Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #143

[cuecard]

"LE told us a witness didn't know eye color but said not blue??"

So, this witness was close enough to see that this person's eyes were NOT blue, but does not know what color his eyes actually were?

I've pondered this statement several times. How could it be? Is the witness color blind, only able to see blue?

I mean, most peoples eyes are what, blue, brown, green, hazel....how many colors do we have here?

Does the killer have two different colored eyes? Think about it, if I'm close enough to definitively state that your eyes are NOT blue, would I not notice if they were two different colors?

I don't get it. Help me out here

I imagine it could depend on a few things like the angle you're looking at them from, how long you got a glimpse, the light. Light, for example, does a lot to eye colour. Even if your eye colour is set, it can change if your eyes are exposed to sunlight. And as a result, your eyes might appear as a darker shade of brown, blue, green, or grey, depending on whatever your current eye colour is, than they actually are.

 

[Megnut]

"LE told us a witness didn't know eye color but said not blue??"

So, this witness was close enough to see that this person's eyes were NOT blue, but does not know what color his eyes actually were?

I've pondered this statement several times. How could it be? Is the witness color blind, only able to see blue?

I mean, most peoples eyes are what, blue, brown, green, hazel....how many colors do we have here?

Does the killer have two different colored eyes? Think about it, if I'm close enough to definitively state that your eyes are NOT blue, would I not notice if they were two different colors?

I don't get it. Help me out here

IMO blue eyes are just distinct. They're blue or they're not, but eyes that aren't blue can be light brown, dark brown, hazel, greenish brown, greyish brown, greige, etc.

I suspect that the witness could just definitively rule out blue because blue would've stood out. But couldn't pin down what other color they were.

As in

What color were his eyes?

I don't remember.

Blue or brown?

Blue? No, they weren't that.

...

Just speculation on my part.

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

"LE told us a witness didn't know eye color but said not blue??"

So, this witness was close enough to see that this person's eyes were NOT blue, but does not know what color his eyes actually were?

I've pondered this statement several times. How could it be? Is the witness color blind, only able to see blue?

I mean, most peoples eyes are what, blue, brown, green, hazel....how many colors do we have here?

Does the killer have two different colored eyes? Think about it, if I'm close enough to definitively state that your eyes are NOT blue, would I not notice if they were two different colors?

I don't get it. Help me out here

I've never understood why that info was even released. Only thing I can think of, was it a young person who saw him? Maybe they were only able to differentiate light or dark? Maybe younger people think of blue eyes as being more light in appearance? I myself have like a dark denim blue and my brother had a dark olive green. I suppose something like those, walking by at a glance, might be confusing and you could say "not blue"? Idk, just throwing it out there.

 

[cuecard]

I've never understood why that info was even released. Only thing I can think of, was it a young person who saw him? Maybe they were only able to differentiate light or dark? Maybe younger people think of blue eyes as being more light in appearance? I myself have like a dark denim blue and my brother had a dark olive green. I suppose something like those, walking by at a glance, might be confusing and you could say "not blue"? Idk, just throwing it out there.

I have brown eyes technically but they aren't dark brown and they aren't light brown. I have no idea what colour they are and whenever someone describes them to me they're like, "Huh, what colour of brown even is that?" Eyes are funny things and trying to pin point a colour when you pass someone - likely quickly - would be pretty difficult unless you were paying a lot of attention imo. Your comment about blue generally being light in appearance and therefore more noticeable is probably spot on.

 

[IceIce9]

Trial pushed back for Kegan Kline's child case | wthr.com

 

[MistyWaters]

Trial pushed back for Kegan Kline's child case | wthr.com

From your link - “Kline's pretrial conference was pushed to April 14 and his trial is set for Sept. 26. Kline had previously been set to stand trial in May.”

That’s a fairly big push, I do say.

 

[raja]

Yes. The affidavit begins by saying the FBI contacted the ISP Cyber Crimes unit regarding a man using the username anthony_shots, who was communicating with under-aged girls.

The FBI may have contacted ISP about KAK but could the FBI have had knowledge of KAK prior to the murders? I wonder if one of KAK's phones pinged in the area of Delphi around the times of the murder. Any information leading to A&L was more than likely wiped from KAK's Iphone5. Libby's phone had been reset just prior to the murder and any info leading back to anthony shots may have taken time to recover. We just don't know but I can not imagine if they could have connected A&L to KAK or any anthony shots profile in 2017 in any way this would not have been ignored. I still think that this info is what was in reference to when said "they were on to something early on". They received info from the FBI early in 2019 about the connection and this led to the new direction in 2019. This is all IMHO.

 

[TL4S]

The FBI may have contacted ISP about KAK but could the FBI have had knowledge of KAK prior to the murders? I wonder if one of KAK's phones pinged in the area of Delphi around the times of the murder. Any information leading to A&L was more than likely wiped from KAK's Iphone5. Libby's phone had been reset just prior to the murder and any info leading back to anthony shots may have taken time to recover. We just don't know but I can not imagine if they could have connected A&L to KAK or any anthony shots profile in 2017 in any way this would not have been ignored. I still think that this info is what was in reference to when said "they were on to something early on". They received info from the FBI early in 2019 about the connection and this led to the new direction in 2019. This is all IMHO.

Looking back at the April PC's "change of direction," it is easy to wonder if it was something related to a-shots, especially considering the younger sketch. So many questions!

 

[ReadySet]

Haven't you ever seen a person where you could tell if the person's eyes were light or dark but not what specific color? And blue eyes stand out compared to other light colored eyes like grey. Blue eyes are pretty distinctive, but hazel and brown not so much. I predict BG will have brown or hazel or greenish or greyish eyes. Not blue.

"LE told us a witness didn't know eye color but said not blue??"

So, this witness was close enough to see that this person's eyes were NOT blue, but does not know what color his eyes actually were?

I've pondered this statement several times. How could it be? Is the witness color blind, only able to see blue?

I mean, most peoples eyes are what, blue, brown, green, hazel....how many colors do we have here?

Does the killer have two different colored eyes? Think about it, if I'm close enough to definitively state that your eyes are NOT blue, would I not notice if they were two different colors?

I don't get it. Help me out here

 

[TL4S]

Ever since HLN's interview with KAK, I've been bothered by something. In his interview on the affidavit, he claims to have received pictures from every girl he communicated with (can we assume the majority of these were inappropriate?). Then, during the HLN interview, we hear that LE says KAK was the last person to communicate with L on the day they were murdered. So, if we follow that train of thought, maybe KAK had pictures of L. That doesn't make him a killer, but it is certainly unsettling...

ETA: Also concerning is his admission to meeting girls on IG then moving communications onto SC. Platforms we know L was using during that time, including the day of the murders. I know this is all obvious and already known, but it's disturbingly coincidental, imo.

 

[Falcon500]

I've never understood why that info was even released. Only thing I can think of, was it a young person who saw him? Maybe they were only able to differentiate light or dark? Maybe younger people think of blue eyes as being more light in appearance? I myself have like a dark denim blue and my brother had a dark olive green. I suppose something like those, walking by at a glance, might be confusing and you could say "not blue"? Idk, just throwing it out there.

If you have a brief encounter with a stranger do you remember or even look at the color of his eyes? No. I don’t understand the obsession with this eye color thing. It only hurts the case in the event of an arrest and trial.

 

[Greenra219]

If you have a brief encounter with a stranger do you remember or even look at the color of his eyes? No. I don’t understand the obsession with this eye color thing. It only hurts the case in the event of an arrest and trial.

Agreed. I also don’t understand all the talk about his gait. Nobody would have a natural gait while walking over that bridge.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

"LE told us a witness didn't know eye color but said not blue??"

So, this witness was close enough to see that this person's eyes were NOT blue, but does not know what color his eyes actually were?

I've pondered this statement several times. How could it be? Is the witness color blind, only able to see blue?

I mean, most peoples eyes are what, blue, brown, green, hazel....how many colors do we have here?

Does the killer have two different colored eyes? Think about it, if I'm close enough to definitively state that your eyes are NOT blue, would I not notice if they were two different colors?

I don't get it. Help me out here

I agree, that sounds like an odd thing to say. You either saw his eyes or you didn’t. Personally I think blue eyes stand out more than greens or browns. So if she didn’t see blue, then they were a dark color. IMO

 

[Deleted member 229974]

If you have a brief encounter with a stranger do you remember or even look at the color of his eyes? No. I don’t understand the obsession with this eye color thing. It only hurts the case in the event of an arrest and trial.

Unless they had piercing blue eyes, ala Paul Newman, Steve McQueen, Paul Walker, Bradley Cooper, you’d notice it. IMO

 

[TheVisual]

Ever since HLN's interview with KAK, I've been bothered by something. In his interview on the affidavit, he claims to have received pictures from every girl he communicated with (can we assume the majority of these were inappropriate?). Then, during the HLN interview, we hear that LE says KAK was the last person to communicate with L on the day they were murdered. So, if we follow that train of thought, maybe KAK had pictures of L. That doesn't make him a killer, but it is certainly unsettling...

ETA: Also concerning is his admission to meeting girls on IG then moving communications onto SC. Platforms we know L was using during that time, including the day of the murders. I know this is all obvious and already known, but it's disturbingly coincidental, imo.

Could Libby have been taking the picture of Abby to SEND to anthony_shots to show him Abby was at the bridge. Unbeknownst to her what he really was.

 

[FrostedGlass]

On page 2 of the probable cause affidavit, I'm really curious about the redactions regarding the polygraph test. The first one says Keegan and Sergeant Collins "spoke about this incident and case, (redaction)." The second one says "Keegan's polygraph questions were based on case, (redaction)."

Are the redactions a case number?

 

[Lavender Moon]

I have brown eyes technically but they aren't dark brown and they aren't light brown. I have no idea what colour they are and whenever someone describes them to me they're like, "Huh, what colour of brown even is that?" Eyes are funny things and trying to pin point a colour when you pass someone - likely quickly - would be pretty difficult unless you were paying a lot of attention imo. Your comment about blue generally being light in appearance and therefore more noticeable is probably spot on.

I wonder if there's something unusual about Bridge Creep's eyes.

 

[TL4S]

On page 2 of the probable cause affidavit, I'm really curious about the redactions regarding the polygraph test. The first one says Keegan and Sergeant Collins "spoke about this incident and case, (redaction)." The second one says "Keegan's polygraph questions were based on case, (redaction)."

Are the redactions a case number?

This is what I've always been curious about, as well. Is it the Delphi murders investigation, a CSAM investigation, or what? Is important because it specifies this was the case the polygraph was in regards to.

 

[FrostedGlass]

This is what I've always been curious about, as well. Is it the Delphi murders investigation, a CSAM investigation, or what? Is important because it specifies this was the case the polygraph was in regards to.

If the redacted part is an actual case number, then that leads me to believe there was another person already arrested. However, I've seen other numbers listed in cases... so it just leaves more questions.

Here is an example of 2 other types of numbers; these are both in his active court case:

Prosecutor Case Management Number: 52C01-2008-F4-DM1633683
Police Agency Number: 17ISPC002202

 

[minazoe]

I wonder if there's something unusual about Bridge Creep's eyes.

yeah they are probably black and cold and a bottomless pit. mOO