understanding (and I could be wrong) is there were 2 parking areas for the park, and the CPS building wasn't one of them. So why would someone park there? It's not near anything else from what I can tell from the aerial shots and helicopter video. It's off the beaten path, and kind of out in the middle of nowhere

So, I think it was BG's car. LE has linked the car to its owner(s) and the CPS building, and to the proximity and timing of the murders. They just don't have enough to tie all of that to the actual murders.

JMO, etc.

The old govt building is a popular parking spot for the park.The other places have limited areas. There are only 2 spots in one, if I'm remembering correctly. It's not uncommon to park where the old building was. It's just a few minutes from there to the trail and there's a little path. It's not as out of the way as it looks from the aerial shots. We've parked there as much as much as anywhere else.

 

[Blueberry2720]

The old govt building is a popular parking spot for the park.The other places have limited areas. There are only 2 spots in one, if I'm remembering correctly. It's not uncommon to park where the old building was. It's just a few minutes from there to the trail and there's a little path. It's not as out of the way as it looks from the aerial shots. We've parked there as much as much as anywhere else.

I wasn't aware of this - thanks for clarifying. I wonder how many cars were parked there the day of the murders.

 

[Charlot123]

Yeah, if he lived there, I think someone would have recognized him by now.

My personal belief is that he lived there in the past, or has atleast spent time there.

If he lives on the outskirts somewhere, and likewise lives on the outskirts of society, then it makes a lot more sense.

Problem is, sometimes a person lives ten miles away, and no one knows about the case in the area. An example? A "Tinder killing" in WA in 2016. I bet only women who were actively dating in WA around that time noticed the occurrence.

People stopped subscribing to newspapers. As to the Internet, it brings you trivial news. Mass murders, yes. Killings on a bridge, maybe not.

So there may be a situation when the person is living 10 miles away, and since no one recognized him immediately, and people do not tend to follow the case for two years, they simply missed the latest presser.

Logically, they should be on high alert for the voice, the mannerisms and maybe someone who is a quiet loner. But, they just missed the PC, and are totally ignorant of the newest developments.

 

[crhedBngr]

He may have left, and then returned when things cooled down.

He may have left altogether.

He also may not have left at all.

There is plenty of precedent for any of these behaviors.

FWIW, there was speculation that BG worked at the Delphi Indiana Packers facility. After some Googling, I found out Indiana Packers has acquired another facility in Kentucky, and also one in Holland, Michigan. The Holland, Michigan facility was supposedly acquired on 07/03/2014. (This date stuck out like the proverbial sore thumb to me.)

I don't know what the turnover is in a meat-packing plant, but it's possible BG rotated between several of the company's locations.

Indiana Packers Corporation Announces Agreement to Acquire Specialty Foods Group, LLC

Indiana Packers acquires Quincy Street

 

[Falling Down]

To be fair, I was thinking with the brutality and what seemed to be an isolated spot (two years ago), BG had to be a stranger, transient, off the grid killer. And possibly a serial offender. The new press conference has me rethinking and thinking this trail system and Monon High Bridge isn’t truly that isolated. Hopefully, everything is on course for an arrest. I know we are all hoping for resolution, sooner better than later.

It isn't isolated, I agree with that 100%. The bridge is hidden, though, it's in the gorge for the creek. It can't be seen from the surrounding countryside, and the walk to it is through the woods on an old railroad RoW.

When the murders happened, some local folks interviewed were aware a bridge is located there along Deer Creek, but had never been to it. BG knows where it is, but why, and how?

-FD

 

[Charlot123]

FWIW, there was speculation that BG worked at the Delphi Indiana Packers facility. After some Googling, I found out Indiana Packers has acquired another facility in Kentucky, and also one in Holland, Michigan. The Holland, Michigan facility was supposedly acquired on 07/03/2014.

I don't know what the turnover is in a meat-packing plant, but it's possible BG rotated between several of the company's locations.

Indiana Packers Corporation Announces Agreement to Acquire Specialty Foods Group, LLC

Indiana Packers acquires Quincy Street

It would be interesting to find out how they hired workers for their facilities. Were these locals? Any background checking? Where did workers live, did they rent, or were there some multi-apartment houses for them? Prior history of construction work? Who was absent from.work on Feb 13th? Indiana Packers is a huge job provider, I bet they have HR department.

 

[crhedBngr]

It would be interesting to find out how they hired workers for their facilities. Were these locals? Any background checking? Where did workers live, did they rent, or were there some multi-apartment houses for them? Prior history of construction work? Who was absent from.work on Feb 13th? Indiana Packers is a huge job provider, I bet they have HR department.

They do indeed have an HR department. I have no idea as to how much their employees (full time, part-time and temporary) are screened. Maybe someone with knowledge can fill us in.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

The last PC was April 22.

I think I may have gotten my hopes up too high.

As more time passes I don't think LE has the slightest clue who BG is.