Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #137

[minazoe]

you know the more I think about it..random and very fast murders like this have to be near impossible to crack if there is no DNA..a fast and violent killing out in the elements..but, there was supposedly much staging so it would seem there is more of a chance of some usable evidence , but not guaranteed..

these guys, you really have to catch them in the act...the way JBC was caught..

JBC has been educated in prison and he's sneaky by nature..so he's that guy..he's informed, he knows what to do..they haven't caught him up until now.

you think it's his first time? think again... and if people are coming out now..if there are living victims, girlfriends, children...they have to protect these victims.. It's just disgusting what he did to that child...and one doesn't need to stretch their imaginations much to put him in those woods, on that day
in his little welder boots with one of his probably stolen guns walking that bridge like gravity doesn't exist.

mOO

 

[carbuff]

everyone who truly has an interest in this case should take a look around on his Facebook..I think you will be gobsmacked by the weird stuff he has on there.. just sayin..

I would second this. I expected to see a lot of the disgusting or creepy stuff we often see with SM for sex offenders, but it mostly wasn't. It was astonishingly normal, most of it. He often comes across as naive and even charming--until he doesn't and then it's damn scary, and he changes in a flash.

Also sometimes posts photos of innocent things that he has taken to make them look sinister. One that stuck in my mind was when he was refinishing a floor, taking the old linoleum off, the photo made it look like the wood had been soaked in blood. Really creepy, and a couple of comments sniggering about fooling people.

None of this makes him Bridge Guy. But it sure contributes why I'm not ruling him out in my head until they say something a lot more definite than what they've said so far.

 

[Ekliptika]

I'm not sure if I can link a Youtuber? But IS has posted hours and hours of media links as it all unfolded.
Many are LE interviews. If you have time, go back and listen to all of the LE ones specifically. I truly believe LE tells us everything we need to know over and over, we just weren't picking up on it.

I am interested in hearing your thoughts around what it is LE is tellling us, that we have not picked up on?

 

[racer308d]

you know the more I think about it..random and very fast murders like this have to be near impossible to crack if there is no DNA..a fast and violent killing out in the elements..but, there was supposedly much staging so it would seem there is more of a chance of some usable evidence , but not guaranteed..

these guys, you really have to catch them in the act...the way JBC was caught..

JBC has been educated in prison and he's sneaky by nature..so he's that guy..he's informed, he knows what to do..they haven't caught him up until now.

you think it's his first time? think again... and if people are coming out now..if there are living victims, girlfriends, children...they have to protect these victims.. It's just disgusting what he did to that child...and one doesn't need to stretch their imaginations much to put him in those woods, on that day
in his little welder boots with one of his probably stolen guns walking that bridge like gravity doesn't exist.

mOO

And by his own admission on FB, just 3 hours before he viscously attacked that little girl, he admitted he has to wreck things when they're going so well; he can't do normal. He's admitted more than once he doesn't like people, doesn't have a social circle. He is very much a lone wolf. Most people who know him are already shocked by what he's done. More shock may be on the way.

 

[minazoe]

he is a vicious killer..no doubt in my mind.he allowed that child to be bitten by a Pitt bull.. many years ago my sweet Rottwieller was attacked by a loose Pitt bull..the doctor told us we were lucky the dog was old because usually a Pitt bull bite can easily break bones.

any dog bite is traumatic..I just can't imagine..and I don't want to. Just know this is
extreme sadism, beyond the pale..I bet he was so excited about his basement..he thought he had a secret hidey hole.

the sweet normal guy routine is all an act. mOO

 

[heartgoesout]

If it does turn out to be JBC, I doubt those in his community will be shocked. I wonder if there is any substantial number of people in Delphi that even know him since he currently doesn't live there.

Yes! LE is telling us!
No one would be shocked and I doubt he's well known by the good community of Delphi.

 

[heartgoesout]

I'm certainly guilty of that as I thought an arrest would have been in days or at least weeks. I do wonder if they thought this would be easy to solve.

All early LE interviews, LE says they thought it would be solved in a few days. That there was so much physical evidence. I think Robert Ives also said something along those lines.
The other constant is LE has the utmost confidence it WILL be solved. I have never once saw doubt from LE.

 

[carbuff]

I don't think that shocked comment from LE means all that much. It's just another optimistic statement about solving the case. It's tempting to parse the slightest implication of their word choice, but they're cops, not English teachers.

 

[heartgoesout]

I am interested in hearing your thoughts around what it is LE is tellling us, that we have not picked up on?

In my humble opinion, take away all the youtube, facebook, podcasts, blogs, rumor, etc... clear any preconceived notion, current opinion, amateur sleuthing etc..., take away all that noise and just go back and review LE statements/interviews and the profile of BG is very clear.
If you have a question, research to see if there is any LE statements on that topic and I bet there is!

 

[Charlot123]

I was going back today and looking at the Elizabeth Barraza case. $20K reward and based on the Crime Stoppers poster the tip need only lead to an arrest, NOT an arrest AND a conviction. In the case of the Delphi killings ISP stated a conviction is necessary in order to collect the reward:
Delphi murders: Donation hikes reward for arrest, conviction of killer

Still, I could wait a couple of years for a conviction for over $325K. The fact that this reward is over $300K and it doesn't appear to have provided that "one tip" that LE stated they need leads me to believe or question a number of things. This killer hasn't revealed this to ANYONE? This killer may have been on a day off, unemployed or worked nights and his absence at that time would not have been noted by anyone? While he might have lived or visited the Delphi area years ago he now lives a few hours away from Delphi and those around him don't have a clue or dismiss his involvement because they don't believe he has a past connection? The 'one' person that might know but is so scared they believe they might not live to collect the reward?

OR someone has called in the tip and maybe more than once. In the case of Tara Grinstead, one guy KNEW who killed her and called the GA Bureau of Investigation (GBI) years before the arrest. And he did more than once. To this day GBI has not been able to provide reason why his tips were not acted upon. (I still find it interesting that when LE in this case wanted an outside agency - outside of the sheriff, FBI and ISP - to look at the case they chose GBI.) ISP Superintendent Carter stated in the April 2019 PC that it was likely they have spoken to the killer or someone close to him. I suspect that is a nagging thought on the minds of the investigators given that there have been over 50K in tips.

This is the largest reward I can ever recall seeing and yet, on the surface at least, it appears to be a giant tip generator. I'm not poor and yet I know I could sure use $325K.

Well, only we do not have the information that would put the person on the Delphi bridge on February 13, 2017.

The person who might have this information, or at least have a good guess, could be either the parent (forget it, in this case - MOO. Not only parental love, a crime like this is such a horrible shame for the family).

Or a girlfriend/wife/child.

How old is the perp? 18-40, let us take the middle, and assume it is 34 years till retirement.

If you divide 325 K per 34 years it amounts to less than 10 K a year. This is loss of income. I assume that because he is an average guy, he has a normal life and does not invest his money into drugs. So chances are, his salary is more than that.

To this, one has to add loss of prestige, loss of father to kids if there are any, total smear of the family name, need to relocate and start anew.

I don't think the money is even targeting "that" person who might know. If LE is lucky, there might be a situation similar to what happened in KB's case, side people with important information lured by the money, but I doubt it.

 

[Charlot123]

everyone who truly has an interest in this case should take a look around on his Facebook..I think you will be gobsmacked by the weird stuff he has on there.. just sayin..

He is exceptionally weird. But given that a very weird man who killed the girls was so smart and private that he can not be caught with significant force - ISP, FBI - for four years, can you imagine that such a man would pour his inner world onto FB for everyone to see?

To me, JC's FB looked like an oddball who is desperately trying to attract a woman and maybe, find friends. But he does not come across as someone who is planning to kill two young women for some form of sexual gratification and get away with double murder.

(JBC training his pitbull to attack cats is ugly)

 

[racer308d]

If they had social media back then and chose to use it, I wonder what Bundy's FB would have looked like, or Dahmer's, etc? Interesting to ponder. I don't necessarily think the killer has to be a genius. It could be as simple as not having that "one clue", possibly a suspect, to compare the evidence to. Also in terms of DNA, LE said it's not the kind we think. So maybe it's not as easy as seeing what felon pops up on the screen. No, JBC hasn't blatantly posted an admission of any kind, but it seems he could have left a lot of clues, like the one he posted 3hrs before his last attack (and his artwork, the stuff he conjured up from his own twisted brain. Could be a lot to read into there). He even posted a screenshot where he said not to make him choke her, in a sexual context. He doesn't seem all that smart, but he sure does seem violent and impulsive enough. JMO

 

[Ekliptika]

In my humble opinion, take away all the youtube, facebook, podcasts, blogs, rumor, etc... clear any preconceived notion, current opinion, amateur sleuthing etc..., take away all that noise and just go back and review LE statements/interviews and the profile of BG is very clear.
If you have a question, research to see if there is any LE statements on that topic and I bet there is!

I have done that. And A picture is formning in my head, but it is still Blurry.
I am interested in learning what profile you see when you do this?

 

[heartgoesout]

I have done that. And A picture is formning in my head, but it is still Blurry.
I am interested in learning what profile you see when you do this?

Taken from LE statements.
-Someone hiding in plain sight.
-Someone younger.
-Local & well known that the community will be shocked.
-Someone who has spoke with LE and privy to the direction of the case.
-Not in the system so has not committed serious crimes before.
-A coward. Organized killer associated with power.
-Has caring family. ("what will those closest to you think")
-Noticeable changes in behavior or appearance.
-Has a little bit of conscience left.

 

[fridaybaker]

Taken from LE statements.
-Someone hiding in plain sight.
-Someone younger.
-Local & well known that the community will be shocked.
-Someone who has spoke with LE and privy to the direction of the case.
-Not in the system so has not committed serious crimes before.
-A coward. Organized killer associated with power.
-Has caring family. ("what will those closest to you think")
-Noticeable changes in behavior or appearance.
-Has a little bit of conscience left.

I sort of take these things from LE with a grain of salt. I think they often have a very vague idea formed about the profile of the killer, take that to a press conference and, presto, those ideas become almost engraved in stone.

I have a feeling that many of these ideas won't be true, especially the one that "the community will be shocked". I've said before that many times in these cases people only know others in a particular context, and are often shocked when confronted with that person's crimes.

I also think that some of these ideas, such as "what will those closest to you think", could be arbitrary bids to get the perp to make a mistake -to psych him out- rather than anything very specific relating to a caring family.

Anyway, just my thoughts. I would be very surprised if JBC isn't "the one".

 

[buggiegirl]

That there was so much physical evidence.

I’ve always interpreted this as a negative. Meaning, it’s outside in a public place, of COURSE there’s a ton of possible physical evidence collected. Every beer bottle, piece of litter, random hair or used condom is going to have to be taken and tested. Not to mention the fact that the cops knew the crime took place over multiple areas, so it’s not just this 10ft x 10ft space, it’s along the bridge, down the hill, where they walked and where it ended.

A ton of physical evidence doesn’t mean a ton of USEFUL evidence. Just a ton to go through. IMO.

 

[carbuff]

He is exceptionally weird. But given that a very weird man who killed the girls was so smart and private that he can not be caught with significant force - ISP, FBI - for four years, can you imagine that such a man would pour his inner world onto FB for everyone to see?

To me, JC's FB looked like an oddball who is desperately trying to attract a woman and maybe, find friends. But he does not come across as someone who is planning to kill two young women for some form of sexual gratification and get away with double murder.

(JBC training his pitbull to attack cats is ugly)

There's also nothing there to tell you he was going to attack a 9-year-old girl. It's just those clues here and there, mostly with the dogs.

 

[minazoe]

If they had social media back then and chose to use it, I wonder what Bundy's FB would have looked like, or Dahmer's, etc? Interesting to ponder. I don't necessarily think the killer has to be a genius. It could be as simple as not having that "one clue", possibly a suspect, to compare the evidence to. Also in terms of DNA, LE said it's not the kind we think. So maybe it's not as easy as seeing what felon pops up on the screen. No, JBC hasn't blatantly posted an admission of any kind, but it seems he could have left a lot of clues, like the one he posted 3hrs before his last attack (and his artwork, the stuff he conjured up from his own twisted brain. Could be a lot to read into there). He even posted a screenshot where he said not to make him choke her, in a sexual context. He doesn't seem all that smart, but he sure does seem violent and impulsive enough. JMO

No, he is not smart, he is sneaky and cunning..it's only because he appears somewhat thoughtful and reflective, and he has a little education so he's not without some vocabulary... of course he is only average..just an average sociopath, psychopath, user, rip off, con artist low level criminal, child molester would be and probably a murderer..looking for sympathy on Facebook..creating a dual persona where he can scoot by under the radar on FB. all the while using outrageous taunts...and if they are not taunts then what the hell are they?? mere coincidence?

He's a one man crime wave..

I would love to see tapes of him in interrogation..it will be interesting..he's gonna want the Bundy treatment..he's gonna want these cops to kiss his a$$.. I feel like he is very very difficult and also because he is so jaded with the penal system, it may be hard for them to deal with him...
he will want to pretend he is part of solving the case..he will want to believe these Detectives love him and are amazed by him..He will act like he's in a movie and I don't doubt that he will throw red herrings, lies and misinformation in general into the mix..just to drag it all out forever.

mOO

 

[JnRyan]

I’ve always interpreted this as a negative. Meaning, it’s outside in a public place, of COURSE there’s a ton of possible physical evidence collected. Every beer bottle, piece of litter, random hair or used condom is going to have to be taken and tested. Not to mention the fact that the cops knew the crime took place over multiple areas, so it’s not just this 10ft x 10ft space, it’s along the bridge, down the hill, where they walked and where it ended.

A ton of physical evidence doesn’t mean a ton of USEFUL evidence. Just a ton to go through. IMO.

Good points. That's a viewpoint I had not considered. For example, take the DNA. In February, Sheriff Leazenby stated they had DNA, but they don't know if they have the killer's DNA. IOW, LE has DNA evidence but they're just not sure if it is useful evidence?

 

[JnRyan]

Well, only we do not have the information that would put the person on the Delphi bridge on February 13, 2017.

The person who might have this information, or at least have a good guess, could be either the parent (forget it, in this case - MOO. Not only parental love, a crime like this is such a horrible shame for the family).

Or a girlfriend/wife/child.

How old is the perp? 18-40, let us take the middle, and assume it is 34 years till retirement.

If you divide 325 K per 34 years it amounts to less than 10 K a year. This is loss of income. I assume that because he is an average guy, he has a normal life and does not invest his money into drugs. So chances are, his salary is more than that.

To this, one has to add loss of prestige, loss of father to kids if there are any, total smear of the family name, need to relocate and start anew.

I don't think the money is even targeting "that" person who might know. If LE is lucky, there might be a situation similar to what happened in KB's case, side people with important information lured by the money, but I doubt it.

Another argument on why rewards may not work. Of course, if this guy or gal is facing financial problems there is no telling what they might do. Greed does strange things to persons. Then I listen to JBC's brother and step-father on what they think of him and I wonder if they knew he killed Abigail and Liberty would they turn him in? I get the feeling the only strong family ties JBC has are with his dogs.

I haven't ruled out JBC, but I'm having serious doubts he is the killer here. If it is not him, there is a possibility the Delphi killer might lead something much closer to a normal, under the radar type of life. In which case, the family ties and/or the shame may be stronger than the desire for the money.

Then again, I tend to believe this killer hasn't told anyone and lives far enough outside the Delphi area no one makes the connection. There is also the possibility that he is in the vast number of tips LE has received to date. Sheriff Leazenby was quoted: “Mistakes may have been made early on in the rush to get a resolution to this,” Leazenby said. “It could be that just the right question was not asked or a nerve was not touched by a question to help us figure out who did this.” What if LE interviewed the killer based on a tip but it was put aside because the interview didn't yield any possibilities?