Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #137

[heartgoesout]

IMO, This killer knew he had been seen pre-crime but that did not deter him. And he was seen by a similar type of victim.
He moved steadily ahead towards his intended victim(s).
Not only do I not think this was not random or impulsive but many things point to targeted and planned.

 

[MichMan015]

Yes, BG new the area, He knew exactly where he was headed but I do think the girls were in the wrong place at the wrong time. When they crossed paths that day he saw an opportunity and took it.

 

[minazoe]

I love the way the sheriff in this case has shut down any opportunity for JBC to use the media circus around A & L in order to gain notoriety and manipulate the trial process for his attempted murder charges. He has shut it down and no one has heard or read the name JBC in the Daily Mail, Local News, or any other news....bet he's mad no one is talking about him and no one is interviewing any one about him or his life.

so now what? the judge can say he hasn't seen or heard about JBC in the news for weeks even months..he can stand trial right in the same lovely place he tried to destroy that child..

so it's all shut down..no leaks and the only one talking about Delphi relating to JBC is JBC himself, and his lawyer.

and what about the people of the town where this atrocity was committed? Don't they have a right to see him tried?

I love the way the Sheriff gives them 100 percent nothingness to go on..and no platform or claim of any kind can be made against LE.. there is zero word on the street too..this is due to respect...respect and allegiance to the case and to Libby and Abby.

I think this is a good way to break JBC..he wants the attention so bad.

This is all my opinion and total conjecture on my part.

mOO

 

[heartgoesout]

Yes, BG new the area, He knew exactly where he was headed but I do think the girls were in the wrong place at the wrong time. When they crossed paths that day he saw an opportunity and took it.

If you study the criminology of the crime, this was not a wrong time wrong place scenario. IMO

 

[heartgoesout]

Another aspect of this crime that is not talked much about is the online aspect. Very easy to create multiple online identities, fit it normally, place confusion and redirect. IMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Another aspect of this crime that is not talked much about is the online aspect. Very easy to create multiple online identities, fit it normally, place confusion and redirect. IMO

LE claims no evidence of online catfishing, etc, so that became a baseless theory.

 

[racer308d]

I snipped some of your post.

The hat is important. I think it is a welder’s hat people couldn’t quite describe to the sketch artist. And Chadwell is a welder.

This is a very good idea. I had previously wondered about the boots, possibly welder's boots

 

[CreatureIDontKnow]

We know of three people who saw BG. The witness he scowled at, the one who saw something he felt needed to be reported and said witness.
We have a before siting (up close) and we have an after siting (distance). Those are going to be different since BG disguised himself with a scarf to hide his face. Then IMO hid the original clothes in a duffel bag. (You can see the bag handles coming out of the jacket in the BG pic IMO). ...

There are so many threads for this case, I simply cannot read through them all - can someone explain the different sitings of BG or point me to a detailed outline of witness accounts? Thank you!

 

[heartgoesout]

LE claims no evidence of online catfishing, etc, so that became a baseless theory.

You are correct. Do you have links for LE saying that? Another confusing topic in this case.
In the beginning LE said be to aware of what your children are doing online.
IMO they may not have any evidence to tie someone specific to the the girls, but dang if online activity isn't stealth and easily covered. Don't forget Libby reset her phone right before the murders.

 

[FrostedGlass]

You are correct. Do you have links for LE saying that? Another confusing topic in this case.
In the beginning LE said be to aware of what your children are doing online.
IMO they may not have any evidence to tie someone specific to the the girls, but dang if online activity isn't stealth and easily covered. Don't forget Libby reset her phone right before the murders.

I don't have links handy but I do remember them saying they found no evidence. It was my second favorite theory; finding no evidence of something does not always mean it didn't happen.

Some time back, IIRC, one of the mods shut that line of conversation down.

 

[racer308d]

honestly I just take the two sketches to mean he may look older with facial hair, and may at times wear a hat. but, he can also look clean shaven and younger..they know the suspect has two looks..at least that's how I take it. mOO

And I think 2 voices. I happened to randomly listen to a video JBC posted of his pitbull pups, it's 37 sec long. He's doing baby talk to the pups on a porch, the dog parent is in the house whining through the screen door; JBC says "don't be jealous" two times. The second time he said it, I got chills. A switch was flipped. Just like in the audio clip released by LE; "guys" is almost in a tone one would say to two kids/young teens (probably in the form of a greeting), then "down the hill" the switch was flipped. People have wondered why did LE only release one extra word in the audio? I think IMO that is why, to hear that change in tone. Would love to hear someone's thoughts on this

Edit: deleted accidental posted quote

 

[JnRyan]

I don't have links handy but I do remember them saying they found no evidence. It was my second favorite theory; finding no evidence of something does not always mean it didn't happen.

Some time back, IIRC, one of the mods shut that line of conversation down.

I suppose I don't believe in absolutes where some theories are involved. Throwing out online chatter the girls may have talked about what they were considering for the day off days before. In the grocery store, in line at a fast food place and overheard by the killer. Yes, I know it is said by all close to the case that they did not bring it up till an hour or two before they left, but that could have been their FINAL planning. Regarding an online chatter, the killer may have been drawn to the site by online conversations NOT involving Abigail and Liberty and he found them instead. I just don't believe all is known to all concerned in the case to completely rule anything out. As you stated no evidence of something is not evidence it didn't happen.

All that said, I tend to believe this killer was most likely NOT attracted to this area at this time by ANY prior knowledge. Did he go there specifically to kill someone - a teenage girl in her late teens, a twenty to thirty some year old out on trails? But came across Abigail and Liberty instead? Did he go out there in a negative state of mind and just hatched his plan when he saw the girls? I believe he simply showed up at roughly the same time as Abigail and Liberty. Wrong place, wrong time for them and what led the killer to the trails may be insignificant in finding out who he is. How he acted afterwards is probably much more significant.

 

[minazoe]

I think he was out walking around with his gun because he was hanging out in the woods, possibly sleeping there..I think when out there he has a gun and maybe even a pup ..maybe he has a little camp or spot..or is barn surfing.maybe he is just coming back from the liquor store and is gonna hunker down there or he drove there and is going back to a vehicle.. but still is sleeping outside/ or in a car but is homeless...anything of value he has on him...the gun, maybe his shaving stuff, maybe a bottle..I think he might have some zip ties or prepared items because he is a crazy psychopath...when crazy men have guns they feel emboldened..they feel godlike.

guys who have been in prison know how to quickly access the lay of the land before they attack a fellow prisoner..

he makes a quick assessment and all systems are go...

I think he passed those girls and went back. he had that gun, he had his stuff..he got lucky.

mOO

 

[Ray_of_hope]

THIS ^^^^

or, just adding, they are covering for someone else.

also they are usually very helpful and insert themselves into the investigation to keep informed of just what LE knows.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

I think it’s this kind of fishing hat. MOO.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

I have actually started to wonder if the car was left at the CPS building.

IMO, it was an 80s VW Rabbit. But that’s just my own personal sleuther opinion.

 

[MichMan015]

If you study the criminology of the crime, this was not a wrong time wrong place scenario. IMO

Can you elaborate please.
Thanks

 

[Speculaytor]

The story goes, the girls had not planned to go to the trail until noon THAT day, am I right? So, if BG had planned the murder, how did he find out they were going? They had just decided to go impromptu.

And, if the girls are dropped off at ~1:45, and the picture of BG is just after 2 (I saw 2:09), then there wasn't much time for BG to get there if he found out they were there by seeing their posts on snapchat. It almost seems that BG would had to have already been there, or known what time they were going to the trail to get there by that time. They weren't there very long when they encountered him. Who may have overheard a conversation of one of their parents about them going that day, or who might have been told, and told another? WHO could have known they were going to the trail that day, at that time?

How could BG pre-meditate killing the girls on an impromptu visit to the trails?

 

[JnRyan]

IMO, it was an 80s VW Rabbit. But that’s just my own personal sleuther opinion.

How did you come up that? (I actually have one of those!)

 

[minazoe]

premeditation could have started moments after he first encountered them.

I also thought it could have been prearranged because of the way the girls lingered there at that spot as though they were waiting...but then we found out that there is a rule or like a tradition that people do not pass each other going both ways so if someone is on the bridge you wait for them to cross before you head back across. so they could have been waiting for BG to clear the bridge..

we also have to realize that people meet and talk and make plans off line all the time..like at a grocery store or an event..

but it was a week day, I doubt BG would have known there was no school that day and invite them to meet him there days before the murders happened... it gets too convoluted and there is no digital trail at all..but for a long time I did think they were lured there...
I did think that but now I think it was just scum ball JBC cruising the park with his gun in one of his internal rages and feeling violent..probably with one of his stolen guns...

probably sleeping in the park and running out of fools. mOO