Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #147

[rypj84]

I would like to know whey they thought that there was no immediate threat to the public?

This has really confused me as well. Imho, LE really needs to clarify, otherwise it's irresponsible to give a false sense of security to the community and potentially leave them vulnerable with a false sense of security.

 

[MistyWaters]

I have always assumed, and still do, that they said that right after they figured out who did it.

So you think LE had this crime solved since day one, which by the passage of time was almost 5 1/2 years ago? If so IMO what a bungled fiasco, to continue appealing for tips all along, now numbering over 50,000 saying they were seeking that last piece of the puzzle, the identity of the perp, if they knew it all along. What a huge waste of time and resources, how thorough would that make the vetting of leads if what they think they knew all along? I won’t get into tunnel vision but thats never a good thing either.

Ultimately is it’s absolutely insignificant to think, hope or believe that LE “knows” without a successful prosecution in a Court of Law to prove it to be so. JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

This has really confused me as well. Imho, LE really needs to clarify, otherwise it's irresponsible to give a false sense of security to the community and potentially leave them vulnerable with a false sense of security.

Nothing has led me to believe residents were given a false sense of security, quite the opposite as to be expected.

Delphi kids’ self-defense class in high demand

DELPHI, Ind. –A self-defense class aimed for kids is in high demand in Delphi following the murders of Libby German and Abby Williams. So far, police haven’t made any arrests in the case. A local m…

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Carmel class teaches kids how to protect themselves from a predator

Kids and parents took part in a self-defense clinic Thursday night in Carmel.

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Delphi, Indiana: Community concerned about safety as police search for suspect in death of teens​

ISP: "We're going to track them down"

A small Carroll County community is on edge as police continue to search for the person responsible for the deaths of two teenage girls.

www.wrtv.com

 

[FromGermany1]

I have always assumed, and still do, that they said that right after they figured out who did it.

I in turn think, LE/FBI knew since 2019, who did it, and that they had trusted the wrong person in 2017/2018. FYI only.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Almost in agreement with this except LE having a good idea who it is. (One never knows, though. In the Teresa Butler missing person when LE finally made an arrest many years later, we learned that person had been LE's sole suspect in the very beginning.) I do, HOWEVER, believe LE possibly has a list of upwards of a few dozen persons and the list is probably divided by probability. If so, the list is dynamic and changes over time. Bill Thomas, the brother of Cathy Thomas, one of the Colonial Parkway killer victims, stated that the FBI told him they a list of approx. 150 suspects or POI's and still no arrest.

I agree, and Tobe Leazenby discussed it at around 1:20 in this 2019 HLN video (Link in twitter below)

HLN
@HLNTV

Some 1,100 people have been looked at in connection with the #DelphiMurders of teens Libby German and Abby Williams... but officials tell HLN's @SusanHendricks, that list now comes down to about two dozen names of people who could be the suspect they call "Bridge Guy."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1096831863451045889

 

[tiffkinsadder]

So how were these poor girls killed?

Yes he had a gun but imo that would be too loud. I’d say strangulation but I heard crime scene was messy so that sorta confuses me

Knives? Were both violated? I’m wondering if the murderer quickly murdered one first, then assaulting the other before murdering her. I also missed more video maybe? In my mind he was a heavyset person, from that area. Certainly became familiar with it. If there was a lair, it was under the bridge…
A Taser could have been used. If the girls had been under the impression they were meeting someone in their peer group, then saw the individual, is what prompted Libby to video-record. They knew. I read somewhere along the thread how the individual was prepared, planning, organized even. Yes, but he still messed up. And that will be his undoing imo.

 

[tiffkinsadder]

I in turn think, LE/FBI knew since 2019, who did it, and that they had trusted the wrong person in 2017/2018. FYI only.

Who would the wrong person to have been trusted?

 

[JnRyan]

I agree, and Tobe Leazenby discussed it at around 1:20 in this 2019 HLN video (Link in twitter below)

HLN
@HLNTV

Some 1,100 people have been looked at in connection with the #DelphiMurders of teens Libby German and Abby Williams... but officials tell HLN's @SusanHendricks, that list now comes down to about two dozen names of people who could be the suspect they call "Bridge Guy."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1096831863451045889

Wow! I missed that. Two dozen names and this was in 2019. Over a year before they arrested KAK. I wonder what that list looks like now.

 

[ChuckInHouston]

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try this. there is also another one on local news there, im looking for it. they use the exact same phrasing.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/eerie-photos-capture-teens-death-march-down-the-hill/news-story/7f904cd581f93d79a9b101c222eca21b

this one is from 2020 and the local news story was from 2 days after the girls were found.

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The body site was about 800m from the high bridge where Libby had photographed Abby the afternoon before.

How the girls were murdered has still not been released, as Supt Carter says, “because only the killer knows”.

On Libby’s person, police found her mobile phone and on that they found video of a man on the Monon High Bridge.

He is a white male with his hands in his pockets while walking. He is wearing jeans, a navy blue jacket and possibly a cap.

He is walking at a fast pace across the rail bridge planks, which is no mean feat as they are separated by sizeable gaps, towards the girls.

“It’s amazing we have a video, we have a still photograph, we have sound and we don’t know who this person is,” he said.

 

[minazoe]

I wonder how many victims KAK has on his A_Shots account..? LE still appealing to the public for anyone who communicated.. because of the very nature of this account..everything that occurred on it from it's inception is most likely to be a crime. They are looking for the phones used, computers and victims..can also work as a process of elimination to rule out some IP addresses etc..

its interesting because it seems to me that some of these girls might be in danger...why is no one in danger and everyone just shrugging shoulders and making cryptic comments in the media? How can it be too complex even for the FBI?

because there are multiple unsolved murders attached to this person and they need the digital footprint to make cases.

criminals know a lot of things they can do with phones to keep them out of LE's grasp.

why don't they put KAK back on the hot seat? although even if he implicates someone they will still have to find the link.

DNA would/should lead to the killer...but we are focused on other things apparently. mOO

 

[Boxer]

This has really confused me as well. Imho, LE really needs to clarify, otherwise it's irresponsible to give a false sense of security to the community and potentially leave them vulnerable with a false sense of security.

No threat to the public means they thought it was a targeted victim case, if they had ascribed the murders to a random trail killer obviously it’s a threat to the public.

 

[ShamelessObserver]

I think LE know who did it. Still shocked they haven’t made an arrest yet.

 

[HistoryNut]

I wonder how many victims KAK has on his A_Shots account..? LE still appealing to the public for anyone who communicated.. because of the very nature of this account..everything that occurred on it from it's inception is most likely to be a crime. They are looking for the phones used, computers and victims..can also work as a process of elimination to rule out some IP addresses etc..

its interesting because it seems to me that some of these girls might be in danger...why is no one in danger and everyone just shrugging shoulders and making cryptic comments in the media? How can it be too complex even for the FBI?

because there are multiple unsolved murders attached to this person and they need the digital footprint to make cases.

criminals know a lot of things they can do with phones to keep them out of LE's grasp.

why don't they put KAK back on the hot seat? although even if he implicates someone they will still have to find the link.

DNA would/should lead to the killer...but we are focused on other things apparently. mOO

why don't they put KAK back on the hot seat? although even if he implicates someone they will still have to find the link.

Based on KAK's interview, I doubt that LE would simply let him off the hook. In fact, I believe they are continuing to question him until he breaks down and starts talking. Since LE recently asked for tips on A_S activity on another social media platform, it seems to me that KAK, the creator of the account, is still in the hot seat.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I agree, and Tobe Leazenby discussed it at around 1:20 in this 2019 HLN video (Link in twitter below)

HLN
@HLNTV

Some 1,100 people have been looked at in connection with the #DelphiMurders of teens Libby German and Abby Williams... but officials tell HLN's @SusanHendricks, that list now comes down to about two dozen names of people who could be the suspect they call "Bridge Guy."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1096831863451045889

Hey everyone, I want to correct my earlier post shown above, as it is far too late to edit. While Leazenby, Riley, and Holeman all appear and are interviewed in the linked video, none actually say the words about narrowing down to two dozen possible suspects. Starting at around 1:01 in the video, HLN says they were told that by police.

I apologize, as my saved notes were not correct, and the last thing I want is to spread misinformation in this case.

 

[MistyWaters]

No threat to the public means they thought it was a targeted victim case, if they had ascribed the murders to a random trail killer obviously it’s a threat to the public.

I have never seen the quote of LE suggesting there was no threat to the public except that it’s been said here stated that many, many times. If this is the rational behind people thinking LE has known who the culprit is since day one, it’s certainly not supported by facts.

What I did find was this, which indicates LE simply doesn’t know. I think that’s a fair statement given there was no immediate arrest.

“No details surrounding how the girls were found or their cause of death have ever been released.

“I can’t say there’s not a threat to the community,” Indiana State Police Sgt. Kim Riley told RTV6 at the time. "We have not caught the person yet. Is the person still in the community? We don’t know.”

The Delphi Murders: Four years later Libby & Abby's killer is still out there

Delphi Killer Update - What happened on that February day remains a mystery to everyone but Liberty German, Abigail Williams and the man who murdered them.

www.wrtv.com

 

[Boxer]

Hey everyone, I want to correct my earlier post shown above, as it is far too late to edit. While Leazenby, Riley, and Holeman all appear and are interviewed in the linked video, none actually say the words about narrowing down to two dozen possible suspects. Starting at around 1:01 in the video, HLN says they were told that by police.

I apologize, as my saved notes were not correct, and the last thing I want is to spread misinformation in this case.

I remember that statement, my recollection was one of the Carrol Co deputies standing outside being interviewed in uniforms as mating they had a couple dozen people on their list.

 

[AC4RD]

The TK focus is confusing to me.
The investigators in the KAK interview clearly are trying to get KAK to state that his father used his devices and internet profiles but KAK skates around it all. But that was almost two years ago and TK has still not been charged with a thing, not even charges similar to his son’s. LE obviously can’t even put TK online talking to young girls.
Despite that, the Murder Sheet podcast says TK is still the main focus of the investigation, even now, two years later. They repeated that this week going over TK’s work situation. I think these folks are pretty reputable but…I don’t know about this.
TK has a history of violence and cruelty toward women and children. He has a history of stalking and peeping in girl’s windows. He sorta looks like BG…who doesn’t at this point. He had no problems with his feet or his health in 2017 according to his co-workers.

I find myself shaking my head when I read posts that state that TK must have been involved; I do not see it, myself. I've been absent a lot lately but I couldn't have missed something significant about TK and guilt, AFAICT.

Evidence we (the public) have for KAK's involvement in the murders: *admitted contact with LG and other underage girls. *suspicious behavior after the murders (what else? I'm sure I'm forgetting things, and I've been absent a lot lately) Even KAK's CSAM by itself doesn't point to the murders, IMO, just to a very skeezy personality.

You're right: we don't have any actual evidence pointing at TK, none I can think of. He made a clumsy attempt to give his son an alibi for the murders: "my boy hasn't been home in 2 years!" We can argue that it shows some knowledge of the case against KAK, but I can't see that it indicates TK's own involvement in the actual murders. There are people willing to say negative things about TK, violence primarily, but that doesn't put TK's footprints on the creek's bank or any other actual evidence. Suspicious, OK; potentially unpleasant, sure; but no actual evidence, unless I'm missing something important.

I conclude (MHO) that if MS is right and TK is actively a person of interest, it's for reasons we don't know. And we'd LIKE to know if it's true and why, but we aren't going to find out until LE is ready to present its case to the public. Until that evidence is unveiled, I just don't see the "TK is guilty!" issues. MOO.

 

[AC4RD]

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DNA would/should lead to the killer...but we are focused on other things apparently. mOO

I really think if the DNA evidence was significant, if it were enough to find the murderer(s) or even be a real aid in the investigation, then we would know it by now, don't you think?

We can argue how effectively the police have investigated the case (though IMO we don't know enough of what they're doing or whom they are looking at to be overly critical of them), but your message seems to suggest (and this is just how I read it) that the DNA evidence (whatever it may be) is not being pursued because the police "are focused on other things." And we don't really believe that, do we? (I didn't think so.) I don't believe LE would be forgetting to send what DNA they may have to labs for evaluation, right?

 

[FromGermany1]

Who would the wrong person to have been trusted?

A person, who said, he was in the vicinity of the MHB for a described, "innocent" reason, just when the girls were murdered, didn't hear something, didn't see something and was trusted for this statement because of his reputation. Maybe, there was another person, close to him, who wrongly confirmed an important part of the statement. - Something like that perhaps. MOO

 

[HistoryNut]

sorry, duplicate