Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #147

[TL4S]

This is great information but I am a little confused by the possibility KAK’s wi-fi was highjacked by someone outside their house. At least that’s what I think we are talking about here.
In KAK’s police interview when KAK says that his friend sometimes uses his phone, LE counters with that these online conversations with young girls go on for hours and sometimes days, meaning it would have to be someone living in the house having those conversations to be hanging around that long.
So I would think the same logic would apply to someone highjacking their wi-fi, so I think that would omit someone parking outside their house to do this. They would have to sit out there a long time.
All that being said, a neighbor, close enough to get the signal and can sit for long periods of time, might could pull that off I guess.
Now if I have totally mixed up what this whole discussion is and how it relates to this case…then just look away and forget I wrote any of this.

I agree, and even a neighbor hijacking their wi-fi doesn't explain all the CSAM, search history, and conversations found on KAK's actual phones and tablets. Or searching CSAM from another house near where his grandparent's lived on the 13th, or Vegas stuff. LE could be lying about some of that, but KAK has serious charges due to CSAM found on his devices, so I think the chances of someone outside of that house being involved by means of wi-fi hijacking (or using his phone) is minimal. JMO.

 

[Justice101]

SORRY ALL. SOMETHING FROZE UP. DIDN'T MEAN TO POST REPEATEDLY.

Can't find the reference but it was widely reported within the first year that someone interviewed who was on the trail about the time, heard what they thought were voices somewhere below the bridge... thought it was a couple argueing.

 

[Silver_produce0]

I believe the story is that Libby’s dad asked FSG if he had sent the girls and FSG told them no but there was a couple arguing down near the bridge or under the bridge.

 

[Kudzuu]

TL45 I don't watch much TV and never knew about Michael Scott or The Office. And I agree with your entire post...every word except "lovable." So am leaving that one word out. And shots=photos works, too.
" KAK identifies with the loser type character, who is secretly more capable than he appears to others."

 

[Kudzuu]

Sorry. I pushed the wrong button.

 

[M. Kay]

SORRY ALL. SOMETHING FROZE UP. DIDN'T MEAN TO POST REPEATEDLY.

It's okay, "ChuckInHouston" ---sometimes this repeating happens for me.
NOW to a question: When people ask why the second sketch was shown, my memory is that we didn't know the reason at first. Wasn't it for any younger girls who might have been sent the same picture, to come forward? How else to reach other girls?
Isn't Anthony_Shots photo used to lure Libby represented by a sketch artist as that second sketch? I wouldn't say it was a "change/switch" in the case. Looking at the video of guy on bridge is seeing a killer probably. First sketch was from Bridge Guy. Second younger sketch shows bait for young girls. Does this make sense? Or, not?

 

[ChuckInHouston]

It's okay, "ChuckInHouston" ---sometimes this repeating happens for me.
NOW to a question: When people ask why the second sketch was shown, my memory is that we didn't know the reason at first. Wasn't it for any younger girls who might have been sent the same picture, to come forward? How else to reach other girls?
Isn't Anthony_Shots photo used to lure Libby represented by a sketch artist as that second sketch? I wouldn't say it was a "change/switch" in the case. Looking at the video of guy on bridge is seeing a killer probably. First sketch was from Bridge Guy. Second younger sketch shows bait for young girls. Does this make sense? Or, not?

Yes, that’s kinda what I have always thought. Maybe it was just a message to the killer. What threw me off was them saying “we’re making the second sketch primary”

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Any place I’ve ever been to, used the Wi-Fi and saved the password, and revisit my phone automatically connects to the WiFi. When I drop my kid off at her dad’s in a different town where I get no cell signal, my phone connects to their WiFi as soon as I pull into the driveway. If KAK’s friend had ever used the WiFi, he could easily connect again from outside the walls of the house unless the Klines changed their password regularly, which I would argue most people do not.

That is very interesting. I did not think of that ever happening.
But, in this case, would the friend then sit outside the Klines’ house and have hours long and days long conversations with young girls?

 

[minazoe]

just for the record, I don't think sketch number two looks anything like Anthony Shots. mOO

 

[Falling Down]

I believe the story is that Libby’s dad asked FSG if he had sent the girls and FSG told them no but there was a couple arguing down near the bridge or under the bridge.

I don't doubt his account, I do have an issue with folks putting a lot of stock in it.

Which is to say that by the time FSG was there it was around the same period DG was there, which happened to coincide with the same time some other people were there in the area of the bridge. My understanding is all adult-age folks.

"Couple" could mean many things, and one has to consider the person reporting it, and the distances involved. Having been there I think it gives me some perspective as to what someone might see or hear there in the gorge. The bridge is 850 feet long.

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

I enjoyed The Office, but it was Wayne Gretzky who came up with that quote about missing 100% of the shots you don't take.

We don't know if KAK identified with this well-known athlete's credo. Maybe KAK is no athlete but still followed sports.

Maybe he identified with the show "Hamilton." The song "I Am Not Throwing Away My Shot" was extremely popular and inspired people in many areas. I certainly hope it didn't inspire KAK.

Maybe he liked to knock back shots at a bar with some guy named Anthony.

It could really be anything. I mean, the Son of Sam killer identified with his neighbor's dog. Who knows what people feel connected with, especially if their thinking is disordered.

Jmo

I'm still thinking it's way to much of a coincidence that KAK picked a name for an account to lure young girls into send questionable photos that he then shared and/or setup meets (anthony_shots told Libby's friend he was suppose to meet up with her the day she was murdered) or possible stalk them (the masked man looking in a window) that was the last name of his next door neighbor. It makes me think it was possibly a way, if needed, he could say something like, "shots? That's"s the neighbors name, maybe someone next door hack our wifi?" All LE would have to do is find out if the neighbors ever let anyone use their wifi while at their house (I've done that before with guests) and now you've got possible doubt as to who used their wifi...just like KAK did with saying his friend(s) used his wifi.

It would all be moot now because KAK's phones, without anthony_shots accounts being involved, contained media that exploited children and he's been charged with those instances.

The fact that anthony_shots account communicated with Libby the day she died AND anthony_shots account admitted to planning a meet with Libby the day she was murdered still means the identity of the actually person who did those two things via anthony_shots account needs to be verified. That hasn't happened and I wonder why?
AJMO

 

[sunshineray]

Page 1 of the probable cause affidavit says it was a secured network. I mean, that's according to the pedophile.

https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Kegan-Anthony-Kline-PC.pdf

Is any IP, VPN or your email and social media accounts really secure if someone knows how to get around that? All I'm saying is IF the account was named with the forthought to possibly throw doubt if ever he needed to?

 

[sunshineray]

KK is a deviant. There is nothing lovable about him. He is a predator. He is not BG, but IMO, he knows, or was in contact with BG. Maybe not in person, but on line. I believe he was sharing the AS acct with his father, and possibly someone else.
We know he was sharing information with other predators. It is also my opinion that there is more than one perp. Mainly because even if he had them at gunpoint, it would have been difficult to get them across the creek and up that bank without them taking off, or one taking off as he was attacking the other. Before anyone tares my head off, i have read the commentary about one protecting the other, etc. That is a wonderful speculation because we all want the victim to be a hero. That unfortunately may not be the reality and when faced with the event head on, I would venture someone of that age would be much more likely to run, than fight. Again, only my humble opinion.

I think Libby lost a shoe possibly in a struggle. Abby was such a slight figure so probably easier to control. Wasn't there something posted with link about Libby being dragged a distance? I'm having a brain fart about where that info came out?

 

[sunshineray]

IMO KAK knows who did it and if he is not responsible, he had a hand in it.

Why is this so difficult to prove when it appears as though(almost) everything is laid out for an arrest?

I honestly believe that it is the alibi that the grandparents have given.
Scariest thing about that alibi?
Grandpa has since passed, Grandma probably has been manipulated into holding the story up.
Unless there is a piece of evidence that is found , a change in grandma, or a confession, I am afraid this case has the potential to go unpunished.

On the other hand, there has been an awful LOT of quiet concerning KAK and his family member/roommate. So, I am choosing to believe that these 2 disturbed individuals have turned against each other in an effort to save their own skin.
I pray this is the correct scenario.
It has been TOO long and the families deserve justice.

JMO
Murder Sheet Kegan Kline Redacted Statement.pdf

I wonder if that woman reporter has asked KAK for another jailhouse interview...and if it was declined? You'd think she would as KAK was quite the talker in her interview.

 

[sunshineray]

Any place I’ve ever been to, used the Wi-Fi and saved the password, and revisit my phone automatically connects to the WiFi. When I drop my kid off at her dad’s in a different town where I get no cell signal, my phone connects to their WiFi as soon as I pull into the driveway. If KAK’s friend had ever used the WiFi, he could easily connect again from outside the walls of the house unless the Klines changed their password regularly, which I would argue most people do not.

KAK's house is very close to the neighbors house that share the name with the account...too much coincidence for me. JMO

 

[sunshineray]

I just really feel, that stating that RL's phone pinged near the scene, is completely ridiculous and unfair. seeing as he lived right there!!!!!!!

It's very disturbing though that RL felt the need to set up a false alibi anyway. AJMO

 

[sunshineray]

I agree, and even a neighbor hijacking their wi-fi doesn't explain all the CSAM, search history, and conversations found on KAK's actual phones and tablets. Or searching CSAM from another house near where his grandparent's lived on the 13th, or Vegas stuff. LE could be lying about some of that, but KAK has serious charges due to CSAM found on his devices, so I think the chances of someone outside of that house being involved by means of wi-fi hijacking (or using his phone) is minimal. JMO.

Yes but arresting someone for one crimes that I guess you could call passive, meaning sitting at home on a computer, and arresting them for cold-blooded murder of two young girls are all felonies but very different crimes. If there's doubt who actually was using the account anthony_shots, if it was a shared account by hacking/borrowing wifi, knowingly letting others use wifi, it could create legal doubt for arresting and prosecuting, as to whom is the killer?

I wonder if that is what's happened?

 

[TL4S]

Yes but arresting someone for one crimes that I guess you could call passive, meaning sitting at home on a computer, and arresting them for cold-blooded murder of two young girls are all felonies but very different crimes. If there's doubt who actually was using the account anthony_shots, if it was a shared account by hacking/borrowing wifi, knowingly letting others use wifi, it could create legal doubt for arresting and prosecuting, as to whom is the killer?

I wonder if that is what's happened?

Yes, I agree, there is a burden to prove who was using the a_shots account during the time when that account was grooming and communicating with L. There would further be burden to prove that the user was also the one who killed the girls, and if not, was there shared information with others, ie. that the girls were going to the trail, etc. And whether that information was shared knowingly, or unknowingly through means of wi-fi hijacking or otherwise. It is a lot to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, especially if there is no full physical evidence (DNA, prints, etc.) to unquestionably support it. Jmo.

 

[TL4S]

IMO, some very significant details have been hit upon by members on here in the last couple of days. For starters, if the MS podcast episode with the journalist is to be taken at face value, then she had LE sources telling her all along that KAK is not the killer but knows who it is, and that more than one user was on the a_shots account. That adds some credence to the 2020 KAK interview transcripts, imo.

Not everything in that interview necessarily had to be true (on KAK or LE's part), but I think the overall picture might be somewhat accurate based on the fact that KAK is in jail on charges of CSAM, BP knows a_shots was communicating with L, and LE has put out the a_shots ask.

We have LE telling KAK they think there was more than one user on a_shots, supported with what the journalist said, and perhaps, just maybe, this explains the two sketches. If, for example, the second sketch is supposed to be of KAK, then maybe that's because he's the known user of a_shots, and until he names the other user(s), his face is the one LE is going to plaster all over H*ll.

And as has been discussed, there's the matter of proving who are the users of a_shots, whether or not any or all users are involved in the murders, and if all those hours, days, months, and years of CSAM use connected to the Peru address are, in fact, connected to the murders, as well. JMO.

 

[minazoe]

somewhere there is communication between a shots and Libby...they apparently have these ..what is missing is possible texts from other phones that pertain to these girls and their location..they are probably scrubbed and I hope someday they are retrieved. I also wonder if KAK did things with phones, you know swap sims, let people use them,
try to sell them? wonder if he sold anything on eBay?

I wonder if anyone out there can put JBC and KAK together? would be interesting if someone was maybe around at some point and can attest to any possible connection..

JBC changed his Facebook to private the day after the murders for an entire year. KAK and his dad ran away to Vegas and put false information about KAKS whereabouts on the day of the murders.

mOO