Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #143

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

3 Clues to Recognize Bipolar Disorder Mania in the Eyes | Psychology Today
''Once I started asking clients to notice eye changes in a loved one, I heard many stories of how dysphoric mania turned the eyes black. An eye doctor explained, “Oh, I’m not surprised by that. It’s documented that adrenaline can make the pupil take over the eye. Mania sounds like it’s something to do with adrenaline, so I would think the eye is the same color, but the pupil is huge. This creates the the all black eye.”

Source: JulieFast/Private
''A thought to ponder: People also report eye color changes when manic. One reader sent me a picture where her normal blue eyes turned brown during a dysphoric manic episode.''

rbbm.
The Science of Eye Color | Fort Lauderdale Eye Institute (flei.com)
''Change your mood, change your color
The iris is the part of the eye that carries the color. It is a muscle that expands and contracts to control the size of the pupil. The pupil gets bigger in low light and smaller in bright light. It also changes shape based on what you are doing, shrinking when you are doing close up things such as reading.

The cool thing is that when the pupil changes size, the pigments in the iris compress or spread apart. This changes the eye color to a degree.

The pupil can change size with certain emotions, thus changing the iris color dispersion and the eye color. You’ve probably heard people say your eyes change color when you’re angry, and that probably is true.''

An I just say “WOW”!?!
Was I the only one who started googling and researching this right away??!?

I really love and appreciate everyone one WS who share their extensive knowledge about various topics that I have no understanding of.

IMHO you who do share your thoughts and intelligence (sometimes extensive knowledge) with us is a wonderful blessing.
I don’t know how anyone else feels about this, but for me, you (all) vastly help me to understand these facts and topics that you’ve acquired throughout your lifetime.

I’m so grateful to be apart of this forum because I am always learning about new subjects. Subjects that help me to understand different aspects of missing persons cases, persons who are murdered, murders themselves and so much more! I truly love learning new things.
A big thanks to all who share your specialized expertise with me (is)!

JMVHO. YMMV.

 

[minazoe]

I think, if BG had taken some "stuff", his eyes would have been darker also (because of wide pupils).

depends what stuff you are talking about.

 

[Lavender Moon]

I think, if BG had taken some "stuff", his eyes would have been darker also (because of wide pupils).

Or the hypothetical "stuff" might have contracted the pupils to pinpoints.

 

[dotr]

Could BG use some Bundy affectations when it comes to altering his appearance and persona? amateur speculation, imo. rbbm. snippets..
Ted Bundy's Many Faces: How the Serial Killer Was Able to Change His Appearance So Easily - A&E True Crime (aetv.com)
2021 by ADAM JANOS
'' Bundy had a chameleon-like ability to deftly change appearances—whether physically or with the help of costumes and props—which helps explain why the vicious killer was able to evade the law for so long.''

''Later, Bundy turned his disguise work into something of an art form.
In 1969, at age 22, Bundy enrolled at Temple University in Philadelphia for a semester, where he took classes in acting and stage makeup.''

''According to the author, during his Bundy interviews the killer’s face would physically change with his mood.
It started with his eyes.
“His true day-to-day eye color… He had these kind of pretty blue eyes,” says Michaud. “But when he really got going, his eyes got black.”

''Neary recalled a “sharp, thin nose,” but little else about the killer’s appearance.
But when seen straight on, Michaud says, the prominence of that nose would disappear and the witness’s focus would go to his eyes.
In addition to the blackened eyes, Michaud also says when Bundy would concentrate hard on something, it would cause temporary facial discolorations and swelling.''

“His weight changed a lot,” Michaud says. “A few pounds one way or another would change his aspect very dramatically.”

The Ancient World and the Murderer's Eyes | Psychology Today
''Trust of the serial killers was about two-thirds the trust of normal people, based on nothing more than a view of the eyes.
Did respondents “like” serial killers? Not very much; respondents found serial killers only about half as likable as the non-murderous, based, again, only on their eyes.''

 

[Seenit]

3 Clues to Recognize Bipolar Disorder Mania in the Eyes | Psychology Today
''Once I started asking clients to notice eye changes in a loved one, I heard many stories of how dysphoric mania turned the eyes black. An eye doctor explained, “Oh, I’m not surprised by that. It’s documented that adrenaline can make the pupil take over the eye. Mania sounds like it’s something to do with adrenaline, so I would think the eye is the same color, but the pupil is huge. This creates the the all black eye.”

Source: JulieFast/Private
''A thought to ponder: People also report eye color changes when manic. One reader sent me a picture where her normal blue eyes turned brown during a dysphoric manic episode.''

rbbm.
The Science of Eye Color | Fort Lauderdale Eye Institute (flei.com)
''Change your mood, change your color
The iris is the part of the eye that carries the color. It is a muscle that expands and contracts to control the size of the pupil. The pupil gets bigger in low light and smaller in bright light. It also changes shape based on what you are doing, shrinking when you are doing close up things such as reading.

The cool thing is that when the pupil changes size, the pigments in the iris compress or spread apart. This changes the eye color to a degree.

The pupil can change size with certain emotions, thus changing the iris color dispersion and the eye color. You’ve probably heard people say your eyes change color when you’re angry, and that probably is true.''

Fascinating! Thanks for sharing.

 

[LeBlack]

I think, if BG had taken some "stuff", his eyes would have been darker also (because of wide pupils).

Ted Bundy would drink before going trolling for victims

 

[Lavender Moon]

Ted Bundy would drink before going trolling for victims

That's right. I think it's possible that Bridge Creep may have been under the influence of some sort of substance. I'm thinking alcohol and/or amphetamines.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

That's right. I think it's possible that Bridge Creep may have been under the influence of some sort of substance. I'm thinking alcohol and/or amphetamines.

I just wanted to share that I love that you refer to him as Bridge Creep.
moo.

 

[Lavender Moon]

I just wanted to share that I love that you refer to him as Bridge Creep.
moo.

I call 'em like I see 'em.

 

[Ozoner]

That's right. I think it's possible that Bridge Creep may have been under the influence of some sort of substance. I'm thinking alcohol and/or amphetamines.

What evidence led you to that conclusion?

 

[dotr]

Re post Feb 2022
Delphi killings update: ISP says case could be solved in 3 years (wrtv.com)
''We also continue to encourage the submission of valid and valuable information which will help us to attain the goal of justice for our precious Abby and Libby. Thank you to all who have come alongside us in our ongoing efforts."
Indiana State Police detectives are still asking for tips.

Photo Provided/Indiana State Police
Indiana State Police shared this graphic seeking information on the homicide suspect who killed Abby Williams and Libby German in February 2017 in Delphi.
Investigators would like any individual that communicated with, met, or attempted to meet the anthony_shots profile to contact law enforcement at abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com or 765-822-3535.

Detectives are asking for as much information as possible, including:
When you communicated with anthony_shots
How you communicated with the profile
What social media applications the account used
If anthony_shots attempted to meet you or obtain your address
Remember the following things when submitting a tip:

• Be specific as possible to a description
• Name and age if possible
• A connection to Delphi and that person’s location or address at this time
• Leaving information on how detectives can contact you for possible clarification of your tip is helpful but not required

Tips can remain anonymous.
Tip Information Contacts
e-Mail: abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com
Tip Line: (844) 459-5786
Indiana State Police: (800) 382-7537
Carroll County Sheriff: (765) 564-2413''

 

[somequestions]

Re post Feb 2022
Delphi killings update: ISP says case could be solved in 3 years (wrtv.com)
''We also continue to encourage the submission of valid and valuable information which will help us to attain the goal of justice for our precious Abby and Libby. Thank you to all who have come alongside us in our ongoing efforts."
Indiana State Police detectives are still asking for tips.

Photo Provided/Indiana State Police
Indiana State Police shared this graphic seeking information on the homicide suspect who killed Abby Williams and Libby German in February 2017 in Delphi.
Investigators would like any individual that communicated with, met, or attempted to meet the anthony_shots profile to contact law enforcement at abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com or 765-822-3535.

Detectives are asking for as much information as possible, including:
When you communicated with anthony_shots
How you communicated with the profile
What social media applications the account used
If anthony_shots attempted to meet you or obtain your address
Remember the following things when submitting a tip:

• Be specific as possible to a description
• Name and age if possible
• A connection to Delphi and that person’s location or address at this time
• Leaving information on how detectives can contact you for possible clarification of your tip is helpful but not required

Tips can remain anonymous.
Tip Information Contacts
e-Mail: abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com
Tip Line: (844) 459-5786
Indiana State Police: (800) 382-7537
Carroll County Sheriff: (765) 564-2413''

I do not understand why people believe the time aspect in any case or try and rationalize it.

In lots of murder and missing person cases, and ones that are even older than this one, police often say that they just need that one tip, that one missing piece of the puzzle.

 

[Lavender Moon]

What evidence led you to that conclusion?

No evidence , I'm afraid. Only speculation. It seems to me that alcohol and/or amphetamines are often consumed by perps prior to making their attacks.

 

[Ozoner]

No evidence , I'm afraid. Only speculation. It seems to me that alcohol and/or amphetamines are often consumed by perps prior to making their attacks.

It could be. I don't know much about methamphetamines, though. Could a perp take methamphetamines and still be able to maintain his compusure the way BG did? BG seemed cold, calculating, and in total control.

 

[bbellinbb]

I Know this Comment is Out of the Blue … ha …But May I just ask a question about his clothing in the Video ??? I know this is not exactly or even likely Pertinent Information that would necessarily help nail him , however ,
Is everyone in Agreeance Or what does everyone exactly “think” about his clothing?
Mainly his Mid-Section ? Bc I have heard many people speculate about a fanny pack like deal and such But to me , initially, it just seemed like the bottom of his shirt was hanging down … & I truly am not bringing this up to dispute or anything of that nature bc I think regardless of what it is , it def most likely Will Not be the one thing we should focus on in order to catch him , however , All I keep thinking is ….
If it Were a Shirt let’s say , & to me, it looks similar to a flannel style button up …
So Here is what I am wondering from everyone else … ???
Is Everyone Basically in Agreeance that
*It Def Seems Like He Has Got This BlueCoat Stuffed with some extra material I guess you could say underneath …. Right ?
I mean obviously we pretty much know he is packing a gun and knife/knives in there somewhere BUT it really looks to me like he has extra clothing stuffed around the Mid Section which could very likely be the Clothing that he Used to escape the crime scene cleanly…
I mean let’s just pretend and say he strategically had a hoodie or something placed around his mid section under the coat , BC This Was Extremely Well Planned & Thought Out (regardless of who the victims were)(rip A&L) …
This Guy Had a Plan &
I just look @ that picture and it looks like there is clothing stuffed in there which would yes obviously make him look heavier & disguise him initially , but it would also mean that he could have used that to throw on really fast after he committed the crime and have a completely different appearance & cover up blood if it was there …
Is everyone pretty much on the same page here ? Or No ?
I am new here to WS , Hi Everyone
Hope You Are All Doing Well & Please Let’s Put these Pieces Together !!!
I Think it is a very very Complicated Case & I think we are all eventually going to see that this is really a Case like No Other !!! Imo
Is Everyone Else Kinda on the Same Page ?

 

[Lavender Moon]

It could be. I don't know much about methamphetamines, though. Could a perp take methamphetamines and still be able to maintain his compusure the way BG did? BG seemed cold, calculating, and in total control.

I think a perp could take meth and maintain composure. I've known people who took meth at their jobs and functioned well.

 

[FrostedGlass]

I think a perp could take meth and maintain composure. I've known people who took meth at their jobs and functioned well.

My top theory has always been he was a meth addict there to make a drug deal. If he saw the girls taking pictures, that could have tripped his paranoia about snitches.

 

[Ozoner]

My top theory has always been he was a meth addict there to make a drug deal. If he saw the girls taking pictures, that could have tripped his paranoia about snitches.

We've heard that Libby's underwear were found in the creek, which strongly suggests a sexual component to the crime.
Also, if BG was paranoid, why would he conduct a drug deal in a public place? Besides, no one else was around, so no deal was occurring at the time that he anducted Abby and Libby.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

I do not understand why people believe the time aspect in any case or try and rationalize it.

In lots of murder and missing person cases, and ones that are even older than this one, police often say that they just need that one tip, that one missing piece of the puzzle.

IMO I think it’s because there is a video of him. (not to mention the audio, but really putting emphasis on the video aspect).

YMMV.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

No evidence , I'm afraid. Only speculation. It seems to me that alcohol and/or amphetamines are often consumed by perps prior to making their attacks.

Maybe not all the time but definitely some of the time.
I’m unsure if this could be true, BUT I do know what my mom, who used to be addict, said about how she felt when she freebased cocaine; she felt like she was on top of the world and could do anything. So there’s that.
Also I’ve been told by many other people that snorting Adderall gives them a similar feeling as to what my mom experienced when she was high on coke. I’ve never snorted Adderall so I don’t know. But looking arbitrary this perspective based on what many people have told me seems to be legit.
Now I think I could see the possibility of him doing meth as I’ve read in many places that meth is popular in Indiana.
For reference: Methamphetamine - Indiana Drug Threat Assessment
ETA: JMO