Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #118

[tresir2012]

No, they didn't "allude to more than one person involved." They said it was possible.
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Everything was possible because they hadn't ruled anything out yet.
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It's nonsensical to focus on what local LE said before they had processed their evidence (and probably before they had the input of experienced FBI profilers).

We are allowed to put our own opinion into the mix here. Why are you so against a possible accomplice or second perp? LE have not ruled that out IMO. It could have been as simple as a relative or friend dropping and picking them up, knowing what had gone down.

 

[margarita25]

Fairly early news clip. Mentions swabbing as local and shows a good camera pan of the crime scene that you can see through the trees and catch a glimpse of the water.
Google Image Result for https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/96/2017/02/delphi-latest_37776480_ver1.0-1.png

Thanks for the link, PaulaDC.

More photos for crime scene photos for reference, also posted in media thread:

Video at link:
Police question multiple people in Delphi girls’ murders

Investigation of Indiana teens' murder enters 4th week; tips pour in, reward surges

Delphi victim's grandparents believe investigators will find killer

Delphi property owner: "I can't comprehend it"

Saying goodbye

 

[tresir2012]

They questioned and supposedly cleared all local RSO's I believe.

Quoting my own post too, ha ha, as it has occurred to me that maybe this is what they are going back to? They cleared some with alibi and/or lie detector IIRC.

 

[margarita25]

The second photo here shows the bridge from the creek:

Crime scene tape still up more than 2 weeks after Abby&Libby were murdered.Each day w/o an arrest police go back to search for clues #Delphi








8:55 AM · Feb 28, 2017

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[FrostedGlass]

Here are the coordinates for the shack:
Latitude: 40°35'24.67"N
Longitude: 86°38'4.74"W
Wide angle, arrow locations: Bottom center = house at the end of the private drive, left = end of bridge, down the hill, top left = cemetery, top right = RL's house, right hand side = shack

 

[stattlich1]

Each day w/o an arrest police go back to search for clues #Delphi

I agree with the notion that going back to the early days and weeks of the investigation is exactly what has been going on since the 4/22 presser, it's what I've been doing. I think therein lies the answer.

Somewhere in those early days LE was led down the wrong path. How did that happen?

The LE involved in this case early on had, and continue to have, extreme knowledge in these things. They formulated opinions and hypotheses early on. They expressed them, to the degree they felt comfortable.

It appears someone may have intentionally thrown them off track.

 

[margarita25]

Re: single or double perp, let’s all agree to disagree wooohoooo

 

[heartgoesout]

So we just have to deal with the posting problems? OT but it would be the right thing to do to let members know in a banner what is going on. (I'll have to delete this or it will post again)

 

[margarita25]

Alright, so here are a few bridge photos, you know just in case we can solve the crime by looking at the photos for the gazillionth time:

Bridge photos:

A 360 tour of the Monon High Bridge

Indiana trail grants include rehab of Delphi bridge where girls were killed

Grandfather of one of murdered Indiana teens: I know she fought killer

 

[rainwaterstill]

Totally random thought... are there any professions that not only require a thorough background check, but also DNA collection? I don’t know why, but I can’t shake the feeling that the perp is in a position of authority.

Military, including those who are accepted into the service academies: USNA, USMA, CGA, AFA.
Police records check done by the applicant's local PD, required to be fingerprinted at the local PD; blood sample, DNA sample taken. Those offered admission to a service academy receive a very large packet of forms to fill out. DNA sample is taken during I-day, R-day, Indoc Day, IIRC.

 

[stattlich1]

One thing I like about Bing maps is that the aerial views are often taken in winter with foliage off the trees. This is the case with Delphi, IN. If you search it out, that shed that folks have recently mentioned in this thread is easily visible at the bend in the creek.

Wonder if the little building has anything to do with the reference to "the shack" in the April presser.

Maps

 

[Ozoner]

I agree with the notion that going back to the early days and weeks of the investigation is exactly what has been going on since the 4/22 presser, it's what I've been doing. I think therein lies the answer.

Somewhere in those early days LE was led down the wrong path. How did that happen?

The LE involved in this case early on had, and continue to have, extreme knowledge in these things. They formulated opinions and hypotheses early on. They expressed them, to the degree they felt comfortable.

It appears someone may have intentionally thrown them off track.

Again, you're making claims that are totally unsupported by any evidence.
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That LE's efforts have not yet solved the case does not mean that LE was "led" by anyone, let alone that it was done deliberately. They likely made mistakes. They may have done what many of us did: they may have looked at the video of BG and thought that he looked like a middle-aged man. They may have then discounted the witness who provided the description of a younger perp used in the NBG sketch. Some witnesses may have provided very poor descriptions, either because their memories were faulty or because they were describing the wrong person.
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There's no evidence for your imaginary second perp, and there's no evidence for your imaginary mole.

 

[rainwaterstill]

I never thought of a bone marrow bank or database. However, I doubt LE can access those as this might be against HIPAA and other medical privacy laws.

They would probably need a court order for a specific person or persons bone marrow sample. In other words, they would need someone's name.

 

[tresir2012]

I thought LE even said they were going back to the beginning to check alibis or maybe I imagined that. If soo then take this as a MOO.

(ETA OT but the posting probs seem to be fixed now and only happening on PM's
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[tresir2012]

Delphi

I just came across this one link that has tons of indychannel article links in it.

 

[soylattesandsleuthing]

We are allowed to put our own opinion into the mix here. Why are you so against a possible accomplice or second perp? LE have not ruled that out IMO. It could have been as simple as a relative or friend dropping and picking them up, knowing what had gone down.

I also would like to add that after the girls were found, LE stated that they didn’t believe there was a threat to the Delphi community. That’s a pretty bold statement to make considering there is a killer on the loose, and it leads me to believe that LE believed this to be a targeted attack, and that one, or both, of the girls were the intended victims.

 

[MJPeony]

Ha! I quoted myself

I think this early presser is extremely important. I know cases evolve, they are fluid, etc. But it's revealing what some of the comments were just one week after the murders.

It's like taking a multiple choice test in school, they always said, go with your first gut answer if you're not sure.

The above quotes are answers to questions posed after the presser. At that time, it's pretty clear to me, they didn't think this murder was a chance encounter, meaning, they had reason to believe the murderer was there that day, AND the girls were they that day, for a reason.

At that time they did NOT think it a serial murder situation.

Lastly, they alluded to more than one person involved.

And they said in most recent presser that they were “on to something early on”.

I’m on the fence as to a second person involved. But I totally agree that LE’s comments from early on should not be discounted just because the investigation was new.


MOO

 

[JnRyan]

Well, many, many years ago I volunteered to be the member of bone marrow bank. I assume in that bank, they have if not the DNA, then at least HLA system.

I never thought of a bone marrow bank or database. However, I doubt LE can access those as this might be against HIPAA and other medical privacy laws.

Military, including those who are accepted into the service academies: USNA, USMA, CGA, AFA.
Police records check done by the applicant's local PD, required to be fingerprinted at the local PD; blood sample, DNA sample taken. Those offered admission to a service academy receive a very large packet of forms to fill out. DNA sample is taken during I-day, R-day, Indoc Day, IIRC.

I wonder about the DNA collected in the military. There was a plane crash in Canada decades ago and the US military members (USAF? can't remember) killed in the crash were carrying their medical and dental records since they'd been overseas. Identification of the bodies was extremely difficult as the military didn't have dental records since they were destroyed in the crash. After that a separate set of X-rays was taken and was retained separately from the dental records. Years later when DNA technology had advanced enough, DoD had DNA swabs taken. But we were told this medical info and therefore not like our fingerprints. IOW, it wasn't going to be made available like fingerprints. In light of the events of recent years I wonder if that has changed or DoD has changed their stance. But, hey, it wouldn't be the first time DoD promised us something and then developed selective amnesia. Some records such as the personnel jacket are archived (St. Louis?), but I don't know about medical and dental as we were advised to make copies of anything we wanted to have access to just before leaving the service.

 

[Moonracer]

Do any of you think the sketch situation could be because he wore a life like mask walking towards the girls in the video Liberty took and then law enforcement discovered that a previously discounted witness saw the cowards real face leaving the scene after he had taken his disguise off?

The main problem I have with this theory is I would think law enforcement would be seeking information about where the mask was sold. I wish we knew what the situation with the sketches was.

If Libby saw him and realized it was a mask, that would certainly have been a reason she started videoing him.

 

[Ozoner]

I also would like to add that after the girls were found, LE stated that they didn’t believe there was a threat to the Delphi community. That’s a pretty bold statement to make considering there is a killer on the loose, and it leads me to believe that LE believed this to be a targeted attack, and that one, or both, of the girls were the intended victims.

The majority of murders are targeted, so that may have been their default assumption. They also put billboards all over the country, so they apparently wanted badly to believe that BG wasn't a local. Two-and-a-half years of investigation has changed things.