Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #147

[ShamelessObserver]

What do we think of MurderSheet and their stance on TK? By going after him so viciously, it borderline risks their credibility if TK Isn’t BG. I also find it hard to believe LE would allow them to put all the TK stuff out there without their permission…

 

[JnRyan]

What do we think of MurderSheet and their stance on TK? By going after him so viciously, it borderline risks their credibility if TK Isn’t BG. I also find it hard to believe LE would allow them to put all the TK stuff out there without their permission…

I believe it's over the top. As you point, even if he is guilty this might hinder LE. And if we're here this fall, chasing the latest and greatest POI it doesn't help their credibility. I was not impressed on how they beat the drum on the RL affidavit. The most worthwhile part about that was pg 3 where it stated there was a lot of blood, no sign of a struggle, staging and some decent chance to guess at the murder weapon. All the rest, as far as I was concerned was OBE.

 

[Ravenmoon]

What do we think of MurderSheet and their stance on TK? By going after him so viciously, it borderline risks their credibility if TK Isn’t BG. I also find it hard to believe LE would allow them to put all the TK stuff out there without their permission…

I like the MurderSheet. I think that the information they have obtained and made public was by design and that there are players involved that we just don't know about.

They do lean toward TK - but it is not without good reasoning. He fits the bill. He enjoys cruelty to children , he is a violent guy , he had access to any and all of KAKs devices, he has been cruel and violent with animals and he has played along with (at least until as recent as November 2021) KAK and his make believe employment stories as well as the "alibi."

Where , IMO, the MurderSheet is kind of off focus is believing that KAK is in any way not as much a part of what has happened as TK. I was in their camp early on, but reading over the affidavits, listening to podcasts and having the first REAL insight into what probably happened- I am not doubting that KAK could have played a vital role in the killings and possibly even the main suspect.

I am looking forward to September.

JMO

EBM

 

[Ravenmoon]

I believe it's over the top. As you point, even if he is guilty this might hinder LE. And if we're here this fall, chasing the latest and greatest POI it doesn't help their credibility. I was not impressed on how they beat the drum on the RL affidavit. The most worthwhile part about that was pg 3 where it stated there was a lot of blood, no sign of a struggle, staging and some decent chance to guess at the murder weapon. All the rest, as far as I was concerned was OBE.

I am hoping that they continue to poke at the Klines in order to keep the public interest in the case alive. I also think they are hoping to touch a nerve with TK so he makes a mistake, or agrees to talk to them.

As to the RL affidavit, they did say that it was the information in the affidavit and not RL personally that they wanted to be brought to the forefront. Personally, I am glad they did. It can help put an end to at least SOME of the speculation.

JMO

 

[Ravenmoon]

What do we think of MurderSheet and their stance on TK? By going after him so viciously, it borderline risks their credibility if TK Isn’t BG. I also find it hard to believe LE would allow them to put all the TK stuff out there without their permission…

I am not sure if I feel that they have gone after him in a vicious manner. They have exposed some terrible things he has done. Things like-
Beating his step son and fracturing his orbital socket.
beating his ex-wife and biting her.
Shooting at his step kids with a b b gun.
Beating a pet with a shovel and proceeding to bury it alive.
Belittling KAK many times and holding him at gun point...

These are just a few things that the people that know TK best have reported him doing.

Oh- let's not forget that KAK also stated that TK had sex with one of KAK's underage friends.

He deserves to be called out for the horror that he has inflicted on others.

JMO


EBM to add docs and edit spelling
https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Kegan-Anthony-Kline-PC.pdf
The Delphi Murders: Who is Tony Kline? Part One

 

[ChuckInHouston]

I don’t know that I’ve ever leaned towards kak or TK. I do believe KAK was in contact with the killer at some point, either trading or selling images or information. IMO BG is none of the known suspects, but known in town. I Do not think it is someone high profile such as a politician. I do believe it will be a working class man, with a family and likely involved with kids, such as sports or church or such. Personally I believe this to be his first kill. Not to say that he may not have exhibited traits of a murder before, and not to say that he was ever caught doing anything. I believe this because of the description of the crime scene. A lot of pent up deviancy. The amount of time it would have taken to stage the scene. Someone knows who this is from the video. The face is useless as it is too pixilated. When I was a kid we swam at the RR trusses and weren’t supposed to be there. We got caught by a friends mom who recognized me from 60 or 70 yards because she said I walk just like my dad. Also for all the speculation, walking a RR bridge not all that difficult.

 

[FromGermany1]

The peeping black-dressed man was seen by the teenager, afaik. Did she see his eyes? Were they painted by a forensic artist? How did she describe his stature?
I would like to know, if I had one wish free.

 

[FromGermany1]

I am not sure if I feel that they have gone after him in a vicious manner. They have exposed some terrible things he has done. Things like-
Beating his step son and fracturing his orbital socket.
beating his ex-wife and biting her.
Shooting at his step kids with a b b gun.
Beating a pet with a shovel and proceeding to bury it alive.
Belittling KAK many times and holding him at gun point...

These are just a few things that the people that know TK best have reported him doing.

Oh- let's not forget that KAK also stated that TK had sex with one of KAK's underage friends.

He deserves to be called out for the horror that he has inflicted on others.

JMO


EBM to add docs and edit spelling
https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Kegan-Anthony-Kline-PC.pdf
The Delphi Murders: Who is Tony Kline? Part One

As his employer I had him fired, immediately.

 

[sunshineray]

I hope you are right!

Supposedly KAK was trying to negotiate a deal back in December but he wanted all his child p*rn charges dropped for the information and the prosecution said “no”, and that was that.
A reporter guest on the “The Murder Sheet“ podcast a few weeks back said her sources told her KAK is the key.
My question to everybody is….what do you think a fair deal would be for KAK to get him to talk?
I think that’s a tough question. If he truly is the key to solving Delphi he is holding a handful of aces, drawing from a deck full of aces. He holds all the cards. Unless LE can find the connections and evidence by themselves, KAK is their only hope.
Is justice for the Delphi murders more important than justice for exploited children and the community?
My deal would be 1) tell us absolutely everything you know about the Delphi murders. Name names. This information must lead to an arrest and conviction. You must testify in court if necessary. 2) Your current charges will be satisfied on time served plus two years 3) you must register as a sex offender 4) you must report to a parole officer once a year for the rest of your life 5) if you are caught involved in child p*rn in anyway you will serve an additionAl 15 years in prison.
There is no fair here, in my opinion.
I’d love to hear what deals y’all would make.

In my mind if KAK didn't kill the girls he may still be an accomplice to murder and definitely it seems guilty of obstruction of justice and giving false statements to LE.

That's going by the information that Libby's friend communicated with anthony_shots account after the girls were missing and was told by anthony_shots account that he'd gone to meet up with Libby and she never showed. That and KAK's own words about the anthony_shots account being shared with a friend and other answers he gave his interrogators. AJMO

 

[sunshineray]

As his employer I had him fired, immediately.

That UAW union is quite formidable when it comes to trying to get a worker fired. From my understanding, very hard to do.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

We’re 5+ years out and I was thinking maybe it’s time to see where we all are on this case.

THE basic questions:
-who do you think BG is
-who do you think killed Libby and Abby
The rules are:
-names only, no commenting on why you think this(we’ve all been here long enough, we know)
-if it’s a WS approved POI, name them
-if it’s a name only from social media, just say “named other“
-“unknown” is a choice too
-if it‘s more than one, name them

Of course there is no right and wrong answer. I’d happily be wrong for LE to finally make an arrest.

I’ll go first.

BG: James Brian Chadwell
Killer: James Brian Chadwell and Tony Kline

 

[Ravenmoon]

We’re 5+ years out and I was thinking maybe it’s time to see where we all are on this case.

THE basic questions:
-who do you think BG is
-who do you think killed Libby and Abby
The rules are:
-names only, no commenting on why you think this(we’ve all been here long enough, we know)
-if it’s a WS approved POI, name them
-if it’s a name only from social media, just say “named other“
-“unknown” is a choice too
-if it‘s more than one, name them

Of course there is no right and wrong answer. I’d happily be wrong for LE to finally make an arrest.

I’ll go first.

BG: James Brian Chadwell
Killer: James Brian Chadwell and Tony Kline

*TK
*KAK and TK

JMO

EBM

 

[M. Kay]

THE basic questions:
-who do you think BG is
-who do you think killed Libby and Abby

I'm more interested in others' answers than my own...
*TK
*K's with client

 

[Schatz]

We’re 5+ years out and I was thinking maybe it’s time to see where we all are on this case.

THE basic questions:
-who do you think BG is
-who do you think killed Libby and Abby
The rules are:
-names only, no commenting on why you think this(we’ve all been here long enough, we know)
-if it’s a WS approved POI, name them
-if it’s a name only from social media, just say “named other“
-“unknown” is a choice too
-if it‘s more than one, name them

Of course there is no right and wrong answer. I’d happily be wrong for LE to finally make an arrest.

I’ll go first.

BG: James Brian Chadwell
Killer: James Brian Chadwell and Tony Kline

BG: James Brian Chadwell
Killer: James Brian Chadwell

I am willing to entertain a second individual present, and if so I suspect Tony Kline.

 

[Schatz]

I'm more interested in others' answers than my own...
*TK
*K's with client

If JBC is *not* (as I strongly suspect he is) involved, this is a valid scenario for me.

 

[ChuckInHouston]

The

We’re 5+ years out and I was thinking maybe it’s time to see where we all are on this case.

THE basic questions:
-who do you think BG is
-who do you think killed Libby and Abby
The rules are:
-names only, no commenting on why you think this(we’ve all been here long enough, we know)
-if it’s a WS approved POI, name them
-if it’s a name only from social media, just say “named other“
-“unknown” is a choice too
-if it‘s more than one, name them

Of course there is no right and wrong answer. I’d happily be wrong for LE to finally make an arrest.

I’ll go first.

BG: James Brian Chadwell
Killer: James Brian Chadwell and Tony Kline

the killer is none of the known POIs. I think it is very likely that KAK was in communication with the killer through SM. Sharing or selling pics or information or both. The killer is local, working class, and known in the community. Likely interacts with children on a regular basis. He is not someone, anyone would expect.

 

[FromGermany1]

The

the killer is none of the known POIs. I think it is very likely that KAK was in communication with the killer through SM. Sharing or selling pics or information or both. The killer is local, working class, and known in the community. Likely interacts with children on a regular basis. He is not someone, anyone would expect.

Okay, but what was his motive to kill even two girls?

 

[AC4RD]

What do we think of MurderSheet and their stance on ... I also find it hard to believe LE would allow them to put all the TK stuff out there without their permission…

(snipped for focus) (and apologies, I've been unable to keep up with the messages recently) (just replying to say): Law enforcement in this country can NOT suppress publication of news. It has been done a few times in cases of extreme urgency, but the First Amendment says it's not legal.

The USA's Founding Fathers envisioned an absolutely free press as one of the pillars of a free nation, and if we ever start letting LE decide what news we can and can't hear, we're in BIG trouble, IMO.

 

[Ravenmoon]

There are SO many things that point to the father/son duo being responsible IMO.

Here are just a few things that scream guilty to me:

*KAK is the first person to have been named as being in touch with LG up to and ON the day of her murder.
*KAK catfished LG with photos of a young, fit , well to do persona.
*KAK told one of LGs friends that "He was supposed to meet LG the day she was murdered , but LG never showed."
*KAK and TK were looked at early on in the investigation. A warrant was served on their home in late February 2017.
*If I remember correctly, DC stated in 2019 that he believed they were on to something very early in the investigation.
*KAK handed over phones and tablets that showed images of young girls that were illegal in nature. (Except the IPhone5-which mysteriously appeared later)
*The iPhone 5 was factory reset, apps had been uninstalled and deleted . Then reinstalled .
*Conversations with LG were deleted.


*I cannot understand WHY KAK would willingly hand over all devices that clearly prove he is involved in one of the largest underage/child abuse rings in Indiana state history- KNOWING his culpability, yet hides the iphone that shows his contact with LG and proceeds to delete all information there.* (Unless , obviously- there was a reason to NEED to cover up his exchanges with LG)

KAK and his father take off to Vegas- and the entire time there are exhaustive searches about the Delphi murders, searches for how long DNA lasts, searches about whether or not IP addresses can be traced and tracked, listening to the killers voice...all of this DESPITE the fact that KAK tried to tell investigators that he was "pretty sure he never talked to LG, which of course was later recanted when investigators showed him proof that he DID talk with her extensively."

SOMEONE searched for photos of the deceased Sandy Hook victims with KAKs phone.

TK is a violent man.
He has hurt children, animals and women.
He had a restraining order made against him for stalking a child that was female.
He allegedly had sex with one of KAKs underage friends.
TK bit the stomach of his ex wife when she tried to defend your young son after he nearly beat the child to death.
(Was he aroused by the violence of his actions? Why would he bite her stomach during a physical altercation?)

The attempts to reach and possibly exchange information with LG the day of her murder were made on 2 separate devices that came for the IP address at the Peru home belonging to TK.



Murder Sheet Kegan Kline Redacted Statement.pdf



There is so, so , so much more that links these 2 unsavory individuals to the murders...I really can't see how they are not connected.

KAK and TK , IMO, are going down for this. These people are as a guilty and dirty as they come.

JMO

EBM

 

[Ravenmoon]

There are SO many things that point to the father/son duo being responsible IMO.

Here are just a few things that scream guilty to me:

*KAK is the first person to have been named as being in touch with LG up to and ON the day of her murder.
*KAK catfished LG with photos of a young, fit , well to do persona.
*KAK told one of LGs friends that "He was supposed to meet LG the day she was murdered , but LG never showed."
*KAK and TK were looked at early on in the investigation. A warrant was served on their home in late February 2017.
*If I remember correctly, DC stated in 2019 that he believed they were on to something very early in the investigation.
*KAK handed over phones and tablets that showed images of young girls that were illegal in nature. (Except the IPhone5-which mysteriously appeared later)
*The iPhone 5 was factory reset, apps had been uninstalled and deleted . Then reinstalled .
*Conversations with LG were deleted.


*I cannot understand WHY KAK would willingly hand over all devices that clearly prove he is involved in one of the largest underage/child abuse rings in Indiana state history- KNOWING his culpability, yet hides the iphone that shows his contact with LG and proceeds to delete all information there.* (Unless , obviously- there was a reason to NEED to cover up his exchanges with LG)

KAK and his father take off to Vegas- and the entire time there are exhaustive searches about the Delphi murders, searches for how long DNA lasts, searches about whether or not IP addresses can be traced and tracked, listening to the killers voice...all of this DESPITE the fact that KAK tried to tell investigators that he was "pretty sure he never talked to LG, which of course was later recanted when investigators showed him proof that he DID talk with her extensively."

SOMEONE searched for photos of the deceased Sandy Hook victims with KAKs phone.

TK is a violent man.
He has hurt children, animals and women.
He had a restraining order made against him for stalking a child that was female.
He allegedly had sex with one of KAKs underage friends.
TK bit the stomach of his ex wife when she tried to defend your young son after he nearly beat the child to death.
(Was he aroused by the violence of his actions? Why would he bite her stomach during a physical altercation?)

The attempts to reach and possibly exchange information with LG the day of her murder were made on 2 separate devices that came for the IP address at the Peru home belonging to TK.



Murder Sheet Kegan Kline Redacted Statement.pdf



There is so, so , so much more that links these 2 unsavory individuals to the murders...I really can't see how they are not connected.

KAK and TK , IMO, are going down for this. These people are as a guilty and dirty as they come.

JMO

EBM

Shoot..I meant to add that one of the searches duplicated on KAKs phone had to do with girls stomachs!
Murder Sheet Kegan Kline Redacted Statement.pdf