Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #143

[Prime8]

If you go to the link on youtube, there is a way to view transcripts.

The reason that I added this interview is because the guests on the show obtained the full full interview AND a 194 page document that has some information they will be releasing in 2 parts. One is the about the charges against KAK, the second more about questions regarding the Delphi case in particular. According to the 2 people Gray is interviewing , the information is being released after redactions are made.
Part one will be released on March 15th.
Part 2 will be released on March 22nd.

AMOO MOO JMO

Thanks! I've been following the info they've been releasing on their podcast but just want to skim through the video content for the relevant info.

 

[flashy09]

Is KAK someone, to whom "it is all about power" and who tried to be involved with the investigation? I think, that doesn't fit at all. He is a poor little sausage, who is perverse. IMO

I don't know if a KAK is the one, but someone all about power could quite likely be someone who doesn't have a lot of power in real life. Carter also called him a coward.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

agreed. That’s why I can’t let it KK/TK go. I read something about the investigation that said, basically, you start with a lead or suspect and you try to rule the person out. If they are still interested in the father, it means for a year and a half (since Aug 2020) they haven’t been able to rule him out even though it seems KK is alibying for him? Something is up. I’m interested in this next information drop.

I was thinking about some thing… We know that KAK rolled on himself pretty quickly, what we don’t know is why. I’m sure there are many potential reasons but my initial thought is because he is trying to protect his dad (for whatever unbeknownst reason(s) to us).

m()()

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Yes, I’m thinking JBC could perhaps know KAK via KAK’s father. I don’t know how old he is though.

He’s 53.

ETA: M00

 

[JnRyan]

Again, assuming BG is not someone on LE’s radar, there’s nothing to say, imo, that he hasn’t killed again already.

If he has, and/or does again in the future and he is investigated in that crime, that may certainly be one way he is caught and BG is identified.

Also, I’m not sure his next or other crimes will necessarily be similar to Abby’s and Libby’s. It could be an adult, single victim.

That this killer had killed before or since is something I also believe is possible. The other murder or murders could be a different victim type and LE may not have DNA at the other site or the same signatures. In fact, his other victim or victims could be classified as missing and LE doesn't have a crime scene or a body - that is, nothing for a connection for LE.

 

[JnRyan]

There's a very similar story about the guy who murdered Morgan Harrington. He was a cab driver. After the connection was made to an earlier rape and the perp sketch developed, the other drivers were joking with him about how much he looked like the sketch. But nobody called it in, and he went on to murder at least one other woman.

I remember that case. Her killer went on to murder the UVA coed, Hannah Graham. Murder of Hannah Graham - Wikipedia

 

[minazoe]

horrid case, violent, violent killer. horrible. god bless those poor girls.

 

[sandy_80]

documents or not.. they are just pushing a narrative that suits them...
take notice that non are even announced as suspects...
ppl keep going over the ( the profile ) that le asked for info about.. but they are also asking about two sketches that we dont know how possibly they can be linked to one killer

 

[mekeritrig]

documents or not.. they are just pushing a narrative that suits them...

Who is 'they' and what exactly is the narrative you think is being pushed?

 

[Snow_In _June]

The Delphi Murders Of Abby & Libby


When I first started following this case it caught my attention whilst on Websleuths following other cases.

I think like every other person following the Abby & Libby case every single possible scenario has crossed my mind over the last five years.

I have nearly always had two persons of interest and over the last five years they haven't changed.

They are still there hiding in plain sight. And no I haven't tipped them in

• Because I am almost positive one has been tipped in
  
  
• Because it’s a personal thought from 1000’s of miles away based on nothing more than a hunch.
  

I have now come to the personal conclusion that the double murder of Abby and Libby have led Law Enforcement onto something wider that also needs resolving in order to save lives in the future.

I am almost sure they know who killed Libby and Abby and Why. I am now personally equally as sure the investigative strategies had to change because the sad deaths of Libby and Abby highlighted a problem bigger than the Girls, the Family, Delphi, The County, the State and the Nation.

Sadly that means one thing in my mind.


There is a very cruel nasty ring of people out there that need to be taken out of action and put behind bars.


It is my hope that

• Investigators
• FBI
• Task Forces
• US Marshals
• Law Enforcement
• Sheriff

Are joining the dots and looking for the key pieces of the puzzle

I Quite simply think one investigation overlapped another

One last thing Doug Carter encouraged us to continue what we were doing in Feb 22 “ Keep Talking about it”

Hence my post

 

[TTF14]

The Delphi Murders Of Abby & Libby


When I first started following this case it caught my attention whilst on Websleuths following other cases.

I think like every other person following the Abby & Libby case every single possible scenario has crossed my mind over the last five years.

I have nearly always had two persons of interest and over the last five years they haven't changed.

They are still there hiding in plain sight. And no I haven't tipped them in

• Because I am almost positive one has been tipped in
  
  
• Because it’s a personal thought from 1000’s of miles away based on nothing more than a hunch.

I have now come to the personal conclusion that the double murder of Abby and Libby have led Law Enforcement onto something wider that also needs resolving in order to save lives in the future.

I am almost sure they know who killed Libby and Abby and Why. I am now personally equally as sure the investigative strategies had to change because the sad deaths of Libby and Abby highlighted a problem bigger than the Girls, the Family, Delphi, The County, the State and the Nation.

Sadly that means one thing in my mind.


There is a very cruel nasty ring of people out there that need to be taken out of action and put behind bars.


It is my hope that

• Investigators
• FBI
• Task Forces
• US Marshals
• Law Enforcement
• Sheriff

Are joining the dots and looking for the key pieces of the puzzle

I Quite simply think one investigation overlapped another

One last thing Doug Carter encouraged us to continue what we were doing in Feb 22 “ Keep Talking about it”

Hence my post

I agree 100% with every word.

 

[Snow_In _June]

Since Gray is approved, I thought that I might share this :

Gray Hughes at his by far the best I have ever seen him.Great Interview

 

[sandy_80]

Who is 'they' and what exactly is the narrative you think is being pushed?

the murder sheet podcast
that kak or his dad or both are BG

 

[mekeritrig]

The FBI's unknown suspect page for the Delphi homicides was updated earlier this week to remove the height and weight categories from the suspect description. An archived copy of the page from this past Wednesday (Mar 9th, 2022) shows the listed height and weight of the suspect as 5'6"-5'10" and 180-200 lbs. As of today, those fields were eliminated from the page as well as from the downloadable pdf of the wanted poster.

Someone consciously went and edited the page. Very curious that they did that with the recent news about KK and TK who seemed larger that that description. Could be nothing more than them trying to align their page with the ISP's homicide investigation page which has never listed those attributes but the timing is interesting.

Link to March 9, 2022 archived copy of FBI suspect page

Link to current page

 

[cujenn81]

The FBI's unknown suspect page for the Delphi homicides was updated earlier this week to remove the height and weight categories from the suspect description. An archived copy of the page from this past Wednesday (Mar 9th, 2022) shows the listed height and weight of the suspect as 5'6"-5'10" and 180-200 lbs. As of today, those fields were eliminated from the page as well as from the downloadable pdf of the wanted poster.

Someone consciously went and edited the page. Very curious that they did that with the recent news about KK and TK who seemed larger that that description. Could be nothing more than them trying to align their page with the ISP's homicide investigation page which has never listed those attributes but the timing is interesting.

Link to March 9, 2022 archived copy of FBI suspect page

Link to current page

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Wow… good eye!

 

[Prime8]

documents or not.. they are just pushing a narrative that suits them...
take notice that non are even announced as suspects...
ppl keep going over the ( the profile ) that le asked for info about.. but they are also asking about two sketches that we dont know how possibly they can be linked to one killer

LE hasn't and isn't going to name suspects publicly. News outlets are also going to tread lightly as to not get sued. I'm not married to the KAK/KAK dad theory, although I find it interesting. But the documents are certainly more information that we've received regarding anything surrounding this investigation.

 

[MistyWaters]

The FBI's unknown suspect page for the Delphi homicides was updated earlier this week to remove the height and weight categories from the suspect description. An archived copy of the page from this past Wednesday (Mar 9th, 2022) shows the listed height and weight of the suspect as 5'6"-5'10" and 180-200 lbs. As of today, those fields were eliminated from the page as well as from the downloadable pdf of the wanted poster.

Someone consciously went and edited the page. Very curious that they did that with the recent news about KK and TK who seemed larger that that description. Could be nothing more than them trying to align their page with the ISP's homicide investigation page which has never listed those attributes but the timing is interesting.

Link to March 9, 2022 archived copy of FBI suspect page

Link to current page

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Very interesting! I noticed a couple weeks ago or so the “Eye Color -Unknown” description was missing from the poster but estimated weight and height was still there at that time. But presently the “Age - Approximately 18 to 40 years old but may appear younger” is unchanged, and only the young guy sketch is still being featured.

 

[FromGermany1]

The FBI's unknown suspect page for the Delphi homicides was updated earlier this week to remove the height and weight categories from the suspect description. An archived copy of the page from this past Wednesday (Mar 9th, 2022) shows the listed height and weight of the suspect as 5'6"-5'10" and 180-200 lbs. As of today, those fields were eliminated from the page as well as from the downloadable pdf of the wanted poster.

Someone consciously went and edited the page. Very curious that they did that with the recent news about KK and TK who seemed larger that that description. Could be nothing more than them trying to align their page with the ISP's homicide investigation page which has never listed those attributes but the timing is interesting.

Link to March 9, 2022 archived copy of FBI suspect page

Link to current page

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The BG maybe "involved in the murders" now. I thought, sometime earlier it was said, he is the killer?

 

[Greenra219]

Thank you so much for this video! Wow, it really helps to see the area.

1) You showed several houses near the trail as you walked along. I did not realize that people lived so close to the trail. Brazen of BG.

2) You also noted that the lack of leaves meant great visibility. Exactly! In addition, BG attacks and kills Abby and Libby in broad daylight. So exposed yet he still chose this area. Why?

No way do I think a stranger was just out walking that trail. I think BG has to be a local or someone who grew up in the area.

3) BG had to have watched the girls to know that no one else was with them. Because, otherwise, the girls could have been there with parents or siblings, who were simply a little farther ahead (or behind).

I have been one of the people who still thinks that the girls thought they were meeting someone. To me, it doesn't matter that the trip seemed spontaneous. It also could explain why there are two sketches of BG.

4) And seeing the actual bridge, can you imagine walking it with your hands in your pockets, as BG did? That does not seem like a natural position. I would want my hands free in case I needed to balance.

Again, thank you for taking a video of the trail!

Number 4 got me thinking. I also thought having your hands in pockets didn’t seem natural. I always wondered if BG had tattoos he was purposely hiding(if you see a phone pointed at you, I’m sure he’d hang his head and want to hide a bit). After you mentioned you thought the pockets were weird I started googling pictures of JBC. There was one that shows tattoos on his hands. Just makes me wonder…

 

[MistyWaters]

The BG maybe "involved in the murders" now. I thought, sometime earlier it was said, he is the killer?

This is the same as what’s written on the archived FBI poster as well “During the course of the investigation, evidence has led investigators to believe the aforementioned person is suspected of being involved in the murders of Liberty German and Abigail Williams.” I think the reason it’s worded that way is because until such time as the suspect is identified, charged and the case goes to trial he can only be referred to as a suspect involved in the murders. LE can’t outrightly claim he’s responsible because he’s not yet been found guilty in a court of law. JMO