Just thought of something regarding vehicle. If they got the info from a security camera wouldn’t they also have seen whoever it was getting in and out of it? But if it was from an eyewitness how would they know the precise times the car was dropped off and when it left? Unless the person was standing there staring at the car for 5 hours.
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Maybe this guy lived or worked in another town but took this route frequently, daily, weekly or monthly and would stop at these trails to eat his lunch or rest and got the idea that it would be a good place to grab one of these kids there alone. Maybe he’s not a local yet still familiar with the trails and bridge. It is right near a major highway right? Maybe a delivery or truck driver? Does anyone know if they have public restrooms there? That wouldn’t necessarily be a prerequisite for him to stop. Hopefully they put up security cameras near the entrance to the trails now to see who comes back there. Some criminals love to revisit the scene, if for nothing else than to see what’s going on or to act like it’s a normal part of their routine. Remember Peterson revisiting the marina?
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Smart poster. And remember these kinds of perps love to marinate and obsess over before moving in for the attack. This guy clearly planned the attack that day, so right there we know he’s the sort that would stalk his prey. Imo
Wow, so I guess then the girls were not disfigured. That tells us something too.
What's the citation for this quote? Which member of LE said it and when?
If I recall correctly, the Delphi Police chief deflected a question from the press about the community being in danger on the day the girls were found by saying people in Delphi are smart enough to know what to do. The Carroll County Sheriff has said that he doesn't want people in the county to live their lives in fear, constantly looking over their shoulders. To be honest I feel that these non-answers were aimed more at preventing hysteria or vigilanteeism in the community than speaking to the actual danger that existed.
Contrast this to these statements which kind of paint a different picture - these span the time period from immediately after the bodies were found up until the three year mark:
"Be cautious and careful and be parents...know where your children are and what they are doing."
ISP: Delphi Amber Alert wouldn't have helped
Detective Kevin Hammond: "Things have changed for us all...I am more vigilant with my own children since this happened."
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Interviewer: "This community has never had a double homicide, Sergeant, from what I understand, and it has been years that Delphi, a community of 3000, has ever had a murder. What do you say to this community tonight because a...killer is on the loose, a double murderer?"
Sgt. Riley: "Well, we tell people, like we've been telling people since this has all started, you need to be safe out there. We are working 24/7 to try to solve this horrendous crime."
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Three Years Later: Everything we know about the murders of Libby German & Abby Williams in Delphi
“I can’t say there’s not a threat to the community,” Indiana State Police Sgt. Kim Riley told RTV6 at the time. "We have not caught the person yet. Is the person still in the community? We don’t know.”
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... The fact he doesn’t discourage anyone from using trail system stands out to me IMO
“Although there are no official suspects at this time, Sheriff Leazenby said he still feels those living in Carroll County are safe, but everyone should be more cautious and attentive moving forward.
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“I feel safe for this community. Whether or not folks should be alert and watchful, that’s a true statement. But we always encourage that folks always do that,” said Sheriff Leazenby.
“While the community waits for answers, the Carroll County Sheriff's Department will be helping the city of Delphi patrol and keep their trails safe.
Sheriff Leazenby said residents should remain vigilant, but not afraid.
“I don’t want to discourage anyone from using the system; it’s there for a purpose and for recreation. And I feel that folks should continue with business as usual, but be more mindful and watch their surroundings and environment a little closer. And again, report anything that doesn’t’ look right or looks unordinary (sic) to us so that we can follow up on it,” said Sheriff Leazenby
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... The fact he doesn’t discourage anyone from using trail system stands out to me IMO
“Although there are no official suspects at this time, Sheriff Leazenby said he still feels those living in Carroll County are safe, but everyone should be more cautious and attentive moving forward.
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“I feel safe for this community. Whether or not folks should be alert and watchful, that’s a true statement. But we always encourage that folks always do that,” said Sheriff Leazenby.
“While the community waits for answers, the Carroll County Sheriff's Department will be helping the city of Delphi patrol and keep their trails safe.
Sheriff Leazenby said residents should remain vigilant, but not afraid.
“I don’t want to discourage anyone from using the system; it’s there for a purpose and for recreation. And I feel that folks should continue with business as usual, but be more mindful and watch their surroundings and environment a little closer. And again, report anything that doesn’t’ look right or looks unordinary (sic) to us so that we can follow up on it,” said Sheriff Leazenby
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It would be impossible for LE to know this for certain unless they knew who did it and his motive. Anyone can cyberstalk anyone else from a distance without their or anyone else’s knowledge. A smart computer guy can even get there IP and home address very quickly just from a photo they post. And remember if he was stalking one of them, that doesn’t necessarily mean he was from the area. Check the news on all of the creeps that abduct and murder kids from other states they meet or stalk online. The smart ones won’t leave a data trail, like “friending” them, not connecting with them online, messaging them, calling them, etc. just stalk from a distance. Those are the hardest to catch.
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What specifically do you notice in this comment to indicate LE was aware the murders were not random from day one? I must be missing something because to me it reads be careful, observant and cautious.
“Sheriff Leazenby said residents should remain vigilant, but not afraid.
“I don’t want to discourage anyone from using the system; it’s there for a purpose and for recreation. And I feel that folks should continue with business as usual, but be more mindful and watch their surroundings and environment a little closer. And again, report anything that doesn’t’ look right or looks unordinary (sic) to us so that we can follow up on it,” said Sheriff Leazenby...”
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I have a weird feeling the perp is somehow directly or indirectly related to Libby’s swim team. Maybe the parent or other relative of a fellow swimmer or rival team swimmer. Maybe someone she never even noticed before or had any interaction with. I’m sure they must compete with teams from other towns right? That might explain why no one’s recognized him yet from BG video. Why would a child killer target such a small town unless he had SOME connection to it.
Time will tell, hopefully.
Time will tell, hopefully.
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I have always, since day one, took these comments by LE as indicating that they did not know anything at that time other than they had two murdered girls. They were treading water basically in an ocean of media attention concerning a horrific crime and they had zero experience with either. LE was trying to keep the community calm and reassured. I am sure no one needed to tell the people of Delphi to lock their doors that night.
Some people over the last four years have tried to use these awkward words to point to theories that LE knew immediately the killer was local or had known the girls, just because LE didn’t tell people to pack up their kids and leave town. I just don’t see it that way.
Just my thoughts.
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I get that this may seem weird, but I'm sure the searchers were given some sort of description of who and what to be looking for. A tie dye shirt would be an easy thing for her sister to remember and share with others.
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It does seem odd, but at the same time this isn't a large area, and many people probably know each other to a degree. We don't know how close they were.
Question for locals:
How rural or isolated from the rest of the state is this town?
Who would visit it or pass by it on a regular basis?
Are there any big touristy sites there like an amusement park or concert venue?
Is it directly on the route of one big city to another?
Are there any big warehouses there like Amazon etc?
How rural or isolated from the rest of the state is this town?
Who would visit it or pass by it on a regular basis?
Are there any big touristy sites there like an amusement park or concert venue?
Is it directly on the route of one big city to another?
Are there any big warehouses there like Amazon etc?
Is this area a hunting area and if so why do they let people hike thru it? Wouldn’t that be extremely dangerous? I thought I heard Libby’s grandfather say he hunted there. And if he hunts there, others must as well right. Definitely can’t overlook any guy who’s ever hunted there. Hunters have no problem killing. Sick but true. And they would definitely feel at home there and know the terrain. Is it possible there are wildlife cameras set up in the woods there? Maybe to make sure these murderers aren’t killing doe or fawn or other innocent creatures they shouldn’t be. They should check out every registered hunter in that state.
Did LE ever give a reason for doing a 360 on the perp’s face at the 2 year mark? Not only does he not look anything like the first sketch, but he looks NOTHING like BG who looks and sounds like an old fat dumpy guy. No way is that the voice of a young guy. Sketch 2 looks like a way younger guy. BG, which we know to be accurate and true evidence, has a grey goatee, is fat, dumpy, looks old and definitely has an old voice. We cannot see his hair. Sketch 2 shows a much younger clean shaven guy with a full mop of curly hair. What happened, did the perp take his hat or hoodie off and the girls videotape him and they just noticed this 2 years later???
This to me is the weirdest thing about this case so far. Has anyone come out and asked LE this question? Why does the new sketch look NOTHING like BG? They have already said they believe BG is the killer. But imo there is no way BG is the same guy as Sketch 2. I feel like we are being gaslighted or something. Unless there are 2 perps.
This to me is the weirdest thing about this case so far. Has anyone come out and asked LE this question? Why does the new sketch look NOTHING like BG? They have already said they believe BG is the killer. But imo there is no way BG is the same guy as Sketch 2. I feel like we are being gaslighted or something. Unless there are 2 perps.
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I have this interview with Sheriff Tobe Leazenby and he speaks to, ongoing or not ongoing, danger to the community at the 3:14 mark.
I also thought he was generalizing a bit too much. Two young girls were murdered and the killer(s) were at-large and the County Sheriff was saying it was safe. It bothers me too.
What’s up with the two women looking sneakily at each other at around the :40 second mark on the ABC News Delphi clip Epitome of Evil? They totally look like they might know something. We aren’t sure what LE was saying at the time tho bc the audio isn’t lined up with the video. I can see family members being too scared to talk in rural areas like that if they find out something about one of their violent family members. LE should look closely at any domestic violence calls, or murdered or missing people in that town since feb 2017. Also fatal “traffic accidents” “fires” or anything else that may have been staged.
Correct. The tie dye shirt was on the missing flyer!!! It was what EVERYONE was looking for.
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