Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #137

[Wiseowl716]

I wasn't aware that not one person can put him in Delphi...do you know this for a fact? I think we don't have that information yet. mOO

As far as I know at least nope. There is the Carroll county court house that's located in Delphi but I don't think he's even been there. If he had been in Delphi at some point in his life or criminal history I'd probably be sold on him tbh.

 

[minazoe]

As far as I know at least nope. There is the Carroll county court house that's located in Delphi but I don't think he's even been there. If he had been in Delphi at some point in his life or criminal history I'd probably be sold on him tbh.

I think he has been in and around Delphi for a long time and I think his phones or social media will tell the tale ..Kokomo is 29.75 miles from Delphi. That he has no record in Carroll doesn't phase me.. mOO

 

[Charlot123]

Welcome Zabble..The girls encountered their killer on a train trestle bridge. it is a specific type of bridge. JBC 's Facebook is open and can be examined and you can formulate your own ideas..It's under Brian Chadwell. as of late some material has been removed but it is very interesting to say the least...not brilliant in any way ..just an interesting window into JBC. mOO

My opinion - BG either does not have FB, or if he does, it was always private and limited. I don't think he responds much to others' posts, either. Very average. JMO.

 

[sandy_80]

The male witness has the exact same hair. Although he has changed his appearance a few times since, with a current bald style happening.

so he has a reddish brown afro ? i didnt see it

 

[jg580]

JBC does not fit what LE has told us about BG. IMO
BG wants to know what they know. One would think JBC would stay as far away from LE as he could. Our BG has inserted himself into the investigation. He never “thought they would switch gears but they did”. Our BG knew info on the case from talking about it with LE. Otherwise how would he know what direction they were going in? (The wrong sketch being part of that).
“To the killer, we believe you were hiding in plain sight”, JBC cannot be placed at the crime scene.
“We believe this is about control to you”. That describes an organized killer. JBC was disorganized in his crime.
When one really steps back and listens to what LE tells us JBC isn’t the guy. Thank God he’s off the streets though!
Of course all just my humble opinion.

This was similar to my thinking as well, although sometimes I wonder if I'm reading too much into the press conference. But if I go with, those words actually did have meaning, then I do also believe that whomever they think the killer is, it is someone who inserted themselves into the case somehow. Most likely a "witness" who they now believe may not be IMO. I'd love it to be JBC just because he's away and cant hurt anyone now but I don't feel it is. But as you said above, thank goodness he's off of the streets.

 

[racer308d]

As far as I know at least nope. There is the Carroll county court house that's located in Delphi but I don't think he's even been there. If he had been in Delphi at some point in his life or criminal history I'd probably be sold on him tbh.

I've read about two possible ties to Delphi but haven't had time to confirm/unconfirm yet

 

[Ekliptika]

This was similar to my thinking as well, although sometimes I wonder if I'm reading too much into the press conference. But if I go with, those words actually did have meaning, then I do also believe that whomever they think the killer is, it is someone who inserted themselves into the case somehow. Most likely a "witness" who they now believe may not be IMO. I'd love it to be JBC just because he's away and cant hurt anyone now but I don't feel it is. But as you said above, thank goodness he's off of the streets.

After Reading Mindhunter, I do think a lot of what was being said at the 2019 press conference has background in a FBI profile of the killer. Not that they necessarily know who it is, but there must have been certain things around the case that made them come up with this profile (if what I think is right, I could be wrong).
But again, Mindhunter is a book about all the cases where the profile was right. Not sure this is always the case, so my next research Will be around how often a profile is right or wrong.

 

[racer308d]

After Reading Mindhunter, I do think a lot of what was being said at the 2019 press conference has background in a FBI profile of the killer. Not that they necessarily know who it is, but there must have been certain things around the case that made them come up with this profile (if what I think is right, I could be wrong).
But again, Mindhunter is a book about all the cases where the profile was right. Not sure this is always the case, so my next research Will be around how often a profile is right or wrong.

I'm interested to know that as well

 

[JnRyan]

I was going back today and looking at the Elizabeth Barraza case. $20K reward and based on the Crime Stoppers poster the tip need only lead to an arrest, NOT an arrest AND a conviction. In the case of the Delphi killings ISP stated a conviction is necessary in order to collect the reward:
Delphi murders: Donation hikes reward for arrest, conviction of killer

Still, I could wait a couple of years for a conviction for over $325K. The fact that this reward is over $300K and it doesn't appear to have provided that "one tip" that LE stated they need leads me to believe or question a number of things. This killer hasn't revealed this to ANYONE? This killer may have been on a day off, unemployed or worked nights and his absence at that time would not have been noted by anyone? While he might have lived or visited the Delphi area years ago he now lives a few hours away from Delphi and those around him don't have a clue or dismiss his involvement because they don't believe he has a past connection? The 'one' person that might know but is so scared they believe they might not live to collect the reward?

OR someone has called in the tip and maybe more than once. In the case of Tara Grinstead, one guy KNEW who killed her and called the GA Bureau of Investigation (GBI) years before the arrest. And he did more than once. To this day GBI has not been able to provide reason why his tips were not acted upon. (I still find it interesting that when LE in this case wanted an outside agency - outside of the sheriff, FBI and ISP - to look at the case they chose GBI.) ISP Superintendent Carter stated in the April 2019 PC that it was likely they have spoken to the killer or someone close to him. I suspect that is a nagging thought on the minds of the investigators given that there have been over 50K in tips.

This is the largest reward I can ever recall seeing and yet, on the surface at least, it appears to be a giant tip generator. I'm not poor and yet I know I could sure use $325K.

 

[minazoe]

there isn't a soul who knows what he did...if they did they would turn him in.... mOO

 

[flashy09]

As far as I know at least nope. There is the Carroll county court house that's located in Delphi but I don't think he's even been there. If he had been in Delphi at some point in his life or criminal history I'd probably be sold on him tbh.

What sells me on him is the camping aspect. He likes to hangout in the woods and get drunk. He would know about the Delphi trails whether he does anything else in Delphi.

He has the height, weight and age and even the "looks younger..." part. Most importantly he has the brazenness and evilness that it takes to assault a child in an extremely risky environment. I think Delphi had to be unplanned or the connection would have been uncovered. These girls were not living double lives or expecting to meet anyone. So much fits.

My seed of doubt - besides I guess whatever DNA was not a match - is his voice seems a little higher and more nasal than BG, who (t0 me) sounds older and more country. But I can believe he was changing his voice to be unheard and authoritative at the same time.

I don't know. I so want it to be him because the case seems so cold. It makes me so mad that two girls couldn't be on a walk without losing their lives.

 

[JnRyan]

there isn't a soul who knows what he did...if they did they would turn him in.... mOO

My most likely scenario. He probably not only hasn't said a word about it, but no one had a reason to notice his absence that afternoon.

 

[heartgoesout]

LE has repeatedly told us otherwise.

 

[MntnHiker]

In terms of the reward money yet not having an arrest yet, my thoughts are:

1) They HAVE had the killer called in as a tip, but they don't have enough evidence to arrest him.
OR
2) Someone DOES know or at least suspects their husband/son/brother/insert person here, but their relationship with him is worth more to them than the money. It is a BUNCH of money, and we all know the ethically right thing to do is turn them in even if it's a loved one, but not everyone will do that. MOO

 

[carbuff]

I wasn't aware that not one person can put him in Delphi...do you know this for a fact? I think we don't have that information yet. mOO

He had photos on his Facebook of him visiting Lafayette and other areas around that part of Indiana. He liked to fish. He has pictures of himself living under a bridge or in areas beside a stream. He's got pictures of railroad bridges and trestles (some stock, some apparently his own). If he can't be placed specifically in Delphi, there doesn't seem to be anything to rule it out, either.

 

[minazoe]

He had photos on his Facebook of him visiting Lafayette and other areas around that part of Indiana. He liked to fish. He has pictures of himself living under a bridge or in areas beside a stream. He's got pictures of railroad bridges and trestles (some stock, some apparently his own). If he can't be placed specifically in Delphi, there doesn't seem to be anything to rule it out, either.

exactly..it's an area..he's all over it.

 

[Zabble]

JBC is an interesting theory and his interest in bridges could definitely have lead him to the Monon High Bridge. There's a photo he posted of "Old Red Covered Bridge" near Griffin, IN and this shows that he's willing to travel to see bridges. It's not impossible that he could have become aware of the Monon High Bridge and travelled to explore it.

However, when I look at the BG photo I don't see any dark marking on top of his right hand that could indicate the tattoos similar to the tattoos JBC have on his hands. Looking at the pic JBC posted on 16 October 2018 (wearing an orange shirt), the dark markings of the tattoos can be seen on top of both his hands. I don't see this in the BG photo.

He posted a close up of his hand on 22 June 2017 and he had the tattoos back then. It's not impossible that he could've gotten the tattoos after the murders and before 22 June 2017, although unlikely.

 

[racer308d]

JBC is an interesting theory and his interest in bridges could definitely have lead him to the Monon High Bridge. There's a photo he posted of "Old Red Covered Bridge" near Griffin, IN and this shows that he's willing to travel to see bridges. It's not impossible that he could have become aware of the Monon High Bridge and travelled to explore it.

However, when I look at the BG photo I don't see any dark marking on top of his right hand that could indicate the tattoos similar to the tattoos JBC have on his hands. Looking at the pic JBC posted on 16 October 2018 (wearing an orange shirt), the dark markings of the tattoos can be seen on top of both his hands. I don't see this in the BG photo.

He posted a close up of his hand on 22 June 2017 and he had the tattoos back then. It's not impossible that he could've gotten the tattoos after the murders and before 22 June 2017, although unlikely.

Have you seen the 48 still images that were taken from the video clip released by LE? In the shadow on what appears to be BG's left hand (image could be mirrored if taken in selfie mode) there are 3 dark spots on what appears to be his knuckles. Of course we all know how grainy and blurry the video is, but those 3 marks are definitely there. To name a couple, image 15 and 19, but it can be seen in others. I know JBC has on one hand "evil" spelled out on his knuckles. The other hand in the video, what is visible, could it be washed out because it's in sunlight? I don't know, but very little of either hand is visible in the clip to begin with. JMO.

Edited to distinguish between BG and JBC

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Regarding JBC's social media, in addition to us looking at it, I have to believe LE is REALLY digging into it. And with persons more skilled in analyzing behavior. I just finished watching "Becoming Evil: Serial Killers" on Amazon. In the last episode when talking about new technologies and procedures in the 21st century, one person talks about important it is for LE to use analysis of social media as a tool.

When I think about it Websleuths is a form of social media, albeit with individuals with pseudonyms instead of their actual names. I've often wondered if the criminals visit here, not as members but 'lurkers', guests. When LE gets JBC's phone and/or computer, I'll bet they will through them for EVERYTHING.

I believe if LE really thought they had the killer in JBC, we'd have heard it by now. But I sure would like a peak on what they've found on his internet activity. Social media, texts and more importantly what news searches are in his browser history. If he is the killer, the Facebook stuff just might be the tip of the iceberg.

There is NO DOUBT in my mind that criminals visit WS. moo.
If I were a criminal, I would be on WS, and any other forums, Reddit, social media, etc.

I’ve watched various documentaries, Dateline, TV shows, etc. that depict how some criminals keep a place in their home or storage unit, full of newspaper clippings and what not on the investigation going on. Whether or not that is fact or fiction, I do believe that it happens in some cases. And nowadays with social media and the vastness of inter-webs, I do believe that some criminals use multiple avenues to keep themselves updated on what’s going on in the investigation.

JMO.

ETA: without having to insert themselves directly

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

What sells me on him is the camping aspect. He likes to hangout in the woods and get drunk. He would know about the Delphi trails whether he does anything else in Delphi.

He has the height, weight and age and even the "looks younger..." part. Most importantly he has the brazenness and evilness that it takes to assault a child in an extremely risky environment. I think Delphi had to be unplanned or the connection would have been uncovered. These girls were not living double lives or expecting to meet anyone. So much fits.

My seed of doubt - besides I guess whatever DNA was not a match - is his voice seems a little higher and more nasal than BG, who (t0 me) sounds older and more country. But I can believe he was changing his voice to be unheard and authoritative at the same time.

I don't know. I so want it to be him because the case seems so cold. It makes me so mad that two girls couldn't be on a walk without losing their lives.

It makes me so mad that this case has not been solved yet, because they have an actual RL video & audio. AND they have an endless supply of resources at their fingertips, e.g. technology.
It really blows me away that LE seems to have not enough info to close the case.

I really hate to say this…there must have been A LOT of fork ups on LE end to be where we are today. And IMO if LE did such a terrible job, which again I strongly believe this to be true, then why do some of these incompetent people still have jobs!!?!

MOO.