Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #143

[TL4S]

Just a look back. In hindsight, with what we now know, What the heck!?

FBI searches Peru home, finds no link to Delphi killings

FBI searches Peru home regarding Delphi homicides, nothing found | Fox 59

No connection to the murders. Imo, that isn't the same as no connection to the girls, or no connection to the killer, or not in possession of images, CSAM, or communications connected to the girls or killer. Jmo.

 

[sunshineray]

No connection to the murders. Imo, that isn't the same as no connection to the girls, or no connection to the killer, or not in possession of images, CSAM, or communications connected to the girls or killer. Jmo.

I know right. How though can the FBI inform the ISP about the anthony_shots account, get s warrant and then leave out the facts that anthony_shots communicated with one of the murder victims. They can't right? So there was a connection somehow?

What happened next is just so convoluted that I'm still struggling to sort it out. You look at certain actions or non-action, trying to now piece it together by LE's words, the affidavit and the arrestee's own words...just makes my head hurt.

 

[raja]

I don't think LE knew about the anthony shots account until just before the April PC where Carter said they had been on to something early on and introduced the new sketch. I seem to keep in the back of my mind that LE was waiting on new info from the FBI just before this. Speculation was it was DNA but I think, IMHO, it was the information from KAK's IPhone 5 that was wiped before handing over to LE.

 

[MistyWaters]

I don't think LE knew about the anthony shots account until just before the April PC where Carter said they had been on to something early on and introduced the new sketch. I seem to keep in the back of my mind that LE was waiting on new info from the FBI just before this. Speculation was it was DNA but I think, IMHO, it was the information from KAK's IPhone 5 that was wiped before handing over to LE.

Surely ISP knew about the search warrant at the time as the FBI is a member of the task force. The search warrant was just days after the murders in February, 2019 and the press conference you’re referring to was held more than two years later, April, 2019. That’d be quite an extensive delay in sharing information with their task force team members.

 

[TL4S]

Surely ISP knew about the search warrant at the time as the FBI is a member of the task force. The search warrant was just days after the murders in February, 2019 and the press conference you’re referring to was held more than two years later, April, 2019. That’d be quite an extensive delay in sharing information with their task force team members.

Yes. The affidavit begins by saying the FBI contacted the ISP Cyber Crimes unit regarding a man using the username anthony_shots, who was communicating with under-aged girls.

 

[sunshineray]

I don't think LE knew about the anthony shots account until just before the April PC where Carter said they had been on to something early on and introduced the new sketch. I seem to keep in the back of my mind that LE was waiting on new info from the FBI just before this. Speculation was it was DNA but I think, IMHO, it was the information from KAK's IPhone 5 that was wiped before handing over to LE.

anthony_shots was on KAK's iPhone4 that was confiscated on March 25, 2017 in the FBI raid. The FBI also had Libby's phone. ISP had to have known about anthony_shots?

 

[MistyWaters]

Surely ISP knew about the search warrant at the time as the FBI is a member of the task force. The search warrant was just days after the murders in February, 2017 and the press conference you’re referring to was held more than two years later, April, 2019. That’d be quite an extensive delay in sharing information with their task force team members.

Opps, murders and search warrant February, 2017, then press conference April, 2019, sorry for my typo.

 

[raja]

Yes. The affidavit begins by saying the FBI contacted the ISP Cyber Crimes unit regarding a man using the username anthony_shots, who was communicating with under-aged girls.

Yes they may have known it early on but the info connecting it to A&L was more than likely on the IPhone 5 that had been wiped. That info may not have been gleaned until early 2019. JMHO

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

I am just dropping this here. Was watching the short clip of the bridge guy. There appears to be a short moment where it stabilizes and zooms.

Feeling unsure if the "current" sketch is accurate because I swear I am seeing a moustache.
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When zoomed in:
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There also appears to be something on his knees
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My dad has a couple of "knee protectors" he uses when he is doing handy work, and I am kinda wondering if these are similar. Or they could be torn jeans? Hard to tell.

Wow these turned out small

Source for video: Indiana gov.

I think it could be a thigh rig holster, a condor tactical leg holster, a belt garter like strap, a tactical drop, a leg strap, a knee strap, or something homemade, etc. ya know for weapons or something of the like that he wore under his pants to concealer a large knife, or something. I mean for all we know he could’ve had carpenter like shorts on underneath so that he could have his weapon(s) concealed.


I have always found that the “shadow” (bulge) on his right leg was not a shadow.


MOO.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

We don't know whether this killer planned it all out ahead of time or took care to disguise his appearance in some way. LE told us a witness didn't know eye color but said not blue??
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That is such an odd thing to say when giving details. I wonder if LE was asking the witness(es) questions or is this odd statement something that randomly came out of the person’s mouth?!? Because if it was the latter I would be very suspicious of that statement. (That is unless the person had a true eidetic memory. But even then there are only about 100 people worldwide that have one)
Years ago I read that if someone is lying they will give unnecessary minute but specific details that could’ve been otherwise left out of the conversation.
Soooo this person’s statement really stands out to me.
IMOAspieO

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes they may have known it early on but the info connecting it to A&L was more than likely on the IPhone 5 that had been wiped. That info may not have been gleaned until early 2019. JMHO

The Feb, 2017 search warrant was issued in connection to the Delphi murders. By then LE had Libby’s phone in their possession for analysis. But it seems there must have been good reason to publicly raise the possible connection to anthony_shots more recently, in December, 2021. The press conference in early 2019 had everyone focused on some kind of local connection to Delphi and I didn’t get the impression it was related to possible online catfishing at all. But who knows….

FBI searches Peru home, finds no link to Delphi killings

 

[Diddian]

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That is such an odd thing to say when giving details. I wonder if LE was asking the witness(es) questions or is this odd statement something that randomly came out of the person’s mouth?!? Because if it was the latter I would be very suspicious of that statement. (That is unless the person had a true eidetic memory. But even then there are only about 100 people worldwide that have one)
Years ago I read that if someone is lying they will give unnecessary minute but specific details that could’ve been otherwise left out of the conversation.
Soooo this person’s statement really stands out to me.
IMOAspieO

Given what is now known (i.e, that LE and particularly the FBI were aware that a person on social media was in contact with LG and that that person had misrepresented his identity), I can't help but wonder if that "his eyes aren't blue" (paraphrasing) statement came not from an independent witness but from a member of LE who'd analyzed LG's phone and social media activity and actually seen the person behind the false identity. It is also possible that, if there were two offenders - one using social media to lure LG & AW to the location and another (perhaps seen by witnesses) showing up to abduct and/or sexually assault and/or murder - the release of that "his eyes aren't blue" statement was to motivate conflict between the two offenders, perhaps compelling the non-blue-eyed "lurer" to out the blue-eyed murderer.

 

[NatKingCola]

When a search warrant is executed by LE for electronic devices, how in the world do they determine if they found them all? If a device is powered off and in an air vent or outside someplace, would they clearly find that somehow with something?

Just thinking about KAK’s iPhone5 that was turned in later, after deletions. If that device was linked to the murders, then hiding it or leaving it with someone else in the aftermath only makes sense.

Would LE know what exact phone they were looking for during a search ? Like IMEI number or whatever specific? Or could just any iPhone with an active (or able to be logged into) Anthony-shots profile on it pass? That could happen on more than one device via WiFi (not necessarily only those with active cell service).

Could then confiscated devices start to be analyzed only to realize that the key device is missing, and then reach out and say produce it… or else? And then it was… but only after scrubbing it.

All opinion of course, but the clear connection to this case really disturbs me…

 

[evilwise]

When a search warrant is executed by LE for electronic devices, how in the world do they determine if they found them all? If a device is powered off and in an air vent or outside someplace, would they clearly find that somehow with something?

Just thinking about KAK’s iPhone5 that was turned in later, after deletions. If that device was linked to the murders, then hiding it or leaving it with someone else in the aftermath only makes sense.

Would LE know what exact phone they were looking for during a search ? Like IMEI number or whatever specific? Or could just any iPhone with an active (or able to be logged into) Anthony-shots profile on it pass? That could happen on more than one device via WiFi (not necessarily only those with active cell service).

Could then confiscated devices start to be analyzed only to realize that the key device is missing, and then reach out and say produce it… or else? And then it was… but only after scrubbing it.

All opinion of course, but the clear connection to this case really disturbs me…

The social media operators (Instagram or Snapchat or whatever) will have the IP addresses that accounts are logged into from and when. Internet service providers have the records of what IP was associated with what IMEI at what time.

 

[Spartygirl]

No connection to the murders. Imo, that isn't the same as no connection to the girls, or no connection to the killer, or not in possession of images, CSAM, or communications connected to the girls or killer. Jmo.

But it was connected to the murders.
LE found the SC/SM contact and the IP address led them to KAK.

I understand them not wanting to let it out publicly due to investigation ...but this was at the BEGINNING.
The freaking beginning.. and yet, here we are 5 yrs later.
SMH

 

[acutename]

The social media operators (Instagram or Snapchat or whatever) will have the IP addresses that accounts are logged into from and when. Internet service providers have the records of what IP was associated with what IMEI at what time.

he (or some one) was paying phone bills for the phones and there was a name or names on the account. he had a lot of phones for one person who was not actually running a business and handing them out, IMO.

 

[sunshineray]

Yes they may have known it early on but the info connecting it to A&L was more than likely on the IPhone 5 that had been wiped. That info may not have been gleaned until early 2019. JMHO

That affidavit says that anthony_shots was only found on the iPhone4. It says the data on the iPhone5 was "destroyed".

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...EQFnoECAQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3hZ6iE12wl7Q_BgOA-8Xeh

 

[Mireille]

I think it could be a thigh rig holster, a condor tactical leg holster, a belt garter like strap, a tactical drop, a leg strap, a knee strap, or something homemade, etc. ya know for weapons or something of the like that he wore under his pants to concealer a large knife, or something. I mean for all we know he could’ve had carpenter like shorts on underneath so that he could have his weapon(s) concealed.


I have always found that the “shadow” (bulge) on his right leg was not a shadow.


MOO.

I was wondering if it was some sort of bag he was in part carrying underneath is jacket.
Who knows why. But game bags maybe? That hunters use? Or one of those odd under-vest things fishermen use. Though I have no idea what he'd be hunting game-wise or even if it is fishing season over there around that time. It is oddly, round....but it could be the wind playing tricks with the jacket :/

 

[stattlich1]

"LE told us a witness didn't know eye color but said not blue??"

So, this witness was close enough to see that this person's eyes were NOT blue, but does not know what color his eyes actually were?

I've pondered this statement several times. How could it be? Is the witness color blind, only able to see blue?

I mean, most peoples eyes are what, blue, brown, green, hazel....how many colors do we have here?

Does the killer have two different colored eyes? Think about it, if I'm close enough to definitively state that your eyes are NOT blue, would I not notice if they were two different colors?

I don't get it. Help me out here

 

[MistyWaters]

But it was connected to the murders.
LE found the SC/SM contact and the IP address led them to KAK.

I understand them not wanting to let it out publicly due to investigation ...but this was at the BEGINNING.
The freaking beginning.. and yet, here we are 5 yrs later.
SMH

Yes there must’ve been some kind of known connection five years ago with Libby and/or Abby which supported the approval of the search warrant. So here we are today with LE only now asking if anybody had contact with anthony_shots. Recalling online situations five years backward is a long leap and well beyond the typical life of a cellphone as well.

Or I wonder was it just a means to continue to create chatter by using the media to maintain awareness, plus introducing the possibly of an online predator into the unsolved case?