Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #114

[Deleted member 102539]

I have been researching popular apps that teens use, and came across this article listing 21 of them. There are a couple I haven't heard of before....... this list may be a great resource for cases involving the social media aspect? (I realize a social media connection with Abby and Libby hasn't been revealed).
Here are a few (see article for full list):

Best Secret Folder: This app is specifically meant to "hide photos and videos," and features password protection, decoy videos and alarm settings.

- Monkey: It is a live video chat app that connects users to random strangers worldwide, offering group chat and private message options. It claims to be rated for ages 12 and up but has "mild sexual content and nudity."

Skout: It's a location-based dating app. While users under 17 years old are unable to share private photos, kids can easily create an account with an older age.

- Whatsapp: This is a popular messaging app that allows users to send texts, photos, voicemails, as well as make calls and video chats.

LiveMe: This live-streaming video app uses geolocation to share videos so users can find out a broadcaster's exact location. Users can earn coins within the app and use them as a way to pay minors for photos.

- Holla: The app's makers admit it's an "addicting" video chat app. It allows users to meet people all over the world in just seconds.

- Whisper: This is an anonymous social network that promotes sharing secrets with strangers. It also reveals a user's location so people can meet up.

Sarasota sheriff warns parents about more apps following arrest of 23 suspected child predators

One more:
"MeetMe" App: What Every Parent Needs to Know

Although the MeetMe app possesses a 4-star Google Play rating and over 100 million users, MeetMe is one of the most dangerous apps available to teens.

 

[almagata]

Does anyone have the link to the scanner from 2-13-17 and 2-14-17? I know they were posted, but I don't recall where that was. I'd like to go back and listen to them.

 

[Boxer]

So you got me curious. I read all the posts after and followed what other's said about Weichman Pig Company. There's one located in Delphi, just north of the trail and on the west side of Hoosier Heartland Hwy. There's also a Weichman Pig Company in La Porte, Iowa, which is about 14 miles south of Evansdale. There are many other locations (all off major highway systems), as well: http://wiechmanpig.com/stations.html

One difference between the cases is that in IA, the girls were transported to another location, where in IN they were not (unless the original intention was the get them to a vehicle parked at the cemetery, but plans changed).

The Indiana Packers plant has reviews on Google, and the truck drivers complain that they sit there for up to 10 hours waiting to load/unload. It's less than an hours walk to the trail from there, so I haven't completely dismissed that idea, either. A truck driver could be based anywhere between the two murder locations and have routine routes both directions. Just a few thoughts.

MOO, unless beyond incompetent the police must have used all the power possible to locate all trucks in the area. Using weigh station and transponder information to company scheduling they must have been able to identify them all.

 

[Falling Down]

So you got me curious. I read all the posts after and followed what other's said about Weichman Pig Company. There's one located in Delphi, just north of the trail and on the west side of Hoosier Heartland Hwy. There's also a Weichman Pig Company in La Porte, Iowa, which is about 14 miles south of Evansdale. There are many other locations (all off major highway systems), as well: http://wiechmanpig.com/stations.html

One difference between the cases is that in IA, the girls were transported to another location, where in IN they were not (unless the original intention was the get them to a vehicle parked at the cemetery, but plans changed).

The Indiana Packers plant has reviews on Google, and the truck drivers complain that they sit there for up to 10 hours waiting to load/unload. It's less than an hours walk to the trail from there, so I haven't completely dismissed that idea, either. A truck driver could be based anywhere between the two murder locations and have routine routes both directions. Just a few thoughts.

I'm open to the idea that Delphi is or has been a destination for BG, which definitely opens up the possibility, in my mind, that BG has a job where he gets to travel, has frequent time off, etc. He had to have had that Monday off from his job, but at the same time could have been "home for dinner".

My hunch for some time has been that BG 'found' the bridge or was told about it, and he came back on his own, in his or someone else's vehicle, to check it out. Probably made multiple trips to the bridge. Probably did dry/practice runs previous to 2.13.17, and decided to strike that day.

JMO

-FD

 

[TheVisual]

Does anyone have the link to the scanner from 2-13-17 and 2-14-17? I know they were posted, but I don't recall where that was. I'd like to go back and listen to them.

Scanner thread link is on page one of every thread. NOTE! Anything from the scanner thread is not allowed on this main thread.

 

[TheVisual]

Does anyone have the link to the scanner from 2-13-17 and 2-14-17? I know they were posted, but I don't recall where that was. I'd like to go back and listen to them.

Scanner thread link is on page one of every thread. NOTE! Anything from the scanner thread is not allowed on this main thread.

 

[acutename]

I was reviewing and thinking about the April PC, yes...again. Two things...

It was stated by ISP that the family was only told the news contained in the PC a little bit before the conference started. When I was watching the conference the reporter mentioned seeing the Patty's leaving right befored the PC started. Reporter said they were very upset with BP crying, so it would seem they were told right there on site, that day.

My thought was why did the ISP inform the family in this way? ISP Carter even requested the media to give them 2 weeks of privacy. If there's that concern for them then why not tell them say the night before the PC in private at their home or at the police station, away from all media? It would have been kinder and made more sense considering LE's media request, don't you think?

The only reason that stands up and shouts is the ISP knew the family would recognise who that sketch was and couldn't tell them ahead of time to keep it secret because LE wanted the killer to not suspect the new strategy at all. They wanted him there at the conference and felt he would be there, because he'd been at the others, unless he felt a bad vibe from others. They couldn't tell the family until that day and at that place because killer is in a familiar circle with the family somehow.

The second thing was don't you think it was very personal and less generic to bring up religion in the way it was addressed? The ISP have seen with their own eyes and heard with their own ears the horrors the killer committed against two young girls. Yet they addressed this monster at one point like they thought, like they knew, he had religion in him, a bit a conscious left. It wasn't said as a stab in the dark, let's see IF this is relatable to him or his people. LE knew religion was a significant part of the killer's life, his family's life, because they know who he is, they know who his people are...I think it's going to turn out that the girl's families know him also. AJMO Thoughts?

has LE said that they have ruled out all the family members? usually, as insensitive as it may be, they can never do that. they also have to suspect close friends and associates, until they can completely rule them out.

 

[Boxer]

I'm open to the idea that Delphi is or has been a destination for BG, which definitely opens up the possibility, in my mind, that BG has a job where he gets to travel, has frequent time off, etc. He had to have had that Monday off from his job, but at the same time could have been "home for dinner".

My hunch for some time has been that BG 'found' the bridge or was told about it, and he came back on his own, in his or someone else's vehicle, to check it out. Probably made multiple trips to the bridge. Probably did dry/practice runs previous to 2.13.17, and decided to strike that day.

JMO

-FD

MOO this sounds right, as it is a strong possibility, BG is an "occasional visitor with family ties."
I hope detectives exploited this line of thinking as far as possible, to find witnesses to the scouting trips, or for a relative to finally remember talking about the bridge with someone's husband who seemed "interested in the area."

 

[Falling Down]

MOO this sounds right, as it is a strong possibility, BG is an "occasional visitor with family ties."
I hope detectives exploited this line of thinking as far as possible, to find witnesses to the scouting trips, or for a relative to finally remember talking about the bridge with someone's husband who seemed "interested in the area."

My hope is somebody already knows BG is in their life, or has a hunch they know the identity, and they call it in and contact LE.

Another 'hunch' I have is he will strike again, he hasn't been caught, which I'd imagine gives him a false sense of security and makes him more sure.

JMO

-FD

 

[PaulaDC]

has LE said that they have ruled out all the family members? usually, as insensitive as it may be, they can never do that. they also have to suspect close friends and associates, until they can completely rule them out.

Last I remember they said "most" but not all. Moo

 

[susiQ]

Last I remember they said "most" but not all. Moo

Here is the link to the PC regarding the Flora Fire in which DC is asked specifically if the family in the Delphi case have been cleared. I believe it's around the 18 min. mark or there about.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=336609003644240

 

[Cutiekitty]

I was reviewing and thinking about the April PC, yes...again. Two things...

It was stated by ISP that the family was only told the news contained in the PC a little bit before the conference started. When I was watching the conference the reporter mentioned seeing the Patty's leaving right befored the PC started. Reporter said they were very upset with BP crying, so it would seem they were told right there on site, that day.

My thought was why did the ISP inform the family in this way? ISP Carter even requested the media to give them 2 weeks of privacy. If there's that concern for them then why not tell them say the night before the PC in private at their home or at the police station, away from all media? It would have been kinder and made more sense considering LE's media request, don't you think?

The only reason that stands up and shouts is the ISP knew the family would recognise who that sketch was and couldn't tell them ahead of time to keep it secret because LE wanted the killer to not suspect the new strategy at all. They wanted him there at the conference and felt he would be there, because he'd been at the others, unless he felt a bad vibe from others. They couldn't tell the family until that day and at that place because killer is in a familiar circle with the family somehow.

The second thing was don't you think it was very personal and less generic to bring up religion in the way it was addressed? The ISP have seen with their own eyes and heard with their own ears the horrors the killer committed against two young girls. Yet they addressed this monster at one point like they thought, like they knew, he had religion in him, a bit a conscious left. It wasn't said as a stab in the dark, let's see IF this is relatable to him or his people. LE knew religion was a significant part of the killer's life, his family's life, because they know who he is, they know who his people are...I think it's going to turn out that the girl's families know him also. AJMO Thoughts?

I’ve had the exact same thoughts and questions.

As far as the family finding out before the PC I’m not sure what to think, but I definitely found it really weird. I’ve wondered if it was because it’s someone they know. I’ve also wondered if it’s because the family has been giving interviews to people on YouTube and LE wanted to control the release of the info for strategic reasons (similar to the reasons you outlined above). The interviews and debunking videos have been good for websleuths, but, IMO, they have actually hurt the case.

I found the religious references to be weird. Yes, the area is in the Bible Belt and the LE involved are Christians. Yes, religion has been brought up before in previous PCs, but it was more subtle. The religious references just seemed to be more pointed and purposeful in the April PC.

 

[BNA]

I’ve had the exact same thoughts and questions.

As far as the family finding out before the PC I’m not sure what to think, but I definitely found it really weird. I’ve wondered if it was because it’s someone they know. I’ve also wondered if it’s because the family has been giving interviews to people on YouTube and LE wanted to control the release of the info for strategic reasons (similar to the reasons you outlined above). The interviews and debunking videos have been good for websleuths, but, IMO, they have actually hurt the case.

I found the religious references to be weird. Yes, the area is in the Bible Belt and the LE involved are Christians. Yes, religion has been brought up before in previous PCs, but it was more subtle. The religious references just seemed to be more pointed and purposeful in the April PC.

Maybe the family was simply upset at hearing that a whole new strategy was underway, as some here have suggested. Or, as some have suggested, that it was possibly somebody they knew, which I feel is less likely.

However, my substantial gut tells me that it was something way more disconcerting than that.

Again, there just was not a big showing of LE/prosecutors that day. Something is up with that. DC stood there, in obvious distress, with the sheriff right behind him, and nobody else had his back that day. Nobody stood up for him. Nobody reinforced the message during that PC. It just ain't right, and it just ain't normal. JMO.

As Tobe said later, the town might be shocked when all is said and done. Something unconventional is in the mix. I am certain of that.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I’ve had the exact same thoughts and questions.

As far as the family finding out before the PC I’m not sure what to think, but I definitely found it really weird. I’ve wondered if it was because it’s someone they know. I’ve also wondered if it’s because the family has been giving interviews to people on YouTube and LE wanted to control the release of the info for strategic reasons (similar to the reasons you outlined above). The interviews and debunking videos have been good for websleuths, but, IMO, they have actually hurt the case.

I found the religious references to be weird. Yes, the area is in the Bible Belt and the LE involved are Christians. Yes, religion has been brought up before in previous PCs, but it was more subtle. The religious references just seemed to be more pointed and purposeful in the April PC.

One religious reference in the April PC struck me as odd at the time and still seems odd, especially since we all think the PC was carefully scripted and words carefully chosen. Carter mentions “The Shack” and evil, death, and eternity. He then says, and I quote “And I can assure you that how you left them in that woods is not....is not...what they are experiencing today”. Why would you feel that needed to be said? Do they think the killer is part of some religious group with very different ideas on eternity than the norm and LE was challenging him on that? I’m sure I’m probably over-thinking it, but it just seems weird in a carefully crafted PC, in a country where the vast majority are Christians, that you feel the need to say something like this.

 

[TheVisual]

I’ve had the exact same thoughts and questions.

As far as the family finding out before the PC I’m not sure what to think, but I definitely found it really weird. I’ve wondered if it was because it’s someone they know. I’ve also wondered if it’s because the family has been giving interviews to people on YouTube and LE wanted to control the release of the info for strategic reasons (similar to the reasons you outlined above). The interviews and debunking videos have been good for websleuths, but, IMO, they have actually hurt the case.

I found the religious references to be weird. Yes, the area is in the Bible Belt and the LE involved are Christians. Yes, religion has been brought up before in previous PCs, but it was more subtle. The religious references just seemed to be more pointed and purposeful in the April PC.

At the time I suspect that BP was probably undergoing treatment and maybe LE thought it better for her(healthwise) and the family to not be there and hounded by the press. Her illness may have been caused by the stress of all of this for the last 2 plus years. And then to find out that all the work that she has been doing to get BG's picture out there was in vain. Just would add to the stress. JMO

 

[JnRyan]

Here is the link to the PC regarding the Flora Fire in which DC is asked specifically if the family in the Delphi case have been cleared. I believe it's around the 18 min. mark or there about.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=336609003644240

He says the "vast majority" of Liberty and Abigail's family members have been cleared. Not all or 100%? Perhaps he is just being cautious in his estimate.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

So you got me curious. I read all the posts after and followed what other's said about Weichman Pig Company. There's one located in Delphi, just north of the trail and on the west side of Hoosier Heartland Hwy. There's also a Weichman Pig Company in La Porte, Iowa, which is about 14 miles south of Evansdale. There are many other locations (all off major highway systems), as well: http://wiechmanpig.com/stations.html

One difference between the cases is that in IA, the girls were transported to another location, where in IN they were not (unless the original intention was the get them to a vehicle parked at the cemetery, but plans changed).

The Indiana Packers plant has reviews on Google, and the truck drivers complain that they sit there for up to 10 hours waiting to load/unload. It's less than an hours walk to the trail from there, so I haven't completely dismissed that idea, either. A truck driver could be based anywhere between the two murder locations and have routine routes both directions. Just a few thoughts.

Today I have another thought, who BG might be: perhaps someone, who had a truck driver father, who took his boy/s with him during school holidays decades ago. So BG maybe not a truck driver himself, but has many experiences with being outdoors as a boy, having countless adventures, waiting for his dad being ready with unloading/loading at his workplace.
It would even make more sense, if there were two brothers, who had their adventures together, while dad fulfilled his duty.
MOO

 

[busymcmoody]

I watched a video a few days ago - a youtuber and his gf walked around the trails and the bridge. They were there for over five hours and only encountered one other person. It was a sunny, mild day. Makes you wonder how "random" these two girls were.

 

[Charlot123]

Directly contacting them can't hurt. If the German Baptists are Mennonites, their contact with the outside world can vary from 'little' to 'quite a bit' depending on the congregation.

My impression, however, is that even the 'quite a bit' ones may only know of the murders in general terms as even the ones that have television or the internet probably don't use them a lot.



As a side note, the Volga Germans included a lot of Catholic and Lutheran sponsored settlements. I think these two groups were the majority, with Mennonite type groups placing third.

The problem is, in the area of the Volga river, Dutch Mennonites and Germans settled close by. There was a difference between them, but the revolution erased it, as it was anti-religious. Afterwards, people were hiding their past.

 

[Charlot123]

Today I have another thought, who BG might be: perhaps someone, who had a truck driver father, who took his boy/s with him during school holidays decades ago. So BG maybe not a truck driver himself, but has many experiences with being outdoors as a boy, having countless adventures, waiting for his dad being ready with unloading/loading at his workplace.
It would even make more sense, if there were two brothers, who had their adventures together, while dad fulfilled his duty.
MOO

Two brothers involved is a possibility. A truck driver father is less likely.