Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #142

[Sheila Terranova]

Very good point.
I will also say that after watching KAK mumble through that interview and the brief comments concerning him by MacDonald, I am less inclined to think that the girls were catfished or stalked online or targeted in any way, and have gone back to thinking this was a random crime.

A crime of opportunity. A pedophile out for a walk where young girls walk and police don’t, coming across vulnerable innocents.

 

[minazoe]

they have 43 seconds which 43 seconds do they have? is it more than one video?
they have an exact time stamp of 2:13.
they know someone did something on a phone that connected with Libby's phone...
they imply Libby communicated with Anthony Shots

we knew this about the Shots profile so I don't think it's big news.

the face blending was just bizarre ..I'm sorry..we are supposed to do this without software and just in our minds?

how does this in any way help us find BG? everyone acts utterly clueless, the piece lacked any direction.

and the cell tower dump is just idiotic, how is it this hasn't been done numerous times and combed over and over
in the last 5 years? I mean this is basic, even if there are laws protecting user identities etc.

and message to the killer? well if this sent any message it was they have no clue who you are dude.
even with 43 seconds, audio, sketches, phone records,dna and hair.

I mean if they were trying to get BG to chill out and loosen up then this show succeeded in doing just that.
mOO

 

[Tiff23fr]

Kelsi tells PEOPLE she's not so sure Kline is the killer.

"They never told us how or if he is connected," she says. "I'm not sure this guy is the guy, but they are looking very hard into this account. For whatever reason, they think the account is important."

Delphi Murders: 5 Years Later, Victim's Sister Clinging to Hope That Killer Will Be Caught

 

[AC4RD]

I think I vaguely even remember a baby goat.

The goat was a companion to keep the puppies company.

 

[Spartygirl]

This is what throws me off:

On Wednesday, police emphasized that a new sketch of a suspect’s face is not supposed to be a different take on a composite sketch of a heavier, older-looking man. They are, according to Indiana State Police Sgt. Kim Riley, not the same person.

Delphi murders: New suspect sketch not same man as in old sketch, ISP clarifies

And that confused me a little -- LE said NOT SAME PERSON

BUT LE ALSO SAID-----

LE said "That was a very significant shift for us and we fully anticipated the criticism, but remember, a sketch is not a photograph," said Carter. "I think eventually what we'll be able to do is, put the face of the murderer up in between those two sketches and we'll be able to merge them together and become one."

"But you think that the second sketch is more…" began Longnecker.

"We think there's commonalities between both of them with the individual," said Carter.

So, if not same person, but if you MERGE them together and put Suspect face between them, they will merge as same one.

I think I am making this harder on myself than needs to be and I need to slow down my thoughts on this as it confused me.

I think I got it now

Sketches are NOT same person
BG will be a blend of both.

 

[Ravenmoon]

Am I the only one that is frustrated at the fact that they (HLN) has 25 minutes of interview with KK and they have NO plans to release more than the minute (if that) we saw.

I probably wouldn't be upset if it didn't seem that it was what I felt they were leading us to believe.

Is it because there is TOO much information that ISP feels is detrimental to the case? Thoughts?

AMOO MOO JMO

 

[Prime8]

Ok, so if there's

43 seconds of recorded video from Libby's phone starting at 2:13?...Is that correct?

Abby's picture was at 2:07 with no BG in sight.

That would mean almost immediately after the 2:07 picture was posted BG started over the bridge and took just 5 minutes and 17 seconds to cross to the other side before the recording of him began. Did I do that math right?

Isn't that just extremely way too fast to cross that old and treacherous path?

You are correct. It's not too fast but it is fast, it's a person on a mission who is comfortable with the risk.

Do we know if the photo of Abby was taken at 2:07 or just posted at 2:07. Could the picture have been taken eg at 2:01 but posted at 2:07? (I do not have snap chat so do not know how it works? Can you upload pictures you have on your phone to snap chat? ).

We don't know that. You can post either way. IMO, Libby could have waited to post it after they were off the bridge just for convenience sake. LE would have these answers.

Haven't gotten an answer, so I'm going to post it anyway heh. This is a still shot from a video from Oct 2020, but I hadn't seen it until last month. It was showing various versions of enhancements of BG's face. This one hit differently than any I've seen before.

ETA: For reference, they were discussing the possibility of a mustache/mustache color.

The image has already been enhanced beyond what any average person could do. We've been told that Disney and NASA worked on enhancing that photo. Anything additional is just adding guesses to a very pixelated image. You could honestly do whatever you want with how bad the image is.

 

[Ravenmoon]

Also, after watching what was presented on the show, I am convinced that KK is the link to finding the killer.
I don't necessarily believe KK to be that person, but I would NOT rule him out ..and if it isn't him, he and his AS profile are the key to solving the case.

AMOO JMOMOO

 

[Turkeytrot]

Am I the only one that is frustrated at the fact that they (HLN) has 25 minutes of interview with KK and they have NO plans to release more than the minute (if that) we saw.

I probably wouldn't be upset if it didn't seem that it was what I felt they were leading us to believe.

Is it because there is TOO much information that ISP feels is detrimental to the case? Thoughts?

AMOO MOO JMO

I've wondered the same, since they said LE found the interview "helpful".. I wonder if the helpful portions were kept out of the special to protect the case

 

[Silver_produce0]

I've wondered the same, since they said LE found the interview "helpful".. I wonder if the helpful portions were kept out of the special to protect the case

it is strange to me how it could be helpful to them because, what new information would he be giving a freaking reporter that he would not have given police?!

Also the comments by Carter and the two sketches are totally muddying the water. It is completely contradictory to other things they have said.

 

[Prime8]

it is strange to me how it could be helpful to them because, what new information would he be giving a freaking reporter that he would not have given police?!

Also the comments by Carter and the two sketches are totally muddying the water. It is completely contradictory to other things they have said.

I agree on the sketches, it's really time someone told the public the actual truth/rational about them because it's so confusing and all over the place.

As for what could be helpful - that could be LE lying to scare BG. It could also be that KAK was more relaxed talking with HLN so he said some things he hadn't told the police. A female journalist vs. male LE creates a very different dynamic, especially for a predator.

 

[Marzipan]

Haven't gotten an answer, so I'm going to post it anyway heh. This is a still shot from a video from Oct 2020, but I hadn't seen it until last month. It was showing various versions of enhancements of BG's face. This one hit differently than any I've seen before.

ETA: For reference, they were discussing the possibility of a mustache/mustache color.

Great, now I see a panda on his shirt where jacket opens. Deadhead? Love how now I’m turning into one of the crazies. Seriously though, I suspect this image has too much editing done to it. The facial hair looks beyond enhanced.

 

[acutename]

I just had a pretty wild idea. Is there any chance that BG had LG's phone at some time and filmed another person with it? People have asked why it was not removed from the scene or destroyed by BG and I have thought that it was either overlooked during the murder or that LG dropped/hid it on purpose. I have assumed (?) from the sequence of other things on the phone that BG never touched it but now I am letting my mind wander.

 

[Marzipan]

Great, now I see a panda on his shirt where jacket opens. Deadhead? Love how now I’m turning into one of the crazies. Seriously though, I suspect this image has too much editing done to it. The facial hair looks beyond enhanced.

Just quoting myself now to show the panda so you guys can come and take away my sanity card. Honestly, I do not believe there is a panda. I believe these enhanced and edited images are like Rorschach ink blots or like seeing bunnies in the clouds.

 

[acutename]

I agree on the sketches, it's really time someone told the public the actual truth/rational about them because it's so confusing and all over the place.

As for what could be helpful - that could be LE lying to scare BG. It could also be that KAK was more relaxed talking with HLN so he said some things he hadn't told the police. A female journalist vs. male LE creates a very different dynamic, especially for a predator.

I expect that LE would always like to see a POI talk about his "story" again because details might change or they might observe different emotional content. She said it was a 40 min interview, so only a small portion was in the HLN special.

 

[raja]

Following still ...4 years 364 days later.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I was very happy last night to hear five very well respected criminal minds talk about mistakes that likely were made early on, and that it was really past time for LE to first, explain the sketches and put them in context, and second, release more information.
The panelist were emphatic that the public is the the key to solving this case and they cannot do it if they are kept in the dark.

 

[Spartygirl]

Just quoting myself now to show the panda so you guys can come and take away my sanity card. Honestly, I do not believe there is a panda. I believe these enhanced and edited images are like Rorschach ink blots or like seeing bunnies in the clouds.

I just see a big blob.
Sorry
Although, I never could see the puppies, goat or 20 ft man behind a tree either, so there's that.

 

[Marzipan]

Am I the only one that is frustrated at the fact that they (HLN) has 25 minutes of interview with KK and they have NO plans to release more than the minute (if that) we saw.

I probably wouldn't be upset if it didn't seem that it was what I felt they were leading us to believe.

Is it because there is TOO much information that ISP feels is detrimental to the case? Thoughts?

AMOO MOO JMO

Produced for profit close to a newsworthy anniversary, that’s all IMO. They got a few new-ish pieces of info and characters, so they didn’t do too bad with this 5-year thing. I’m not being sarcastic, it really is baby steps and that’s NOTnothing. But I think we do have to remember that crime journalism and law enforcement are not one single entity in lock step. They have different goals, and with this type of journalism, ratings matter.
Edited for the NOT

 

[Ravenmoon]

I just see a big blob.
Sorry
Although, I never could see the puppies, goat or 20 ft man behind a tree either, so there's that.

I kind of hate to admit it, but there was a point in time when I over analyzed every detail of the "photo". I feel confident that I didn't see puppies or goats! I do however remember thinking he was wearing facial prosthetics and a Davey Crockett raccoon cap. Yep, I did that.

Having said that- once I understood that the photo was actually a video that was taken at a distance, I understood that there really is NOTHING to dissect.

I think we can agree that it is a person with a blue jacket, jeans and that he is carrying things on his person.

I almost feel like trying to figure out more is basically a losing battle.

AMOO JMO MOO