Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #121

[Charlot123]

Double post

 

[Inali]

Can anyone provide a list of large public events in Delphi - festivals, etc.?

 

[rosesfromangels]

Can anyone provide a list of large public events in Delphi - festivals, etc.?

Ooohhhh....good question Black Fox!

 

[MistyWaters]

The Pharos Tribune photographer was on the ground photographing searchers, not in the helicopter. So though his report is to be taken with a grain of salt, he apparently was close enough to make a determination of the type of clothing in the river.

Right you are, not sure why I imagined the reporter who viewed what he claimed was girls’ clothing was in a helicopter at the time, other than he says he was 75 yards away.

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Found Deceased - IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 - #31

ETA - A few public Twitter photos from Feb 14/15th, 2017 by the same photographer, if anyone is interested.
J. Kyle Keener (@PharosJKK) | Twitter

 

[crhedBngr]

Being from a not very agricultural area I'm just curious, would that type of thing being going on during the Winter months?

Yes. From what I've seen, many farmers bring their machinery into storage areas to protect it from the elements. Repairs can then be done inside.

When I reposed my story about the two murders in my small town, the farm machinery repair man committed one of the murders in winter.

We drove by the body; she was just lying there in the driveway. There was snow on the ground; LE matched his footprints to his footwear when building their case against him.

 

[JnRyan]

Can anyone provide a list of large public events in Delphi - festivals, etc.?

Carroll County's web page on festivals: Carroll County Chamber - Tourism

I don't know what the attendance is like at any of these events, though.

 

[Pavelsky]

1. I think since crossing the creek was for privacy that he re-crossed the creek after he was finished committing the crime and walked directly south to the road that leads back to the meat factory.
2. It seems unlikely as he has not been caught yet.
3. No, I think it is unlikely because that assumes the sketches are a big help and I do not think they are helping. I do not think anyone knows who the killer is except for the killer. But someday Liberty German's video may help jog someone's memory.
4. Absolutely not if he is a truck driver, in my opinion.
5. Profiler John Douglas said it best: "You just don't wake up one morning and decide to commit double homicide." I think he has probably killed before and the fact that two girls were taken in Evansdale, Iowa is concerning in that regard.
6. Refer to answer 5.
7. No, I do not think he knew them or else at some point in the recording I think Libby would have said his name to help police.
8. I do not believe he is local to Delphi so no. In terms of his own community, that is speculation that does not matter to me. Killers comes from all walks of life.
9. I think he travels a lot like a truck driver and has gotten to know hiking trails and forest preserves well.
10. Yes
11. No
12. No

I think this was random, wrong place, do not believe Abby or Libby expected nor encouraged any one to meet them on that bridge! This was a true crime of opportunity and these young victims had no idea what was about to happen to them when they ventured out on a carefree day off from school to capture pics as they enjoyed their day off! The person who ended their innocent lives did so in a short amount of time which makes me believe this is not his first nor his last attack! He has a history, a DNA , we will get him!

 

[BNA]

Since it seems to be LEs hunch that, when this is solved, folks are gonna say: "Yeah. That makes sense"....that seems to rule out SK, imho.

I just do not see SK making sense to anybody. Ever.

We quite likely all are on the wrong track, is what I am saying.

 

[ab01]

Not necessarily agricultural machinery, but one of Agatha Christie’s types who are so close you can hear them, but don’t notice them.

I remember the mailman and the local constable.

And the real SK in Australia- the Telstra driver, the so-called “Claremont killer”.

So we can make a list (I would add avid photographers to it because the camera obscures one’s face) of the people who are “around, but not noticeable”.

Is the BG from that group? I don’t know, but it is logical.

Another group these days - people who sell you cellphones or computers. There are quite a few outlets around, and the people working there are nice, but I shall never remember their faces because I look at their goods.

Any profession in which the vendor has to look at you and persuade you to buy the stuff (as it is expensive), like cars or jewelry, or even clothes, I shall remember better.

I’d say if there is a big warehouse-type store, like Costco or BJ club, or even farmers technology sold in a warehouse...these workers would be constantly around, yet invisible.

ETA: as everyone thinks he is a hunter and a fisherman, I wonder if he has a hunter’s/fisherman’s store, or even a gun shop. Nothing against guns, I merely think he is a gun/knives collector, and a store allows you to keep your collection out of the house, and make money on what you collect.

yep you could probably make a list of hundreds of different possible occupations that would bring individuals to the general vicinity.

 

[ab01]

One thing I have always been interested in is if investigators were able to get a cell tower dump from the time in question on that day? Now obviously even if they did it may not have told them much, burner phone, BG actually being local etc. But if there were a few hits from people that had no reason to be in the area at that time it would be very interesting. Obviously wouldn’t be hard evidence, but more of a clue to investigate someone further. I still can’t shake the feeling that someone either purposely or inadvertently provided BG with a false alibi for the time in question and LE hasn’t realized it yet.

 

[Marzipan]

Yes. From what I've seen, many farmers bring their machinery into storage areas to protect it from the elements. Repairs can then be done inside.

When I reposed my story about the two murders in my small town, the farm machinery repair man committed one of the murders in winter.

We drove by the body; she was just lying there in the driveway. There was snow on the ground; LE matched his footprints to his footwear when building their case against him.

And again I’m reminded about footprints, which LE must have for the BG. From prints they know shoe size and maybe exact shoe, at least shoe and sole type, maybe brand, maybe any injuries or oddities, and probably lots more.
Why not release? If the goal of the sketch and the pleas is to get family members to realize someone they suspect but are in denial of suspecting really may be the BG, shoe info could help.
I can’t imagine false confessions would result. Perhaps false accusations, but that train already left the station.
What don’t I understand about why they can’t release basic shoe size and type?

 

[steeltowngirl]

Since it seems to be LEs hunch that, when this is solved, folks are gonna say: "Yeah. That makes sense"....that seems to rule out SK, imho.

I just do not see SK making sense to anybody. Ever.

We quite likely all are on the wrong track, is what I am saying.

I tend to agree with you. IMO, BG had some connection to one or both girls. I cannot fathom that this was a random encounter with a stranger who just happened to be on the trail that day, and had never known of the girls before. The ONLY way I would buy that would be if BG was a lunatic / psychopath / serial killer in the making.

I keep coming back to the cases of Jayme Closs and Alicia Kozakiewicz. A pervert set his sights on one of the girls. In Jayme’s case, there was a connection, she just didn’t know it (bus stop). Alicia was met online.

LE has indicated BG is local or familiar with the area. Someone connected to the girls, maybe casually. Someone the girls knew personally, or in an authority position. Someone who felt potential humiliation at their hands. Or uncontrolled lust, or even spite (incel).

The longer the case drags on, the more I believe the likely answer will be simple and basic. Murdered by someone they knew or had been in contact with online. IMO

 

[Thelastleg]

Dbm

 

[Charlot123]

I tend to agree with you. IMO, BG had some connection to one or both girls. I cannot fathom that this was a random encounter with a stranger who just happened to be on the trail that day, and had never known of the girls before. The ONLY way I would buy that would be if BG was a lunatic / psychopath / serial killer in the making.

I keep coming back to the cases of Jayme Closs and Alicia Kozakiewicz. A pervert set his sights on one of the girls. In Jayme’s case, there was a connection, she just didn’t know it (bus stop). Alicia was met online.

LE has indicated BG is local or familiar with the area. Someone connected to the girls, maybe casually. Someone the girls knew personally, or in an authority position. Someone who felt potential humiliation at their hands. Or uncontrolled lust, or even spite (incel).

The longer the case drags on, the more I believe the likely answer will be simple and basic. Murdered by someone they knew or had been in contact with online. IMO

Makes total sense.

And maybe why this case is still not resolved also has a very basic, simple, explanation.

 

[Charlot123]

And again I’m reminded about footprints, which LE must have for the BG. From prints they know shoe size and maybe exact shoe, at least shoe and sole type, maybe brand, maybe any injuries or oddities, and probably lots more.
Why not release? If the goal of the sketch and the pleas is to get family members to realize someone they suspect but are in denial of suspecting really may be the BG, shoe info could help.
I can’t imagine false confessions would result. Perhaps false accusations, but that train already left the station.
What don’t I understand about why they can’t release basic shoe size and type?

I see nothing wrong coming out of it. They released sketches that led to plenty of absolutely marginal people being accused. They don’t care, in a way. Or didn’t think ahead.

But a shoe print could have exonerated someone who is on the local POI list.

Either it is typical attitude of the police in general, and we simply don’t know how they work, or something else is at stake here.

 

[Charlot123]

Carroll County's web page on festivals: Carroll County Chamber - Tourism

I don't know what the attendance is like at any of these events, though.

It would be interesting to look at such a list of 2017, maybe someone’s alibi depends on “attended an auction” on that day. And in general, to see if there were any events in CC on February 23, 2017.

But you know, @JnRyan, I found an interesting thing even on your page.

Board of aviation.

I never knew that Delphi had own municipal airport. I understand it serves private planes, but why did I never consider private pilots? And that historically, farmland and aviation were tied?

Tell me it is my wild imagination that includes a private plane into a potential escape route.

 

[Ozoner]

I tend to agree with you. IMO, BG had some connection to one or both girls. I cannot fathom that this was a random encounter with a stranger who just happened to be on the trail that day, and had never known of the girls before. The ONLY way I would buy that would be if BG was a lunatic / psychopath / serial killer in the making.

I keep coming back to the cases of Jayme Closs and Alicia Kozakiewicz. A pervert set his sights on one of the girls. In Jayme’s case, there was a connection, she just didn’t know it (bus stop). Alicia was met online.

LE has indicated BG is local or familiar with the area. Someone connected to the girls, maybe casually. Someone the girls knew personally, or in an authority position. Someone who felt potential humiliation at their hands. Or uncontrolled lust, or even spite (incel).

The longer the case drags on, the more I believe the likely answer will be simple and basic. Murdered by someone they knew or had been in contact with online. IMO

I can't agree with your logic. If the girls had had prior contact with BG, that would have made the case easier to solve.
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That it hasn't been solved argued against prior contact.

 

[ab01]

I can't agree with your logic. If the girls had had prior contact with BG, that would have made the case easier to solve.
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That it hasn't been solved argued against prior contact.

I agree, it’s almost certain that the girls had no idea who BG was. All they knew was that some creeper was following them.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I can't agree with your logic. If the girls had had prior contact with BG, that would have made the case easier to solve.
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That it hasn't been solved argued against prior contact.

Prior connection doesn’t necessarily require contact. Consider the Jayme Closs case.

 

[ab01]

Prior connection doesn’t necessarily require contact. Consider the Jayme Closs case.

A prior connection such as in the JC case yields no evidence to help solve a particular crime. There was no way to prove it other than the attackers own words. PP was a stranger to JC in every sense of the word. I believe in this case the girls didn’t have any idea who BG was either. I’m more concerned with a type of connection that would yield evidence, I don’t believe there is any in this case.