Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #129

[Cantwaitfortheday]

Snipped by me.

With all respect, I will state, there is not one country boy from my neck of the woods that would call Deer Creek, a river. It simply is NOT a river. It's a creek. That's why they call it Deer Creek.

It is in fact quite shallow where they are thought to have crossed, and at the time, likely only a few inches to maybe a half a foot deep in that area.

Very good to know. I couldn’t make out for the life of me, this variable but if this creek is as shallow as you say, it makes more sense that he would cross it without regard and discredits my original theory with the crime timeline/his plan.

 

[TTF14]

from the absolute teeth rattling nerves seen in the presser with C , I just feel so strongly now that
BG called in or left a message somehow and said something about the girls "condition". maybe just before the presser...which would make sense. It just fits..because Carter was sending a message back to him and he was a nervous wreck. Seriously this man was SHAKEN. mOO

I have always thought this.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

from the absolute teeth rattling nerves seen in the presser with C , I just feel so strongly now that
BG called in or left a message somehow and said something about the girls "condition". maybe just before the presser...which would make sense. It just fits..because Carter was sending a message back to him and he was a nervous wreck. Seriously this man was SHAKEN. mOO

You know....you might be right. I never really gave much credence to the thoughts that the killer had had some contact with police but I did think it was odd at the press conference that Carter commented on the girls’ “condition”. A very specific topic. So maybe there was some communication. And as Stattlich1 said, it plays toward some other things said that day.
Interesting.

 

[Beachlife926]

Here's something I wondered about and I don't know if it has been mentioned before. If it has then sorry for repeating old stuff again.

I have seen loads of people say this guy may have stalked their social media, but as far as I can see nobody has mentioned how he could have done so on SnapChat. Up until December 2017 (so after the girls died) there was a function on SnapChat where you could add people who were nearby. So for example I live in an apartment building and I remember seeing this function and it showed me who else in the building was on SnapChat.

I did NOT have to add them to see their SnapChat names, it just displayed them. Wasn't Libby's name on SnapChat just her full name? If it was then by checking 'Add Nearby' this guy would've been able to see her full name in advance. I don't know if Abby was on there but again if she was it would show her SnapChat name. This creep could've checked their FaceBook pages with their SnapChat names too. But if they were both on SnapChat with GPS location turned on, he would've known that there were two girls out there (potentially) alone.

Is Add nearby still on Snapchat?

What say the killer was waiting around, constantly checking 'Add Nearby' on his SnapChat for potential victims and for a few hours nobody came up. Then, up popped the two girls and he chose his victims.

Has nobody thought of this?? It was taken down by SnapChat in December 2017.

Good observation, ShamelessObserver
I know it was mentioned snapmaps came out after the murders. I did a little digging on add nearby and the girls would need the add nearby feature open, and consistently searching (every min) in order to find someone nearby. I found this:
“Add Nearby is perfect for when you meet a group of new friends and want to add them on Snapchat. Have everyone open Add Nearby at the same time to find each other. If no results appear after a minute, simply tap to search again.”
IMO

 

[Snoop Sister]

I know it is really none of my business and it will eventually come out in court, but I can’t get past the crime scene as being described as very weird and odd. I have heard people allude to this more than once. Robert Ives (original prosecutor on the case) for one, states the latter and further indicates that the crime scene is not what one would imagine. There were a variety of things that were not normal. Moreover, he states that there is more to it than just the murder. His views can be heard on the Down the Hill podcasts (chapter 6 and 10).
I think if people have time, by listening to the podcasts, much more info can be gleaned there regarding the murders than other info posted to date.

I am wondering since many people in that area are religious, could one of the signatures have a religious motif? The crime scene apparently is not that far from the cemetery...not sure if this is relevant.



https://www.downthehillpodcast.com/

 

[sandy_80]

Does anyone else think he wasn’t intentionally looking for child victims? And so the day off from school was coincidental? Per their FBI posters, both girls were 5’4”. Both had on pants and jackets. From a distance they could’ve been a huge age range. Maybe he saw them from a distance and once he decided they were going to be his victims, he was too mentally committed once he was close enough to realize they were younger than he first thought. Or he was too focused on what he was doing to even think about their ages.

yes .. my thoery was always that he was not a peado , rather a sexual offender ..and that his main target was LIBBY who can pass for 18 ...and that abby had a chance to escape but stayed with her friend and SO WAS CALLED A HERO
my theory also that age might have played a factor in the way the crime happened ..

 

[ShamelessObserver]

Good observation, ShamelessObserver
I know it was mentioned snapmaps came out after the murders. I did a little digging on add nearby and the girls would need the add nearby feature open, and consistently searching (every min) in order to find someone nearby. I found this:
“Add Nearby is perfect for when you meet a group of new friends and want to add them on Snapchat. Have everyone open Add Nearby at the same time to find each other. If no results appear after a minute, simply tap to search again.”
IMO

Trust me that's wrong because when I discovered the function, all of my neighbours who had SnapChat were displayed. I didn't ask anyone to turn it on or even know half of them. It may have been a default setting at one point or another for all SC accounts to have it marked 'yes' as an option to have it turned on....

 

[Skully]

from the absolute teeth rattling nerves seen in the presser with C , I just feel so strongly now that
BG called in or left a message somehow and said something about the girls "condition". maybe just before the presser...which would make sense. It just fits..because Carter was sending a message back to him and he was a nervous wreck. Seriously this man was SHAKEN. mOO

I think you could be right about this hunch. From the begging he was brazen, took all kinds of risks, from taking two teenage girls, who he knew most likely had phones, in daylight, on a day when school was out and it was a warm day and all kinds of people at that location. I do think this was fast, he got them to the location and he was quick and out of there. I have some ideas about the scene but not going to post it, family or friends don't need to read it, and of course he is a narcissist so you know he is reading all he can about the case and what people think.

 

[Beachlife926]

DBM

 

[Snoop Sister]

I think you could be right about this hunch. From the begging he was brazen, took all kinds of risks, from taking two teenage girls, who he knew most likely had phones, in daylight, on a day when school was out and it was a warm day and all kinds of people at that location. I do think this was fast, he got them to the location and he was quick and out of there. I have some ideas about the scene but not going to post it, family or friends don't need to read it, and of course he is a narcissist so you know he is reading all he can about the case and what people think.

If Libby’s sister dropped them off at around 1:30 and when Libby’s dad went to pick them up and called Libby at 3:30, there was no answer on her phone, I think they were grabbed really quickly in broad daylight. This IMO took preplanning and he was hiding somewhere waiting for a victim(s) and the girls were at the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[MistyWaters]

from the absolute teeth rattling nerves seen in the presser with C , I just feel so strongly now that
BG called in or left a message somehow and said something about the girls "condition". maybe just before the presser...which would make sense. It just fits..because Carter was sending a message back to him and he was a nervous wreck. Seriously this man was SHAKEN. mOO

I don’t know, maybe I’ve become somewhat desensitized to public PCs in general but as Superintendent of Indiana State Police, remember that DC is the highest ranking Police Officer in the state.

Wouldn’t we expect him to be highly skilled in the art of effective public delivery?

I can’t imagine him rising to the highest rank if he didn’t excel at his role or never mastered the #1 prerequisite of a good police officer - appropriate emotional control. Not to diminish the deaths of the two girls in any way but this is a man in charge of policing the entire State and so his responsibilities are far greater than the day-to-day Delphi investigation. So it reasonable to assume he was nervous wreck....or....was that the way he wanted it to appear in order to effectively reach out to his audience on an emotional level?

DC, Indiana Police Spokesperson -
'I'll start with I'm sorry'

 

[Skully]

If Libby’s sister dropped them off at 1:30 and when the dad called Libby at 3:30 and there was no answer on her phone, they were grabbed really quickly in broad daylight. This IMO took preplanning and he was hiding somewhere waiting for a victim(s) and the girls were at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yep I agree, he was there hoping to find a victim. He was prepared, he had what he needed with him and all he had to do was wait, wait until he saw an opportunity. I don't know how many kids really crossed that bridge on any given day or week, but I did read people liked to do selfies and take pictures there in front of it. I know I wouldn't be brave enough to walk over it, too scary for me. But he was like a wolf, waiting for prey. I wonder how many days he waited there, and just left, to return again on another day?

 

[Snoop Sister]

Yep I agree, he was there hoping to find a victim. He was prepared, he had what he needed with him and all he had to do was wait, wait until he saw an opportunity. I don't know how many kids really crossed that bridge on any given day or week, but I did read people liked to do selfies and take pictures there in front of it. I know I wouldn't be brave enough to walk over it, too scary for me. But he was like a wolf, waiting for prey. I wonder how many days he waited there, and just left, to return again on another day?

Exactly...I don’t believe snap chat and other social media had anything to do with the murders and the Sheriff has indicated such in the past. The social media aspect has been thoroughly investigated by countless LE. The killer was already on that bridge prepared and waiting for a victim.

 

[Skully]

I don’t know, maybe I’ve become somewhat desensitized to public PCs in general but as Superintendent of Indiana State Police, remember that DC is the highest ranking Police Officer in the state.

Wouldn’t we expect him to be highly skilled in the art of effective public delivery, along with the abi

I can’t imagine him rising to the highest rank if he didn’t excel at his role or never mastered the #1 prerequisite of a good police officer - emotional control. Not to diminish the deaths of the two girls in any way but this is a man in charge of policing the entire State and so his responsibilities are far greater than the day-to-day Delphi investigation. So it reasonable to assume he was nervous wreck....or....was that the way he wanted it to appear in order to effectively reach out to his audience on an emotional level?

DC, Indiana Police Spokesperson -
'I'll start with I'm sorry'

I can't tell you how these kinds of murders effect even the most seasoned LE officials. I have seen other's have to take a breath or get it under control as they did a presser about a murder or some heinous crime. They are human, until you are there, face to face with such horrible evil and what is done, you can't judge that. You never forget it either.

 

[MistyWaters]

I can't tell you how these kinds of murders effect even the most seasoned LE officials. I have seen other's have to take a breath or get it under control as they did a presser about a murder or some heinous crime. They are human, until you are there, face to face with such horrible evil and what is done, you can't judge that. You never forget it either.

My intention is not to diminish this tragedy. But if a police officer breaks down in speaking about a tragedy, how effective would they be face-to-face with a perpetrator in an interview room? I greatly admire the skills required of police officers in order to do their jobs effectively and that’s all I’m going to write....but my opinion is it’s impossible for us to know if DC was suddenly shaken by something very specific or if in general, he displayed appropriate emotions due to the tragic circumstances.

Considering the PC was almost two years ago now, even though no arrest has occurred after changing course to the New Direction, DC’s presentation was obviously highly effective in that people are still reminiscing about it! In fact at the time he had many people certain an arrest was imminent...how did we misread him on that?

 

[Yemelyan]

Carroll County Comet news sponsored Q&A with the Sheriff for the fourth anniversary, and reportedly publishing answers in multiple reports. Perhaps a reader posed a follow-up question about the vehicle parked near the former CPS building to the Sheriff, and his response is pending. Time will tell...

County Sheriff answers double homicide questions from readers | Carroll County Comet

Maybe it wasn't clear, but because this article is behind a paywall, some of the questions and answers published in this were transcribed on post #475 in this thread. I couldn't transcribe all of them due to TOS so I chose the ones that I felt actually revealed new info.

Here's a link in case you didn't see it and don't want to deal with the paywall:

Found Deceased - IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #129

 

[Peppery]

Does anyone know how to view thread #1?

 

[Jax49]

Does anyone know how to view thread #1?

Found Deceased - IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 13, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #1

 

[Seattle1]

Maybe it wasn't clear, but because this article is behind a paywall, some of the questions and answers published in this were transcribed on post #475 in this thread. I couldn't transcribe all of them due to TOS so I chose the ones that I felt actually revealed new info.

Here's a link in case you didn't see it and don't want to deal with the paywall:

Found Deceased - IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #129

Thank you @Yemelyan. I also understood the response by Sheriff was to be continued -- not all questions were answered in the first report by "Comet" newspaper.

 

[Seattle1]

Does anyone know how to view thread #1?

Page one of every thread includes an index of links to prior threads, and also the link to the MEDIA ONLY thread.