Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #113

[distracted]

The snapchat photo?

Yes, the one of Abby walking on the bridge.

It's probably nothing but it's odd. The depth of perception is an issue but I can't dismiss that it might have been someone standing on a mound or a log or something. Or even in a tree.

 

[Hansen]

Yes, the one of Abby walking on the bridge.

It's probably nothing but it's odd. The depth of perception is an issue but I can't dismiss that it might have been someone standing on a mound or a log or something. Or even in a tree.

The shape in the back left center?

 

[distracted]

I assume it's a shadow, but it's eerily in the same shape and colors as BG, like literal foreshadowing by nature. enlarging it makes it too blurry to see anything. I don't think it would make the person too tall when you compare it to the poles in front of the bridge entrance. How high are they? they are about the same length as what would be legs in the shadow image. In my view, the shadow person is coming down a bank on the side of the trail, so he wouldn't really be that tall - he would just be on the edge of an incline making him higher than the trail.
the real height and thinness of BG is discernible in that picture, IMO (very tall and thin).

It is definitely eerie!

 

[distracted]

The shape in the back left center?

If I'm looking at the photo it's at what would be the narrow end of the bridge behind Abby, on the right of the bridge. It's a dark shadowy shape.

 

[Hansen]

If I'm looking at the photo it's at what would be the narrow end of the bridge behind Abby, on the right of the bridge. It's a dark shadowy shape.

There also looks like something to the left of that as well in my opinion.

 

[moonlessnight]

it's just a bit diagonally up and off to the right from the north end of the bridge from the viewer's perspective.

If I'm looking at the photo it's at what would be the narrow end of the bridge behind Abby, on the right of the bridge. It's a dark shadowy shape.

 

[moonlessnight]

now I've convinced myself that's when he came out of the woods. wasn't it said that Abby said "he's right behind me isn't he?" when Libby took the video of BG walking? So, Libby takes the SC pix of Abby on the bridge and sees BG come out of the woods and start onto the bridge. She mentions it and Abby turns and looks at him. This is the same guy they said was creepy earlier and they decide to get across to the S end of the bridge to get away from him. He gains on them and by the time Libby is at the last platform, he is behind Abby and Libby videos him. Then, DTH...
That would put him on the bridge around 2:15 instead of 2:30, which would give him 45 min before the female photographer showed up on the bridge at 3.

 

[sunshineray]

I think quite a few of us wonder that but waiting on DNA possibly November MOO.

Just curious, what makes you think November?

 

[tresir2012]

interacting with GH isn't that easy imo (ive tried.)
helps if your on the 'payroll" ....

moo

Yes I have never done it, he is unforgiving in his comments sometime LOL.

 

[tresir2012]

Just curious, what makes you think November?

In a couple of other Indiana murder cases November has been quoted as possibly when DNA may come back. So I am guessing that is how long any POI DNA may also take to come back from testing in this case, if they have any POI's. They do have at least one I know of who is dead (Paul Etter) and they have also said anyone who is accused or convicted of offences against children is looked at too.
MOO.

 

[tresir2012]

Wasn't there an ax involved also?

I don't think they ever stated that an axe was involved in the Tim Watkins murder but there was hatchet menacing as separate incidents.

 

[tresir2012]

Could the two sketches be relatives of each other?

I think that is very possible IMO.

 

[tresir2012]

now I've convinced myself that's when he came out of the woods. wasn't it said that Abby said "he's right behind me isn't he?" when Libby took the video of BG walking? So, Libby takes the SC pix of Abby on the bridge and sees BG come out of the woods and start onto the bridge. She mentions it and Abby turns and looks at him. This is the same guy they said was creepy earlier and they decide to get across to the S end of the bridge to get away from him. He gains on them and by the time Libby is at the last platform, he is behind Abby and Libby videos him. Then, DTH...
That would put him on the bridge around 2:15 instead of 2:30, which would give him 45 min before the female photographer showed up on the bridge at 3.

Could you post the SC of Abby with the bit circled you want us to focus on?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

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[tresir2012]

now I've convinced myself that's when he came out of the woods. wasn't it said that Abby said "he's right behind me isn't he?" when Libby took the video of BG walking? So, Libby takes the SC pix of Abby on the bridge and sees BG come out of the woods and start onto the bridge. She mentions it and Abby turns and looks at him. This is the same guy they said was creepy earlier and they decide to get across to the S end of the bridge to get away from him. He gains on them and by the time Libby is at the last platform, he is behind Abby and Libby videos him. Then, DTH...
That would put him on the bridge around 2:15 instead of 2:30, which would give him 45 min before the female photographer showed up on the bridge at 3.

This is from the Heavy.com link in the media thread. From what I can see, the large shadow to the top right of the posts at the south end of the bridge looks too big and too high up to be BG IMO.

I do see what you mean about the shadow looking like BG though when you enlarge the SC as big as you can. It sure is spooky.

Abigail Williams is seen in the final Snapchat photo posted by Liberty German. (Facebook)

 

[tresir2012]

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Thanks. I have also found and posted the original SC above.

 

[Charlot123]

In a couple of other Indiana murder cases November has been quoted as possibly when DNA may come back. So I am guessing that is how long any POI DNA may also take to come back from testing in this case, if they have any POI's. They do have at least one I know of who is dead (Paul Etter) and they have also said anyone who is accused or convicted of offences against children is looked at too.
MOO.

Potentially, there are tons of open-source, free genetic databases that are used in genealogy. If we are thinking a serial killer, what the criminologists need to do is just to put his DNA into the format used by one of major ancestry testing companies that all of these databases are compatible with, and then run through all of them. I don’t think anything is illegal when it comes to a potential serial killer.

Since so many of these killers start with torturing and killing domestic animals, such as dogs, cats, or bunnies, and then proceed to killing humans, what if the perp has a clean record, but used to kill animals, and now proceeded to humans? Would an animal + 2 humans make the person a serial killer? Should such a person be viewed as the SK? (I am not speaking about hunters or fishers, only about the ones who torture and murder animals, the common denominator among serial killers).

 

[Charlot123]

I assume it's a shadow, but it's eerily in the same shape and colors as BG, like literal foreshadowing by nature. enlarging it makes it too blurry to see anything. I don't think it would make the person too tall when you compare it to the poles in front of the bridge entrance. How high are they? they are about the same length as what would be legs in the shadow image. In my view, the shadow person is coming down a bank on the side of the trail, so he wouldn't really be that tall - he would just be on the edge of an incline making him higher than the trail.
the real height and thinness of BG is discernible in that picture, IMO (very tall and thin). I can even see his stride - left hand down by his left leg, which is crossing in front of the right one, right hand in pocket or on hip. even looks like a hood on his head.

if it isn't BG, what is it a shadow of? Maybe GH can figure that out.

To me the colors and the posture looks like BG. It is impossible to tell as we are dealing with a SC photo, and we don’t know how well it reflects the background objects, but I can’t unsee it.

As to GH, interesting theory, but no one should be led by it, it is not a fact. We have the time frame from 2:07 to 3:15, or maybe 3:00.

 

[kc1023]

re: something in the background of abby on the bridge snapchat

I'm going on memory but this was obviously heavily discussed back in the beginning and as I recall it was determined that it is not so far away or the bridge so high up etc that you would not be able to clearly see something. There's no person or car or anything, it would not be very tiny from the height of the bridge, you'd be able easily make it out. JMO

 

[tresir2012]

To me the colors and the posture looks like BG. It is impossible to tell as we are dealing with a SC photo, and we don’t know how well it reflects the background objects, but I can’t unsee it.

As to GH, interesting theory, but no one should be led by it, it is not a fact. We have the time frame from 2:07 to 3:15, or maybe 3:00.

The times are facts. 2.30 on billboard is a LE fact. 2.07 SC is MSM fact. 3.00 is witness fact in MSM. (Times are additionally verified by GH)