Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #122

Status
Not open for further replies.
  • #901
I don't think u tb is an allowed source as i posted a video from there awhile back and it was removed.

Depends on the specific youtube. Members can just use the Report feature on any post and ask a question, provide a link, and a Mod or Admin will get back to them to let them know if it is approved or not.
 
  • #902
As far as the voice and the suspect captured by video on the bridge by Libby, LE believe it’s the same person.

BBM

“The new audio clip is a slightly extended version of the original, which was released days after the girls were murdered and includes the word "Guys" followed by "Down the Hill."

"Please keep in mind that the person talking is one person and is the person on the bridge with the girls" Carter said. "This is not two people speaking. Please listen to it very, very carefully."
Delphi Murders: ISP says new audio, video and sketch shows Libby & Abby’s killer
Yes I do know that's what ISP Carter stressed at the April 2019 press conference. I believe the person I replied to was saying LE had stated only one killer was involved. I was just pointing out that the Carroll CountySheriff at some point had also stated they were not positive only one person was involved in the killings.
 
  • #903
Yes I do know that's what ISP Carter stressed at the April 2019 press conference. I believe the person I replied to was saying LE had stated only one killer was involved. I was just pointing out that the Carroll CountySheriff at some point had also stated they were not positive only one person was involved in the killings.

If there's one thing that's frustrated me about this case as an observer and arm chair sleuth, it's LE's inconsistencies and backtracking.

JMO
 
  • #904
No official timeline has been released, but people can kind of deduce what the general time frame is, from when he spotted the girls (my theory) through to when he left the woods. One major consideration are the distances involved, this killer went through an awful lot of trouble to carry out the murders. Yet it still fits within a tight time frame.

MOO on this:

1:37-1:40 PM, he spots them being dropped off or sees them shortly thereafter. A witness states they saw BG on the main trail, just west of where the girls were dropped off. I'm picturing BG loitering/lurking right in that area. This is roughly where the Gerard Trail and the main trail meet. I think he was some short distance west of that trail head for the simple fact that he would have been obscured from both C.R. 300 and the tiny parking area which was off of C.R. 300, where the girls were dropped off.

1:40 PM and for some time thereafter, he loiters, watching the girls disappear down the trail, around the bend in the trail which leads to a straight section between the bend and the northwest (NW) approach to the bridge. He figures they're alone, they're juveniles so they don't have a vehicle with them, and he thinks about and fantasizes about any number of other things which will enable him to carry out his fantasy, and what the aftermath might be like.

He combines this thought process with his preparation for the murders, which could include any number of things. We don't know if he changed his appearance some at this point, loaded up on whatever ended up under the outer jacket, etc., but I imagine the guy had to do some prep right before he set the wheels in motion to carry out his fantasy.

At some point or perhaps through this entire time up to the point where he steps on the bridge, he's monitoring what the girls are up to.

2:07 PM Libby uploads the image of Abby to SnapChat. Now what time it was taken is anyone's guess, but my hunch is that by 2:15 or so they were most of the way across the bridge. I'm of the opinion the abduction happened around 2:20 PM.

2:40 they were probably deceased or dying, as he was preparing to leave the area.

So in roughly one hour, much of it taken up by some preparation on his part, waiting for the girls to cross the bridge, walking the trail, walking the bridge, etc., he stalked and then murdered the girls, and prepared for his exit from the CS and the woods, maybe doing who-knows-what at the CS.

Very tight time frame, in my opinion. From abduction to time-of-death could be 20 minutes or thereabouts.

JMO
Yes, that sounds about right. A very short time frame! Not to mention a short time to escape.
 
  • #905
No official timeline has been released, but people can kind of deduce what the general time frame is, from when he spotted the girls (my theory) through to when he left the woods. One major consideration are the distances involved, this killer went through an awful lot of trouble to carry out the murders. Yet it still fits within a tight time frame.

MOO on this:

1:37-1:40 PM, he spots them being dropped off or sees them shortly thereafter. A witness states they saw BG on the main trail, just west of where the girls were dropped off. I'm picturing BG loitering/lurking right in that area. This is roughly where the Gerard Trail and the main trail meet. I think he was some short distance west of that trail head for the simple fact that he would have been obscured from both C.R. 300 and the tiny parking area which was off of C.R. 300, where the girls were dropped off.

1:40 PM and for some time thereafter, he loiters, watching the girls disappear down the trail, around the bend in the trail which leads to a straight section between the bend and the northwest (NW) approach to the bridge. He figures they're alone, they're juveniles so they don't have a vehicle with them, and he thinks about and fantasizes about any number of other things which will enable him to carry out his fantasy, and what the aftermath might be like.

He combines this thought process with his preparation for the murders, which could include any number of things. We don't know if he changed his appearance some at this point, loaded up on whatever ended up under the outer jacket, etc., but I imagine the guy had to do some prep right before he set the wheels in motion to carry out his fantasy.

At some point or perhaps through this entire time up to the point where he steps on the bridge, he's monitoring what the girls are up to.

2:07 PM Libby uploads the image of Abby to SnapChat. Now what time it was taken is anyone's guess, but my hunch is that by 2:15 or so they were most of the way across the bridge. I'm of the opinion the abduction happened around 2:20 PM.

2:40 they were probably deceased or dying, as he was preparing to leave the area.

So in roughly one hour, much of it taken up by some preparation on his part, waiting for the girls to cross the bridge, walking the trail, walking the bridge, etc., he stalked and then murdered the girls, and prepared for his exit from the CS and the woods, maybe doing who-knows-what at the CS.

Very tight time frame, in my opinion. From abduction to time-of-death could be 20 minutes or thereabouts.

JMO

I tend to believe this time frame. What has caused me doubts with it, though, is the latest "True Crime Garage" podcast discussion. In the podcast, the host states that LE (Carroll County Sheriff?) says the crime was not recorded. (I don't believe he provides a reference.) Then he goes on to point out that with an iPhone if a call comes through the video is ended. He asks the rhetorical question that if Liberty's father calls at 3:11 PM could this have been when the recording ended. If he has a valid point it puts the time of death at about 3:11 or later and the killer leaving the CS at about 3:15 to 3:30. What I don't know is how long will an iPhone continue to record before it stops? Liberty would have probably started it around 2:15-2:20. Would it continue to run on record for 20-30 minutes without any action by the holder? Barring the charge running down I have no idea how an iPhone would continue to run without any further action by the holder.
 
  • #906
What kind of power is enough power? Really!

michael jackson, epstein and weinstien whoever steins where arrested. Like come on a small town like that and police are talking bout power, all their doing is promoting how this man is walking free and theyre too weak.

I don’t remember what happened to Michael Jackson; I think he died in own bed, so to say.
Weinstein and especially Epstein were political animals whose openly predatory behavior was tolerated for decades.

I don’t know who the guy is and how come he is so powerful.

But to me, the aura I get is not that of the three mega-pedophiles you have mentioned.

BG seems to have stepped out straight from the Gothic times; he is someone akin to Count Dracula, Vlad the Impaler, or some werewolf living in dark forests and preying on young peasant girls.

Usually such stories end up with the locals saying, enough is enough, and cutting an aspen stake, and forging silver arrows.

But in Delphi, the locals are too meek.
 
  • #907
I tend to believe this time frame. What has caused me doubts with it, though, is the latest "True Crime Garage" podcast discussion. In the podcast, the host states that LE (Carroll County Sheriff?) says the crime was not recorded. (I don't believe he provides a reference.) Then he goes on to point out that with an iPhone if a call comes through the video is ended. He asks the rhetorical question that if Liberty's father calls at 3:11 PM could this have been when the recording ended. If he has a valid point it puts the time of death at about 3:11 or later and the killer leaving the CS at about 3:15 to 3:30. What I don't know is how long will an iPhone continue to record before it stops? Liberty would have probably started it around 2:15-2:20. Would it continue to run on record for 20-30 minutes without any action by the holder? Barring the charge running down I have no idea how an iPhone would continue to run without any further action by the holder.

Good questions.

I understand the phone was found at the CS, and judging by a recent interview involving a LEO from ISP the phone was on the ground. No indication was given as to what condition the phone was in, something I've wondered about.

JMO
 
  • #908
I’ll go thru the media thread tomorrow (well... I guess it will be much later today actually) and create a list of direct quotes made by LE with the date/times quoted. I’ll also try to include the quotes made by Robert Ives (the prosecuting attorney in Carroll County in February 2017) on the DTH podcast.
 
  • #909
Who is "him?"

The county sheriff, TL. You can look up “Delphi murders 2020 - interview reveals...” on YouTube. TL has quite a few videos.

“this was solely related, or isolated, if you will, to the individuals involved”, the sheriff said in this video.
 
Last edited:
  • #910
I read 'elsewhere' that one of the young woman witnesses also said she said 'hi' to BG and got scary vibes or similar.
I didn't see that. I was just speculating, that if Libby and Abby found the guy creepy, some other female felt the same way at some point.
 
  • #911
The county sheriff, TL. You can look up “Delphi murders 2020 - interview reveals...” on YouTube. TL has quite a few videos.

“this was solely related, or isolated, if you will, to the individuals involved”, the sheriff said in this video.
bbm
Verrry interesting! I didn't know.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
  • #912
Yes, that sounds about right. A very short time frame! Not to mention a short time to escape.
Did BG have planned his crime to be over in such a short time frame or did he have planned, to hide the girls and return to them for further measures? I'm not believing anymore, what LE says. And btw: where is the TWIST in the story? Allegedly there was one.
 
  • #913
Delete
 
  • #914
Did BG have planned his crime to be over in such a short time frame or did he have planned, to hide the girls and return to them for further measures? I'm not believing anymore, what LE says. And btw: where is the TWIST in the story? Allegedly there was one.

I've wondered about the use of the word "twist" in the context of the case, LE have used it with regards to the CS. Why is anyone's guess.

Could be the MOD, as a message to the killer. Who knows?

JMO
 
  • #915
The whole sketch thing with sketch #1 and sketch #2, OBG and YBG:
Perhaps LE saw the YBG sketch from one witness and thought/said: This man is clearly portrayed (almost like a perfect photo), but he is well-known to the public and a nice harmless guy, therefore 100% can't be him. We will talk to him for the sake of complaint and we will see: he has an plausible explanation, why he was seen by a witness. After that let us take the other one of the sketches (OBG), which seems to make much more sense. After all, this person was seen by some witnesses also, so can't be an 100% wrong attempt to find the killer. Maybe, he is the accomplice/participant, then we would get at least one half of the duo. Makes sense enough, to search for the OBG.
In 2019 LE had the contrary in mind, suddenly, after their experiences/observations in the meantime. Maybe, the nice young harmless man with plausible alibi had asked too many or the wrong questions.
IMO MOO and so on
 
  • #916
Nope nope nope

Do not for one second believe LE has any clue who this monster is.

IMO this was an opportunistic sexually motivated attack by a stranger. Which makes it all the harder to solve. I believe they have DNA but no match. I believe this case will be solved when someone related to BG gets their DNA in the system. All moo
A "local" is not a "stranger", that's the problem here. Doesn't fit quite well, IMO.
 
  • #917
Everyone Seems to have People in mind of who killed the Girls . That's why I believe fresh eyes would be amazing. I have seen many different types of options. What frustrates me is there is more evidence than we know. I really don't think this is a cold case. I personally believe that this is a tangled web of hidden secrets . I Just don't understand why they haven't gotten specialist in flieds trained to find that 1 piece of the puzzle. As the police say. I get frustrated and believe that Some other agency should look into the case. The Girls deserve Justice and the family deserves closer and Justice. I just want to see Justice. I have been benge watching news and Interviews and researching the case. I have not formed a opinion other than . Maybe some fresh eyes from some other agency might bring Justice and closer.
GA police was involved already. Nobdy knows, why at all.
 
  • #918
No official timeline has been released, but people can kind of deduce what the general time frame is, from when he spotted the girls (my theory) through to when he left the woods. One major consideration are the distances involved, this killer went through an awful lot of trouble to carry out the murders. Yet it still fits within a tight time frame.

MOO on this:

1:37-1:40 PM, he spots them being dropped off or sees them shortly thereafter. A witness states they saw BG on the main trail, just west of where the girls were dropped off. I'm picturing BG loitering/lurking right in that area. This is roughly where the Gerard Trail and the main trail meet. I think he was some short distance west of that trail head for the simple fact that he would have been obscured from both C.R. 300 and the tiny parking area which was off of C.R. 300, where the girls were dropped off.

1:40 PM and for some time thereafter, he loiters, watching the girls disappear down the trail, around the bend in the trail which leads to a straight section between the bend and the northwest (NW) approach to the bridge. He figures they're alone, they're juveniles so they don't have a vehicle with them, and he thinks about and fantasizes about any number of other things which will enable him to carry out his fantasy, and what the aftermath might be like.

He combines this thought process with his preparation for the murders, which could include any number of things. We don't know if he changed his appearance some at this point, loaded up on whatever ended up under the outer jacket, etc., but I imagine the guy had to do some prep right before he set the wheels in motion to carry out his fantasy.

At some point or perhaps through this entire time up to the point where he steps on the bridge, he's monitoring what the girls are up to.

2:07 PM Libby uploads the image of Abby to SnapChat. Now what time it was taken is anyone's guess, but my hunch is that by 2:15 or so they were most of the way across the bridge. I'm of the opinion the abduction happened around 2:20 PM.

2:40 they were probably deceased or dying, as he was preparing to leave the area.

So in roughly one hour, much of it taken up by some preparation on his part, waiting for the girls to cross the bridge, walking the trail, walking the bridge, etc., he stalked and then murdered the girls, and prepared for his exit from the CS and the woods, maybe doing who-knows-what at the CS.

Very tight time frame, in my opinion. From abduction to time-of-death could be 20 minutes or thereabouts.

JMO

The beginning of your theory (BG lingering near the trailhead watching who may come and go) matches what I'm thinking. In your timeline, what's the time you think he walks away from the crime scene to make his exit?
 
  • #919
So many of the early reports are no longer available to link. But I always thought the comments from Delphi police Chief were interesting.

. "I think people in the community are smart enough in our community to draw their own conclusions about what they should feel and shouldn't feel," Delphi Police Chief Steve Mullins said. "Our people are very smart. We have a very good community and they are very strong. And they are able to draw their own conclusions about this whole situation very successfully

2 bodies found during search for teen girls
 
  • #920
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
137
Guests online
2,408
Total visitors
2,545

Forum statistics

Threads
632,088
Messages
18,621,886
Members
243,017
Latest member
mgr91950
Back
Top