Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #122

[Charlot123]

Is this referring to the Delphi case? If so, I totally missed this info. I wonder if this had something to do with the phone reset.

No, it is just my opinion. There is something not matching together in this story. Even in a his guy, BG. I do believe that Libby somehow got to know some private, damning information. Nothing else could explain the anger towards her.

 

[Charlot123]

You remind me of Columbo. I definitely hadn't looked long or hard at that guy's feet/shoes. But that's a darn great thing to notice. Thank you. Could he have just changed his shoes?

Thank you. It is all his gait, in one frame you can see the shoe well.

Of course he could have changed the shoes. But where? At the trails? Or in the car? Or in his house? Or he could have changed them in the car?

But if the shoes are like from IP, again, I don’t think he walked from IP in them. For the same reason, the soil... they’d be dirty. Could he use IP shoes for the crime? Yes.

My feeling is, there was either his car close by, maybe in the private drive. Or his house nearby.

JMO. I maybe totally wrong about Indiana soil in mid-winter.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Thank you. It is all his gait, in one frame you can see the shoe well.

Of course he could have changed the shoes. But where? At the trails? Or in the car? Or in his house? Or he could have changed them in the car?

But if the shoes are like from IP, again, I don’t think he walked from IP in them. For the same reason, the soil... they’d be dirty. Could he use IP shoes for the crime? Yes.

My feeling is, there was either his car close by, maybe in the private drive. Or his house nearby.

JMO. I maybe totally wrong about Indiana soil in mid-winter.

I think, IP shoes are not that thin-soled (because they are rubber boots). IMO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

She got into some secrets, hence so much anger against her. And how would an internet-savvy kid get the information? By crawling on the Internet.

You are right, it took summer of 2017 for the tensions to erupt. And most of the (open previously) publications and sources of the information sank into Deep Web much later in the year. But - groups and, most important, lists of participants - they were probably on the Dark Web from the getgo?

It is just one possibility. I am thinking of any potentially damaging, very personal, compromising information on an inhabitant of Delphi who had a good standing and probable future political plans. Something that could ruin a career.

Another option - evidence of embezzlement or theft.

Drugs? Arson?

 

[California Sunset]

Thank you. It is all his gait, in one frame you can see the shoe well.

Of course he could have changed the shoes. But where? At the trails? Or in the car? Or in his house? Or he could have changed them in the car?

But if the shoes are like from IP, again, I don’t think he walked from IP in them. For the same reason, the soil... they’d be dirty. Could he use IP shoes for the crime? Yes.

My feeling is, there was either his car close by, maybe in the private drive. Or his house nearby.

JMO. I maybe totally wrong about Indiana soil in mid-winter.

Do you realize you may be onto something? Sometimes you recognize a person not by their looks but by their mannerisms, their body language. I'm a military veteran, I was in uniform, and someone driving by recognized me by my walk. (I asked my husband what's wrong with the way I walk?)
But I was watching some guy one day in a store, the clerk was on the phone, I was waiting for her, and then I realized the guy was someone I knew. He didn't look a thing like he did 20 years earlier, but it was his mannerisms.
You watch his feet, and his body language and see what you can gather from it. People have 'quirks', habits unique to them. Things they do without realizing it.
Just like when someone is lying. Have you ever watched someone when you know they're lying? Some people are really good at it, some people are obvious. This one person would lie to me, and it was so darn frustrating. Then I noticed something. When she was lying, she'd bite her lip. Sort of chew on it. She'd get this shifty expression on her face. She was so darn obvious, I wanted to kick myself because it took me so long to notice it.
If you get in the habit of watching people when they talk, you can figure out often enough mostly who's lying and who you have doubts about, and in those cases, they talk more, you can figure out more. Good luck. Best Wishes.

 

[MistyWaters]

I tend to agree!

Yes, I can think of a few reasons why LE would definitely prefer the public and particularly the area in and around Delphi to take comfort in concluding they know who the killer is, just not enough evidence to lay charges.

Primary reason, even without an arrest LE is in the “good guys” slot for solving the crime, as opposed to the community at large expressing frustration and dissatisfaction, even questioning their competency, due to lack of an arrest.

That LE “knows” without an arrest, can never be proven wrong. Time will tell.

 

[IceIce9]

If Libby or Abby didn't say something to someone, maybe another girl did. Someone should listen to what she has to say. They aren't the only two that thought the guy was creepy.

Listen to what whom has to say?

Sorry I missed who “she” is?

 

[California Sunset]

Listen to what whom has to say?

Sorry I missed who “she” is?

Post #648 and #653 were meant to be together. Your question is who 'she' is?
If Libby or Abby didn't say something to someone, maybe another girl did. Someone should listen to what she has to say. They aren't the only two that thought the guy was creepy. She=another girl. I should have said, IMO, I think that if Libby and/or Abby thought the guy was creepy, some other girl may have felt the same way. That's all.

 

[HOPE770145]

The two sketches have remained a mystery. We don’t know why they are so different or why they changed.

We know the second sketch was actually drawn shortly after the murder based on eye witness account.

They say the two sketches are not the same person, they say sketch 1 no longer of interest. Sketch 2 is BG and is the killer.

It’s all very “sketchy”

Moo

I thought it was because someone saw them on the trail, as there were witnesses. The first sketch was based on the video and second was based on

What.....?

I am confident this case will be solved soon.

 

[Jax49]

What.....?

I have the same question...guess we may not get an answer from the OP. moo

 

[MistyWaters]

I thought it was because someone saw them on the trail, as there were witnesses. The first sketch was based on the video and second was based on


I am confident this case will be solved soon.

I’m not sure what’s the source of your facts but MSM reported the first sketch was based on a witness sighting when it was released July/17.

“Leazenby said he cannot discuss where the witness saw the unidentified man, who authorities consider the main suspect in the slayings of 14-year-old Liberty German and 13-year-old Abigail Williams. He said the witness saw the man around the time the girls were killed.”
Witness aided in sketch of suspect in Indiana teens’ deaths

 

[HOPE770145]

I’m not sure what’s the source of your facts but MSM reported the first sketch was based on a witness sighting when it was released July/17.

“Leazenby said he cannot discuss where the witness saw the unidentified man, who authorities consider the main suspect in the slayings of 14-year-old Liberty German and 13-year-old Abigail Williams. He said the witness saw the man around the time the girls were killed.”
Witness aided in sketch of suspect in Indiana teens’ deaths

Inside edition video with LE I posted it for you last time. Did you watch it?

 

[Charlot123]

Drugs? Arson?

Arson, maybe...

 

[MistyWaters]

Inside edition video with LE I posted it for you last time. Did you watch it?

There is only one version of the truth. The release of July/17 sketch with the witness declaring “not blue eyes” was discussed to great length on these threads. Unless we’re not to believe what LE is quoted as saying....if facts morph over time.

 

[HOPE770145]

There is only one version of the truth. The release of July/17 sketch with the witness declaring “not blue eyes” was discussed to great length on these threads. Unless we’re not to believe what LE is quoted as saying....if facts morph over time.

I never mentioned blue eyes

 

[sunshineray]

There's a big difference between figuring out what happened and making a case convincing enough to get a jury to convict. And good LE know that what they think they know might turn out not to be true, so they won't say anything more than generalities until they have that evidence.

If that article that was posted in two screenshots just recently is made from fresh statements in 2020 and not a rehash of older statements said in the first year after murders...then this quote, "Mistakes may have been made early on in a rush to get a resolution to this.", Leazenby said. "It could be that just the right question was not asked or a nerve was not touched by a question to help us figure out who did this.", takes on a very important meaning in where the LE finds themselves right now. Missed opportunities left them knowing but without the means to charge and prosecute the killer(s). AJMO, this is what I hear when reading that.

 

[kkdj]

I never mentioned blue eyes

Correct.
I've had questions since LE put out the new sketch.
Are we still looking for not blue eyes?
Are we still looking for reddish brown hair?

 

[sunshineray]

No, it is just my opinion. There is something not matching together in this story. Even in a his guy, BG. I do believe that Libby somehow got to know some private, damning information. Nothing else could explain the anger towards her.

In the mind of a sick child killer almost anything could trigger anger though. It could have been Libby's hair color, her build, what she was wearing, how he observed her acting on that day on the trails that day, any of those things. Just the fact that her shoe was found could mean he had a hold of Abby and Libby tried something, that could have angered him more against her, just that. I'm not saying I discount previous interaction, I haven't.

 

[JnRyan]

I’m not sure what’s the source of your facts but MSM reported the first sketch was based on a witness sighting when it was released July/17.

“Leazenby said he cannot discuss where the witness saw the unidentified man, who authorities consider the main suspect in the slayings of 14-year-old Liberty German and 13-year-old Abigail Williams. He said the witness saw the man around the time the girls were killed.”
Witness aided in sketch of suspect in Indiana teens’ deaths

This article would seem to imply that the first sketch released was based on this one witness. ISP 1st Sgt. Holeman stated at CrimeCon that the July 2017 sketch was done by an FBI sketch artist and was the result of more than one witness. Here is CrimeCon interview and Holeman discusses it from 22:30 to approx. 26:00 in the video.
Video of the Crime Con Interview (FULL) : DelphiMurders

 

[Falling Down]

I have read there were people on the trail that day other kids even, how is it no one heard or saw them scream or run or anything?

People were there before and after the girls.