Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #137

[StarryStarryNight]

To your point #1, I agree, I don't see how that plays into the "we know who it is but can't prove it/waiting on alibi to crumble" scenario.

To your point #2, I have to respectfully disagree. I posted a study here awhile back that showed that people who acted to tip police based on accurate knowledge were motivated to do so no matter the amount of the reward. So people tended to do the right thing whether they got $500 or $25,000. However, a higher reward was not associated with a reward being more likely to be paid out, or with more accurate tips. It was just associated with a greater number of tips overall. (Information on that study is here: Do Cash Rewards For Crime Tips Work? )

So what that tells me is that rewards work well if it's something like "I heard people talking that Jimmy might have shot John after they argued." I don't think they work as well when people have to really think about "if my husband did this then everyone will know I was having sex with a pedophile and pretty soon my three children and I will be living out of my car."

I'm NOT saying that the right thing to do isn't always the right thing to do. I'm saying the mental gymnastics to get to that point can be astronomically hard with or without a reward.

Some sources:

When big rewards on offer, they are rarely claimed. Do cash rewards actually help catch criminals?

Criminologists said there are no solid national studies showing that large rewards are any more effective than smaller rewards or any other tactic in solving crimes.
Do big rewards help solve crimes?

Barb Bergin, chairwoman of Crime Stoppers USA, says the prospect of higher rewards for cases that receive more publicity may increase the number of tips or calls. That doesn't necessarily mean those tips help solve the case or lead to higher rewards being paid out. "Nationally we are seeing programs who are paying out as little as 15 to 20% of their available rewards," Bergin says.
Do Cash Rewards For Crime Tips Work?

I accept and respect your respectful disagreement and will respectfully decline to read the sources provided...mostly because I’m lazy.

 

[Yemelyan]

I accept and respect your respectful disagreement and will respectfully decline to read the sources provided...mostly because I’m lazy.

No worries. As always, I'm only providing information so that people can challenge their assumptions if they want to (in this case, the assumption that people are more motivated by a bigger reward to do the right thing, or that rewards are a tactic more effective than other strategies at solving crimes). I don't ask anyone to change their mind but I like to bring information forward. I appreciate the discussion you bring to the thread.

 

[sandy_80]

I don't believe that anybody has the right tip they are ALLEGEDLY waiting for...which could be something like this
he confessed the whole thing to me and this includes details of the crime scene and exact manner of death not leaked or shared

 

[minazoe]

I find it quite odd that after massive press coverage of BC as a possible suspect and all of the interviews, family, etc...all of the things that were dug up and all of the attention it garnered for Abby and Libby..you would hardly think there would be a BLACKOUT of any discussion of this case.

in my mind this man is under intense suspicion and there is a great deal of work being done behind the scenes.

look, they are in a huddle now, there's no way they are going to stop taking calls and inquiry's, stop publicly asking people to come forward, black out all discussion of the latest poi..it's highly unusual...because this case has not been solved for five years..and even Elizabeth and Lyric's cases are unsolved..

so what we do know for certain is they are still working on JBC. they have unsolved cases. other states and counties have unsolved cases..everyone has to take a good look at JBC because he has been in the vicinity of many of unsolved crimes ( according to his Facebook and his parole records etc. ) and because of what he did in Lafayette.

so here we have this guy and the potential becomes enormous..and if it is possible they have the right guy
then it's time to decide to try and get a confession...that would be best all around.

mOO

 

[Yemelyan]

I find it quite odd that after massive press coverage of BC as a possible suspect and all of the interviews, family, etc...all of the things that were dug up and all of the attention it garnered for Abby and Libby..you would hardly think there would be a BLACKOUT of any discussion of this case.

in my mind this man is under intense suspicion and there is a great deal of work being done behind the scenes.

look, they are in a huddle now, there's no way they are going to stop taking calls and inquiry's, stop publicly asking people to come forward, black out all discussion of the latest poi..it's highly unusual...because this case has not been solved for five years..and even Elizabeth and Lyric's cases are unsolved..

so what we do know for certain is they are still working on JBC. they have unsolved cases. other states and counties have unsolved cases..everyone has to take a good look at JBC because he has been in the vicinity of many of unsolved crimes ( according to his Facebook and his parole records etc. ) and because of what he did in Lafayette.

so here we have this guy and the potential becomes enormous..and if it is possible they have the right guy
then it's time to decide to try and get a confession...that would be best all around.

mOO

Serious question - did they "blackout" any and all discussion about the case (as you said, for example, no longer asking for people to come forward with information) or did they say that any further discussion of potential POIs and suspects would not be afforded? Because there is a big difference in those two scenarios IMO.

 

[minazoe]

this was never clarified as far as I know..I assume they will say they continue to look at other suspects..as for the tip line that is unknown. but they are not going to make statements and have not come out asking for the help of the public... if the tip line was actually closed then I think that would mean game over.

if you call there with questions they will not talk about it, and they will not have any press conferences where they update reporters and make pleas to the public for information.

mOO

 

[CCJD]

Serious question - did they "blackout" any and all discussion about the case (as you said, for example, no longer asking for people to come forward with information) or did they say that any further discussion of potential POIs and suspects would not be afforded? Because there is a big difference in those two scenarios IMO.

DELPHI, Ind. — Carroll County imposed a total blackout on releasing any information about possible persons of interest in the investigation into the Feb. 13, 2017, killings of teenagers Libby German and Abby Williams.

"No further comment on Mr. Chadwell or any other suspect will be afforded in the foreseeable future," Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby said Wednesday when the Journal & Courier called asking for follow-up information about James Brian Chadwell.

BBM

Delphi murders: Blackout imposed in Libby and Abby killings

 

[Yemelyan]

this was never clarified as far as I know..I assume they will say they continue to look at other suspects..as for the tip line that is unknown. but they are not going to make statements and have not come out asking for the help of the public... if the tip line was actually closed then I think that would mean game over.

if you call there with questions they will not talk about it, and they will not have any press conferences where they update reporters and make pleas to the public for information.

mOO

I think that if this case is going to reach a resolution (whether you think that's JBC or you think the person is still out there), we need to make sure we post accurate information in these threads. I think you can probably appreciate that if we state on this thread that police are not going to ask for any more help from the public, or that they will no longer be discussing any aspect of the case - that could spread widely and make people who DO have important information less likely to come forward.

Information on a "blackout" goes back to just one article, in the Journal & Courier: Journal and Courier

It states:
Carroll County imposed a total blackout on releasing any information about possible persons of interest in the investigation into the Feb. 13, 2017, killings of teenagers Libby German and Abby Williams.

"No further comment on Mr. Chadwell or any other suspect will be afforded in the foreseeable future," Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby said Wednesday when the Journal & Courier called asking for follow-up information about James Brian Chadwell.

It doesn't say anywhere that they are no longer asking people to call in with tips or that no further updates of any kind will be issued. It refers specifically to possible persons of interest. It is a blackout on information relating to possible persons of interest, not a blackout on information about the case.

If we care about this case being solved, let's keep accuracy at the forefront.

 

[sandy_80]

a podcast called ( murder sheet ) interview and face the guy from ( true crime garage ) who made blatant claims on his podcast by naming a potential witness as a ( prime suspect ) publicly
link to podcast
https://rss.art19.com/episodes/caa86d88-3860-4e92-9fa6-0d45d5a22d0d.mp3

 

[Laura456]

Here in the UK we have an excellent Social Security System which supports the type of people and households you mention both finacially and with goverment organisations who support their welfare needs . I understand not every country is able to offer this kind of financial and social welfare support.

Could I ask your opinion, for how long would you estimate $325,000 would support an average family in the U.S.?

It greatly depends on the amount of people and the care needed. For some people, that amount of money would not go far. For some, it could last ten years.

 

[keep-it-real]

Just a couple of thoughts on the recent discussion here.
1) I remember LE saying they had narrowed it down to 4 or 5 and I thought at that moment this investigation is in real trouble. After this amount of time, you’re waivering between that many people? I don’t see how that plays into the “just dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s” scenario or the “just waiting for the alibi to crumble” scenario.
2) Sometimes doing the right thing is the right thing to do. Without expecting anything in return. If every crime ever committed had had to wait for a witness or someone with information to audit the financial and emotional effect it would have on them before contacting police, nobody would be in jail. It’s hard. It has consequences. Yet through history people have repeatedly come through in helping to solve crimes...because it benefits the community and others and victim’s families...and it’s the right thing to do.
I’m not sure LE has a clear idea who is responsible(though I think JBC is a good possibility), and I don’t really think anybody’s family member or friend suspects this guy simply because nobody has come forward and done the right thing.

Youre right of course @StarryStarryNight it is the right thing to do.
We have seen how caring the Delphi community has been to the victims family in this case,@Yemelyan has pointed out how the futures of the families of people who commit such crimes could be affected. Perhaps a different approach is needed. Perhaps a publicity campaign reaching out to assure anyone who knows the person who did this and wants to come forward but is afraid for whatever reason to do so, that the community will help and support them through it. After all they are also victims particulary if the reason that they are holding back is because they have children too.

 

[Yemelyan]

@sandy_80 Thanks for bringing that up, I was going to mention it as well and then thought the better of it. There have been podcasts lately that played very fast and loose with their information and put out some rumors with only the most meager attempt to conceal who they were accusing.

I strongly believe that the "blackout" on discussing possible persons of interest is related to the attention on presumably innocent people drummed up by these podcasts just as much as it's related to the hoopla over JBC.

 

[MistyWaters]

I think that if this case is going to reach a resolution (whether you think that's JBC or you think the person is still out there), we need to make sure we post accurate information in these threads. I think you can probably appreciate that if we state on this thread that police are not going to ask for any more help from the public, or that they will no longer be discussing any aspect of the case - that could spread widely and make people who DO have important information less likely to come forward.

Information on a "blackout" goes back to just one article, in the Journal & Courier: Journal and Courier

It states:
Carroll County imposed a total blackout on releasing any information about possible persons of interest in the investigation into the Feb. 13, 2017, killings of teenagers Libby German and Abby Williams.

"No further comment on Mr. Chadwell or any other suspect will be afforded in the foreseeable future," Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby said Wednesday when the Journal & Courier called asking for follow-up information about James Brian Chadwell.

It doesn't say anywhere that they are no longer asking people to call in with tips or that no further updates of any kind will be issued. It refers specifically to possible persons of interest. It is a blackout on information relating to possible persons of interest, not a blackout on information about the case.

If we care about this case being solved, let's keep accuracy at the forefront.

Thank you for repasting the original report. Nowhere is it quoted LE even used the word “blackout”. For all we know it was the title choice of the writer. Yet there’s focus on that one word - blackout - as if its an important revelation when in reality LE have already stated in the past they won’t be releasing any information on suspects. I agree, singular words blown out of proportion in order to take on unnecessary significance does absolutely nothing to help solve this case. JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

@sandy_80 Thanks for bringing that up, I was going to mention it as well and then thought the better of it. There have been podcasts lately that played very fast and loose with their information and put out some rumors with only the most meager attempt to conceal who they were accusing.

I strongly believe that the "blackout" on discussing possible persons of interest is related to the attention on presumably innocent people drummed up by these podcasts just as much as it's related to the hoopla over JBC.

I agree. It also wouldn’t surprise me if tipsters regularly call up LE asking for an investigative update for tips they’ve submitted.

 

[keep-it-real]

Just a couple of thoughts on the recent discussion here.
1) I remember LE saying they had narrowed it down to 4 or 5 and I thought at that moment this investigation is in real trouble. After this amount of time, you’re waivering between that many people? I don’t see how that plays into the “just dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s” scenario or the “just waiting for the alibi to crumble” scenario.

I believe this is a group crime so Im encouraged they have narrowed it down to 4 or 5.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Youre right of course @StarryStarryNight it is the right thing to do.
We have seen how caring the Delphi community has been to the victims family in this case,@Yemelyan has pointed out how the futures of the families of people who commit such crimes could be affected. Perhaps a different approach is needed. Perhaps a publicity campaign reaching out to assure anyone who knows the person who did this and wants to come forward but is afraid for whatever reason to do so, that the community will help and support them through it. After all they are also victims particulary if the reason that they are holding back is because they have children too.

I’m with you in that the family members of this killer shouldn’t be reviled and I doubt that would happen unless they were somehow complicit. No torch carrying crowds will rule the day.

 

[BNA]

I’m with you in that the family members of this killer shouldn’t be reviled and I doubt that would happen unless they were somehow complicit. No torch carrying crowds will rule the day.

We live in interesting times, tho.

 

[sunshineray]

DELPHI, Ind. — Carroll County imposed a total blackout on releasing any information about possible persons of interest in the investigation into the Feb. 13, 2017, killings of teenagers Libby German and Abby Williams.

"No further comment on Mr. Chadwell or any other suspect will be afforded in the foreseeable future," Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby said Wednesday when the Journal & Courier called asking for follow-up information about James Brian Chadwell.

BBM

Delphi murders: Blackout imposed in Libby and Abby killings

That wording, " No further comment on Mr. Chadwell or any other suspect", to me says JBC is still a "suspect" in the Delphi murders...in Sheriff Leazenby's mind. MOO

 

[minazoe]

they did not say no arrest..just no discussing.

 

[CurlyQ]

Checking in.....anyone know why there's a blackout on release of information?