Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #144

[raja]

Yes and in regards to KAK, this where I lose the alignment of the storyline to KAK being a possible suspect. He was obviously getting sexual gratification from catfishing and impersonating himself as a wealthy, good looking hot young guy. In his dreams he thrived on having online relationships with young girls as an ego booster, I’d presume.

So if he planned to meet up with anyone in person, no way would he pass himself off as anything but an overweight dorky unappealing man and the gig would be up. We know of no connection he had to the Delphi trails or bridge so even if he intended to experiment with murder, even though nothing we know of gives basis to that, how would he have known in advance that location would give him the opportunity as opposed to getting busted?

The only way I could imagine it happening is if KAK posed as a driver who said he’d take the girls somewhere else to meet with anthony_shots and they adamantly balked and ran, causing him to panic and react with anger. But if he didn’t drive, how would he have gotten to Delphi? It requires lots of filling in the blanks to create a remotely possible plausible theory involving KAK, similar to everyone who’s been suspected of being a possible suspect, none have been a perfect fit. JMO

BBM
"Guys down the hill" could also have been instructions as to where anthony shots was waiting for them.

 

[Alethea]

BBM
"Guys down the hill" could also have been instructions as to where anthony shots was waiting for them.

I also think there's another reasonable theory. Obviously any girls would immediately recognize that KAK was not anthony_shots and they would have been incredibly disappointed (where's the model?!?!).

A predator could "arrange" to meet with girls and then show up to watch them. He would get to see the girls he was chatting with in person. Like a peeping tom, but in public. Maybe even sit around innocently reading a book and when the girls appear to be disappointed or talk about being stood up, he strikes up a conversation.

It's a way to get someone to a specific place without disclosing your identity. I'm not sure I think that's what happened but it's a plausible scenario. JMO

 

[Alethea]

From the interview with KAK (pg 52):

LE: "Bud, from your drop box account off your phone, we have started one of the largest child investigations ever undertaken in the State of Indiana"

New details in Delphi murder of Abby Williams and Libby German

 

[stattlich1]

Speculation abounds.

So, it could have gone like this....girls, since school's out on Monday, we're gonna meet at the spot in the woods over at MHB. There'll be several of us there, a_shots, and a bunch of his friends. Text me if you can make it, I'll meet you on the bridge, and we'll go down the hill from there!

I mean, who knows what scheme was used. However, it's evident this was not simply a random crime of opportunity. There was a lot of stuff going on here, and a definitive measurable amount of communication, as fact.

I suspect those woods have always been a party spot, I mean, being a rural guy myself, though along in years, I'm pretty solid in my belief that beer drinkin' and weed smokin', along with other stuff has been going on out in those woods for decades.

Got it through years of work with teens....they're doing all sort and manner of stuff unbeknownst to the adults in their lives, a LOT!!!

 

[Alethea]

I do wonder if this is why we haven't seen more information released from LE. They may have narrowed down who they believed Libby was meeting and they have to figure out digitally an address through this child sex abuse material web.

People generally don't tell other people in their lives that they are pedophiles. So LE asking everyone to look out for anyone they know that routinely chats with children or exchanges CSAM would not really be fruitful and/or may just result to people reporting everyone on the sex offender registry in Indiana.

It seems like a difficult position to be in for LE.

 

[asyousay]

I am relieved to see there is renewed interest in the case.


Just been reading up on the news and this guy to my eyes still doesn’t fit bridge guy. He is too young and way too fat to be bridge guy but hopefully it’s somebody connected to him.


MOO

 

[MistyWaters]

BBM
"Guys down the hill" could also have been instructions as to where anthony shots was waiting for them.

Could be possible, yet there had to have been some kind of communication between Libby and Abby and the predator to confirm they had a ride. And they have Libby’s cellphone plus recordings of private chatter between the two girls, yet nothing fruitful seems to have came of that.

It continues to baffle me, if LE suspected some king of online connection from the very onset of the search warrant on KAK, why they didn’t open that possibility of the girls being catfished to the public when asking for leads and tips? Five years on, memories fade, with the continual new models of cellphones, old ones get discarded and data records aren’t retained forever. Even if someone had come forward claiming anthony_shots asked to meet them, that still wouldn’t prove that person was the killer of Libby and Abby or even that the claim was true.

The main advantage to the latest happening is it’s kept the case in the media, raising and increasing awareness, which has been an expressed objective from the very onset. Maybe it will cause the killer, who’s still out there, to let down his guard?

JMO

 

[Alethea]

From the interview with KAK (pg 52):

LE: "Bud, from your drop box account off your phone, we have started one of the largest child investigations ever undertaken in the State of Indiana"

New details in Delphi murder of Abby Williams and Libby German

From the interview with KAK (pg 140/141):

Libby's friend messaged Anthony Shots and asked if he heard what happened to Libby. Anthony Shots responded, "OMG what happened? we were supposed to meet up but she never showed."

LE: "I am telling you that I do not believe you killed Liberty or [Abigail]" ... "But you need to tell me who was logging in to these accounts."

 

[Alethea]

From the interview with KAK (pg 159):

They are discussing DNA. KAK googled "how long does DNA last" after he gave a sample.

KAK: I have no clue [why I searched it]. Probably because they DNA tested me. They obviously have DNA on that body, 'cause why else would they test me"

LE: "You knew 110% your DNA wouldn't be there, right?"

New details in Delphi murder of Abby Williams and Libby German

This reads to me like they think his dad did it?

 

[Alethea]

I don't understand why LE didn't ask him what his passwords were for these accounts. Were they common? Were they shared? Were they really obvious? Were they exposed in any of the many hacks?

I wonder if he used the same password for his instagram accounts as he did his dropbox that was obviously used to store and share CSAM.

 

[Kell1]

Dont overthink it

What are the odds 2 murder victims just so happen to be contacted under a false profile , in an attempt to meet up , by a suspect who just so happens to also be a sexual deviant ?

 

[Kell1]

Long post alert sorry

Taking a more in depth look , first off lets note the ISP states this information was not released, but was leaked , so the validity of it could be in question


Its also important to note that in this article it indicates that there's a possibility that 1 of 2 individuals (the named individual and his father) are both potential suspects, so taking into account it may involve 2 individuals we will look at it from that perspective.

The article states this cat fisher was talking to Libby just the night before , and had made plans to meet with Libby at the very Delphi bridge she was last seen at and where she video's the now infamous "walking man" . or “Bridge guy”

He then states on line in a conversation with another girl following the murders, again under the fake profile "She (German) never showed" , indicating he WAS there, but she was not , though we know for a fact both girls were, and by his statement , so was he

. Was that just a BS statement on his part, or was it a slip up?, seems a little more than coincidence, but let's look deeper.

One thing we see very often with criminals, especially in heinous crimes, is a form of gas lighting, where they admit the action, but vehemently deny the intent .

"Yeah we horsed around in the showers, and yeah we were naked, and i hugged him from behind and things might have touched, but in no way was it sexual "-Jerry Sandusky

This is brought on by anxiety, and pressure the offender is feeling post offense, they need to link themselves to it because they know there's evidence, and that it “looks suspicious” but they also need to make themselves appear clean, and distanced, from it because it links them.

Here you have an individual who has been in contact wth one of the victims, with specific knowledge of where the girls are, not only that he has suggested they meet at that very location, some may coincidence, but lets add to the mix, this isnt a normal individual, its a deviant sexual criminal hiding behind a fake internet profile in order to solicit sexual images from young girls .

Now I cant spek for this specific case, but having seen numbers of cases, involving it, one thing I can say about those who collect child , its exceedingly rare they dont , or havent acted out on their urges at some point in some manner.

Often they molest someone around them, less often they find legal means to do so with some type of physically acceptable surrogate, and even to a much lesser extent they forcibly rape or abduct a victim.

Next we add the probability of the logistics into it, what are the chances that this individual just so happened to also live nearby? Cat fishing can occur from all over the world ,and usually does , but in this case, the sexually deviant criminal who made plans to meet with the girls in the place where they are murdered just so happens to live in the same general area (50 min away?) (Fact: in cases, of Child abduction murder, the offender usually lives near , works near , or frequents the area of the abduction).

The fake profile is discovered by police, the suspect is brought in for questioning, fails not 1 but 2 polygraphs , particularly when asked if he knows "who killed the girls'' then after he was questioned he goes home and immediately deletes his browser history and all conversations he had on social media , social media profiles that he used to communicate with the girls, but googles, "how long does DNA last"? again coincidence? or ......

Remember a warrant was served at this individuals residence only 11 days after the murders (Fact: In roughtly 75 % of cases, the offenders name comes to LE’s attention within the first 7 days of the investigation)

And the topic he researched is odd in and of itself, he states he was concerned because he "gave a sample to police"?, what would difference would the duration of DNA viability matter? I can see "What can DNA a DNA profile expose" or something but not how long is it viable, especially when the sample given to police is going to be usable. That to me indicates someone concerned about the viability of DNA from another time/place.

I understand coincidences, do happen if science has taught us anything its to never say never, and never say always , but when theres more than 1 immediately preceding a crime, particularly a murder let alone a double murder, we have a word for that .... Suspicious

So they just so happen to get cat fished, the night before they are found dead , by a guy who arranged to meet them where they were found dead, and this individual just so happens to have a collection child in his possession, some of which is from young girls he coaxed, into sending him explicit pictures of using the same profile he used to contact one of the victims.

Then he states he was there , but then claims German "never showed up", which we know is false, she and Abigail Williams were there.

So lets analyze that statement , so he planned to meet at least one of the girls, who think they are meeting a rich male model, (now a police officer himself) but what would happen when they discovered it wasn't this male model they thought they were talking to ?

What if indeed they had sent him pictures now this slovenly individual shows up claiming to be whom they have been communicating with ?

The entire facade would be blown out of the water, I find it unlikely a girl (or anyone really) would react well to someone claiming to be who they weren't especially when the facade was a wealthy male model and the complete opposite shows up .

Will they now out him as a fraud, or even worse a pervert?, will they blow his cover ?

But he has an advantage..... he used a fake profile, Libby wouldn't know who he was, hes anonymous , so he could walk right past her , she would be none the wiser.

But this approaching male apparently triggered something in them enough to record his approach, was it because they were alone ?, was it because they were supposed to meet someone and they were suspicious of this approaching individual?

Their gut instinct was to record a random stranger approaching them while they are alone.

His motives, are most likely sexual .

From there they are either forced, or coerced, to where they are found .

Perhaps he states he is a friend of this "Anthony Shots", who waiting to meet them just "down the hill"

Or he produces, a weapon and forces them to walk.

But he knows he needs to get them some place where he wont be seen, whether or not this was a planned event cannot be pinned down with the little amount of info that has been released.

From there , due to the little amount of info that has been released its all speculative.

Again what are the chances, that 2 girls who wind up murdered are in the exact area that one of them agrees to meet a guy who in reality is already a sexually deviant criminal, who just so happens to live in the area? One that says he was there but the victim “never showed”

Going to say pretty slim.

Then what are the chances that said individual goes home and feels the need to suddenly delete everything connecting him to the deceased and googling ho long DNA is good for?

Again gonna say pretty slim especially if he had nothing to worry about.

I've stated before the only possibilities that exist are random encounters , or a planned meeting.

I noted that it was possible someone was following their social media accounts, and that the girls posting pictures, of themselves, alone may have been what someone was waiting for, or that he knew in advance they would be there

Most abduction murders of children for sexual purposes , unless part of a series, are not planned , they are impulsive spur of the moment acts, this may have been as well we cant know because little info has been released.

SO we have a connection, but which is it , the person named or his dad ?

 

[photographer4]

From the interview with KAK (pg 52):

LE: "Bud, from your drop box account off your phone, we have started one of the largest child investigations ever undertaken in the State of Indiana"

New details in Delphi murder of Abby Williams and Libby German

I hate that I hit like on this, but I do have to hope that this means LE is on to something and stopping a lot of bad people from continuing to hurt kids.

 

[photographer4]

Dont overthink it

What are the odds 2 murder victims just so happen to be contacted under a false profile , in an attempt to meet up , by a suspect who just so happens to also be a sexual deviant ?

Possibly pretty good odds actually.

 

[Kell1]

Possibly pretty good odds actually.

Sadly in this case

 

[rebelchild]

He then states on line in a conversation with another girl following the murders, again under the fake profile "She (German) never showed" , indicating he WAS there, but she was not , though we know for a fact both girls were, and by his statement , so was he

. Was that just a BS statement on his part, or was it a slip up?, seems a little more than coincidence, but let's look deeper.

I don't think he ever mentioned where he was supposed to meet her. Everything I have listened to and read, he has claimed that he has never been to Delphi or was only there one time years ago and doesn't even know how to get there. Not that I believe a word he says , but just to clarify that I don't think he has ever claimed he was meeting her at MHB.

 

[Schatz]

Maybe KAK or his dad sold the login credentials to JBC.

 

[mom2chloe]

Yes and in regards to KAK, this where I lose the alignment of the storyline to KAK being a possible suspect. He was obviously getting sexual gratification from catfishing and impersonating himself as a wealthy, good looking hot young guy. In his dreams he thrived on having online relationships with young girls as an ego booster, I’d presume.

So if he planned to meet up with anyone in person, no way would he pass himself off as anything but an overweight dorky unappealing man and the gig would be up. We know of no connection he had to the Delphi trails or bridge so even if he intended to experiment with murder, even though nothing we know of gives basis to that, how would he have known in advance that location would give him the opportunity as opposed to getting busted?

The only way I could imagine it happening is if KAK posed as a driver who said he’d take the girls somewhere else to meet with anthony_shots and they adamantly balked and ran, causing him to panic and react with anger. But if he didn’t drive, how would he have gotten to Delphi? It requires lots of filling in the blanks to create a remotely possible plausible theory involving KAK, similar to everyone who’s been suspected of being a possible suspect, none have been a perfect fit. JMO

This post creeps me out because what if KAK or TK or both were Uber drivers or something similar. Perverts know no bounds. Will certainly be interesting to see what else we learn about this entire situation.

 

[Schatz]

Maybe KAK or his dad sold the login credentials to JBC.

And if he was living in Peru* maybe he just walked over and connected to their WiFi or used the library’s to avoid being traceable.

*Edit: at that time. We know JBC lived in Peru but I would need to check the timeline again on if at that time.

 

[mom2chloe]

I am relieved to see there is renewed interest in the case.


Just been reading up on the news and this guy to my eyes still doesn’t fit bridge guy. He is too young and way too fat to be bridge guy but hopefully it’s somebody connected to him.


MOO

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