Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #143

[somequestions]

IMO I think it’s because there is a video of him. (not to mention the audio, but really putting emphasis on the video aspect).

YMMV.

I think a lot of people probably thought this case would be solved quickly. That is what I thought at the beginning. I agree the video is probably one of the reasons why. It was the details concerning the clothing in the video that got me so caught up in thinking what I thought. I am not going to write it again.

Unfortunately, many people wear blue jeans. There are many different types of winter hats. There are many different types of blue jackets. And the video is too grainy and pixelated to come to any sort of identification.

 

[Lavender Moon]

I Know this Comment is Out of the Blue … ha …But May I just ask a question about his clothing in the Video ??? I know this is not exactly or even likely Pertinent Information that would necessarily help nail him , however ,
Is everyone in Agreeance Or what does everyone exactly “think” about his clothing?
Mainly his Mid-Section ? Bc I have heard many people speculate about a fanny pack like deal and such But to me , initially, it just seemed like the bottom of his shirt was hanging down … & I truly am not bringing this up to dispute or anything of that nature bc I think regardless of what it is , it def most likely Will Not be the one thing we should focus on in order to catch him , however , All I keep thinking is ….
If it Were a Shirt let’s say , & to me, it looks similar to a flannel style button up …
So Here is what I am wondering from everyone else … ???
Is Everyone Basically in Agreeance that
*It Def Seems Like He Has Got This BlueCoat Stuffed with some extra material I guess you could say underneath …. Right ?
I mean obviously we pretty much know he is packing a gun and knife/knives in there somewhere BUT it really looks to me like he has extra clothing stuffed around the Mid Section which could very likely be the Clothing that he Used to escape the crime scene cleanly…
I mean let’s just pretend and say he strategically had a hoodie or something placed around his mid section under the coat , BC This Was Extremely Well Planned & Thought Out (regardless of who the victims were)(rip A&L) …
This Guy Had a Plan &
I just look @ that picture and it looks like there is clothing stuffed in there which would yes obviously make him look heavier & disguise him initially , but it would also mean that he could have used that to throw on really fast after he committed the crime and have a completely different appearance & cover up blood if it was there …
Is everyone pretty much on the same page here ? Or No ?
I am new here to WS , Hi Everyone
Hope You Are All Doing Well & Please Let’s Put these Pieces Together !!!
I Think it is a very very Complicated Case & I think we are all eventually going to see that this is really a Case like No Other !!! Imo
Is Everyone Else Kinda on the Same Page ?

Welcome to Websleuths, bbellinbb. I also think he probably had extra clothing for the purpose of disguise .

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

I think a lot of people probably thought this case would be solved quickly. That is what I thought at the beginning. I agree the video is probably one of the reasons why. It was the details concerning the clothing in the video that got me so caught up in thinking what I thought. I am not going to write it again.

Unfortunately, many people wear blue jeans. There are many different types of winter hats. There are many different types of blue jackets. And the video is too grainy and pixelated to come to any sort of identification.

Out of curiosity I wonder if LE know more about his specific clothing/attire.
There’s apart of me that thinks ‘most definitely’ and then there’s the other part that thinks ‘more than likely, no’.

Just thinking out loud.

 

[somequestions]

Out of curiosity I wonder if LE know more about his specific clothing/attire.
There’s apart of me that thinks ‘most definitely’ and then there’s the other part that thinks ‘more than likely, no’.

Just thinking out loud.

I thought the blue jacket might not be a jacket, but a blue windbreaker. But there are lots of different blue windbreakers. There is a reason I thought this. Then I get caught up again in thinking over and over that I might be right.

 

[Yemelyan]

Out of curiosity I wonder if LE know more about his specific clothing/attire.
There’s apart of me that thinks ‘most definitely’ and then there’s the other part that thinks ‘more than likely, no’.

Just thinking out loud.

There are two things that make me think LE do know more about the clothing. Both things came from the HLN "Down the Hill" special. One is TL saying that they have had many people turn in blue jackets, but not "THE" blue jacket. So they must know this...but how? There are many possibilities.

The second was TL saying, again from the HLN special, that from what he knows there are elements in the video that investigators are still looking into and that he believes will come up at trial. So I have to wonder if one or more of these elements in the video have to do with the identification of the clothing. Just some thoughts.

 

[TL4S]

There are two things that make me think LE do know more about the clothing. Both things came from the HLN "Down the Hill" special. One is TL saying that they have had many people turn in blue jackets, but not "THE" blue jacket. So they must know this...but how? There are many possibilities.

The second was TL saying, again from the HLN special, that from what he knows there are elements in the video that investigators are still looking into and that he believes will come up at trial. So I have to wonder if one or more of these elements in the video have to do with the identification of the clothing. Just some thoughts.

TL's comment on not "THE" blue jacket always struck me. Could it maybe mean they have fiber evidence?

 

[FrostedGlass]

TL's comment on not "THE" blue jacket always struck me. Could it maybe mean they have fiber evidence?

If it was a lightweight jacket, it could have gotten ripped and left fibers or a piece behind.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

There are two things that make me think LE do know more about the clothing. Both things came from the HLN "Down the Hill" special. One is TL saying that they have had many people turn in blue jackets, but not "THE" blue jacket. So they must know this...but how? There are many possibilities.

The second was TL saying, again from the HLN special, that from what he knows there are elements in the video that investigators are still looking into and that he believes will come up at trial. So I have to wonder if one or more of these elements in the video have to do with the identification of the clothing. Just some thoughts.

I had forgotten about those two statements but I remember thinking at the time that those were very interesting.
The part about LE still looking into the video seemed to indicate that they might have a clearer version of it than what we’ve seen, but then the question becomes why they wouldn’t share that with the public. We now know there is considerably more than the two seconds we’ve been allowed to see, so is it something on that part?
So what would they be looking into on the video that would be noteworthy enough to come up in trial.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

TL's comment on not "THE" blue jacket always struck me. Could it maybe mean they have fiber evidence?

I hadn’t even thought of that possibility. That would be huge if true!

 

[Ozoner]

I hadn’t even thought of that possibility. That would be huge if true!

Most jackets like that have tightly woven polyester shells that wouldn't shed many fibers, but anything's possible.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Personally I don’t think it was drug related, in my experience (to clarify, worked in justice system) most drug deals are done in parking lots not down hiking trails.

I’ve always felt the girls were catfished, I think they were going there to meet someone. I have even entertained the idea that the person they were going to meet is not BG.

I don’t necessarily subscribe to the idea that it was sexually motivated.

Just a hypothetical, A & L see BG and make a joke about his height (I really think he was 5’6” or shorter based on initial estimates and his bunched up pants). I know some short guys that are very sensitive about their height, he decides to teach them a lesson and ends up killing them.

Then along comes the catfish looking for the girls, YBG, but doesn’t find them. But people see him on the trail and the second sketch is created.

 

[Ozoner]

Personally I don’t think it was drug related, in my experience (to clarify, worked in justice system) most drug deals are done in parking lots not down hiking trails.

I’ve always felt the girls were catfished, I think they were going there to meet someone. I have even entertained the idea that the person they were going to meet is not BG.

I don’t necessarily subscribe to the idea that it was sexually motivated.

Just a hypothetical, A & L see BG and make a joke about his height (I really think he was 5’6” or shorter based on initial estimates and his bunched up pants). I know some short guys that are very sensitive about their height, he decides to teach them a lesson and ends up killing them.

Then along comes the catfish looking for the girls, YBG, but doesn’t find them. But people see him on the trail and the second sketch is created.

That sounds like the plot of an Agatha Christie novel!

I don't think the girls were catfished because there's no evidence for it. They didn't say anything to their friends about any plans to meet with someone; the time that they went was dictated by Libby's sister's schedule, so the girls didn't get to choose a time; the audio of the girls apparently doesn't suggest that they were there to meet someone; and Abby's mother doesn't think that Abby would have gone to meet a boy without a lot of primping.

 

[TL4S]

At the April 2019 press conference, DC addressed the killer, saying, "We know this is about control to you." Imo, an adult man having a need to control two young girls very much suggests a sexual motive. That's just my personal perspective, though. Especially when I also consider the presence of signatures at the crime scene and LE withholding the COD. Jmo.

 

[TL4S]

If it was a lightweight jacket, it could have gotten ripped and left fibers or a piece behind.

Yes. I've said it many times before, but the one thing that remained the same through both sketches was the hair color: reddish-brown. Again, this could be something the witnesses simply agreed on, but I've always suspected that perhaps there is hair evidence. My personal feeling is that there was likely a struggle, to some extent, and if BG had a hat on, it easily could have been knocked off, shedding hair. Even a hoodie being up and then falling off might shed hair. A struggle could have ripped or shed fibers from the jacket, or other clothing. Having gone through the creek, anything shedding from one person to another likely stuck because of being wet. Jmo.

 

[AC4RD]

Out of curiosity I wonder if LE know more about his specific clothing/attire.
There’s apart of me that thinks ‘most definitely’ and then there’s the other part that thinks ‘more than likely, no’.

That's another of the great unanswered questions, IMO, Aspie! Law enforcement definitely knows a lot more than they have told us; they've got all those interviews and all the collected evidence and all the investigation they've done so far. But what specific items they do know, and what they suspect but aren't certain of; what data they have in hand, about what, and what they wish they knew about what--all of this is Terra Incognita to those of us on the outside.

MHO: the more they actually do know, the closer they are to an arrest and the more certain a conviction will occur. But how much do they know? Here, five years out from the murders, it isn't easy for me to feel confident about an arrest and conviction. :-(

 

[Ekliptika]

TL's comment on not "THE" blue jacket always struck me. Could it maybe mean they have fiber evidence?

Interesting thought. When I heard TL say the quote about “many people turn in blue jackets, but not "THE" blue jacket” my initial thought was that LE have THE jacket already. How else Will they know that one of the jackets handed in is not THE jacket?

 

[Lavender Moon]

Interesting thought. When I heard TL say the quote about “many people turn in blue jackets, but not "THE" blue jacket” my initial thought was that LE have THE jacket already. How else Will they know that one of the jackets handed in is not THE jacket?

I'm thinking the fibers from the jackets handed in do not match fibers collected from the crime scene.

 

[Ekliptika]

I'm thinking the fibers from the jackets handed in do not match fibers collected from the crime scene.

Agree, this is probably a more likely explanation and not one I have thought of before.

 

[Ravenmoon]

TL's comment on not "THE" blue jacket always struck me. Could it maybe mean they have fiber evidence?

Could it be that they already HAVE the blue jacket?

AMOO MOO JMO

 

[Lavender Moon]

Could it be that they already HAVE the blue jacket?

AMOO MOO JMO

Maybe they have the jacket; or maybe they have fibers from it.