Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #148

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  • #881
I Think that the Murder Sheet and Barbara McDonald and her team knows more that they are not letting out to the public to protect the case.
There was someone on Reddit, who 1 week ago wrote very similar information to what the MS has just released in their latest episode as to what KK has confessed. Either there is a source telling false information to several people or the Reddit person made this up and posted it on Reddit, where MS picked this story up, or this is in fact true information. I believe and hope for the last, because this may mean that we are very close to get justice for the girls.
I would hope MS wouldn’t pick up info from a Reddit post! I don’t think they did, however. Based on stepping back and looking at the big picture, I think both MS and the post you speak of has correct information and it will be confirmed soon. I very much hope so. MOO
 
  • #882
so are we on presser watch?
I don't think so. I think we're just getting a slight view of the investigation from the inside. Does it bring me hope? Yes, but I also think these types of things have been happening for years, we just weren't aware of it.

Edit: I do however think KAK's delay of his trial is coming to an end. Which could be a make or break moment for the Delphi case if he is involved (which I believe him to be in some manner).
 
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  • #883
I would hope MS wouldn’t pick up info from a Reddit post! I don’t think they did, however. Based on stepping back and looking at the big picture, I think both MS and the post you speak of has correct information and it will be confirmed soon. I very much hope so. MOO
I agree, I really hope that MS do not pick up their info from Reddit!
I have chosen to believe that MS are credible, otherwise they have managed to fool me completely. How everything fits together, we may have to wait to find out, but I so hope that LE are close to make an announcement about arrest(s) in the case.
 
  • #884
how it solved exactly ?
a podcast CLAIMS that our fav pathological liar has been telling tales .. thats it
True enough, but for me it is HIGHLY unlikely that it is merely an unfortunate coincidence for KAK that he just happened to have been communicating with Libby the night before the murders and just happened to have set up a meeting with her at the location where she ended up killed. If KAK wasn't intimately involved he has to be the unluckiest pedophile ever. MOO
 
  • #885
"Shirttails" ? "Don't think right pocket"?? Should I leave the room? I am terribly confused or did I miss some posts? Whatever it is, it must be interesting... please expand.
I just feel(IMO) that his hand is holding up something in his jacket for support.. His thumb and fingers move during his walk. Not a kill kit!
 
  • #886
I would think having an old previous phone without a data plan to look up *advertiser censored* on wifi hotspots or at your friends/family homes is probably a common occurrence. If you switch out the sim card too, to one not in your name, right? I've had people come over and ask for my wifi password and aI've been at people's houses where I can't get a mobile data signal and asked to use their wifi. It will be interesting to see if anyone from that house will come forward and say if KAK was there or not around the time of the murders. IMO...not
Good morning, Sunshiney amigo! Just my own experience but: I've got a half-dozen old working phones. I've used the same SIM card for years; my provider sent it with a little adapter that lets it fit in any phone I've ever tried. I keep one phone so it can look at the doorbell camera via wifi--don't trust the data safety enough to use my real phone for that.

I've got another phone I use primarily for podcasts and music; I can put the SIM card in it whenever I want and it works fine. I've had two iPhones and still have them both; both still work fine. I can move my SIM card between phones and have phone service in any of them. And the ones I don't use as cellphones still function, as you say, as wifi-enabled smart gadgets. VERY convenient!

PS: I'm HOPING the red Jeep means we are getting closer to an arrest! But as Sandy_80 said, there's no point in getting TOO excited about it just yet, IMO. We've had a lot of other hopes that didn't pan out. Fingers crossed for a "perp walk" REAL soon!
 
  • #887
I found the info MS revealed on where KAK was taken was interesting.
@8mm At some point he was taken to Grissom Airforce Base; they speculated he was taken there for privacy and security so they could have better conversations. However, his arrival was described as "sort of a hullabaloo", a bit of a contingent coming in, with other LE from different agencies. "Not a kind of quiet, let's just drive in situation". That seems slightly contradictory to me.

What wasn't mentioned that the AFB is home to Miami Correctional Facility. Now I'm wondering if they didn't take him there to rattle someone's chains. I'm reminded of the Blackburn murder trial yesterday when one of the co-defendants said he only cooperated when he heard his friend being interrogated in the next room.
 
  • #888
I keep coming back to that phone looking up p**n from the wifi at the house on CC Rd. Firstly, why would he need to connect to wifi with his phone? I know some people do, but don't phones usually have their own data? Was it poor reception? Or was it one of KAK's deactivated phones that needed a wifi signal to work? IDK. I don't get that part, but in the interview, LE said that occurred during the time KAK said he'd been at his grandparents, which was either 12 to 2, or 12 to 3. It takes about 40 minutes from Peru to Delphi, so we also don't know if KAK's phone was looking up p**n that entire time, or maybe just prior. It could have been from 12 to 1 and still had time to drive to the trail and be to the end of the bridge by 2:13.
My iPhone connects automatically to known wifi networks. He may not have connected manually. It could have been automatic.
 
  • #889
My iPhone connects automatically to known wifi networks. He may not have connected manually. It could have been automatic.
Ah, I see. Thank you, as I'm not familiar with iPhones.
 
  • #890
I keep coming back to that phone looking up p**n from the wifi at the house on CC Rd. Firstly, why would he need to connect to wifi with his phone? I know some people do, but don't phones usually have their own data? Was it poor reception? Or was it one of KAK's deactivated phones that needed a wifi signal to work? IDK. I don't get that part, but in the interview, LE said that occurred during the time KAK said he'd been at his grandparents, which was either 12 to 2, or 12 to 3. It takes about 40 minutes from Peru to Delphi, so we also don't know if KAK's phone was looking up p**n that entire time, or maybe just prior. It could have been from 12 to 1 and still had time to drive to the trail and be to the end of the bridge by 2:13.

Re: why he needs to connect to wifi instead of using a cellular data plan, I assumed (could be wrong) that 1. he was usually broke and 2. his credit was very poor and/or he has been cancelled for nonpayment on cellular contracts in the past. So his cell phones are essentially gadgets that only work when he has wifi he can mooch off of because the providers that would give him a data plan with that payment history are few and far between (and he lacks a consistent flow of cash to pay for a prepaid one). I believe at the time of the LE interview he said he was on his girlfriend's plan?
 
  • #891
True enough, but for me it is HIGHLY unlikely that it is merely an unfortunate coincidence for KAK that he just happened to have been communicating with Libby the night before the murders and just happened to have set up a meeting with her at the location where she ended up killed. If KAK wasn't intimately involved he has to be the unluckiest pedophile ever. MOO
except that we def dont know that he set up a meeting with her ( at any location )
and def no one said it was at that location.. cause that would have him in jail right now as BG right ?
and the internet is a peado paradise .. so i find it pretty normal
however ..when mother of abby or libby i dont recall whom exactly claimed OBG was ruled out ( while being a sexual offender ) and was on the trails .. that is something to make you ..wait WHAT ?
does anyone recall when this was said ?
it was on a podcast the made a reference to the family
 
  • #892
except that we def dont know that he set up a meeting with her ( at any location )
and def no one said it was at that location.. cause that would have him in jail right now as BG right ?
and the internet is a peado paradise .. so i find it pretty normal
however ..when mother of abby or libby i dont recall whom exactly claimed OBG was ruled out ( while being a sexual offender ) and was on the trails .. that is something to make you ..wait WHAT ?
does anyone recall when this was said ?
it was on a podcast the made a reference to the family
Was that on the Renner video? It's familiar to me, too.
 
  • #893
Was that on the Renner video? It's familiar to me, too.
IIRC it was from Gray Hughes, but I think the story was, someone told him that Becky was informed it was an RSO and was cleared.
 
  • #894
except that we def dont know that he set up a meeting with her ( at any location )
and def no one said it was at that location.. cause that would have him in jail right now as BG right ?
and the internet is a peado paradise .. so i find it pretty normal
however ..when mother of abby or libby i dont recall whom exactly claimed OBG was ruled out ( while being a sexual offender ) and was on the trails .. that is something to make you ..wait WHAT ?
does anyone recall when this was said ?
it was on a podcast the made a reference to the family
The leaked transcripts from the police interrogation of KAK do indicate that he did indeed communicate with Libby the night before the murders. This is per a fox59 news article from March 24 of this year. I do not buy the idea that that was any kind of coincidence.
 
  • #895
however ..when mother of abby or libby i dont recall whom exactly claimed OBG was ruled out ( while being a sexual offender ) and was on the trails .. that is something to make you ..wait WHAT ?
does anyone recall when this was said ?
it was on a podcast the made a reference to the family
Good question. I've heard this too but I don't I've ever heard a direct source. I do know that Libby's grandmother at one point said she thought if you combine the two sketches into one, that would be a more accurate portrayal of BG. She said that on the People Magazine special a few years ago.
 
  • #896
The leaked transcripts from the police interrogation of KAK do indicate that he did indeed communicate with Libby the night before the murders. This is per a fox59 news article from March 24 of this year. I do not buy the idea that that was any kind of coincidence.
Except KAK denied it during that interview and LE does not have to tell the truth. Publicly, there is no information out there to support a meet-up conversation happened.
 
  • #897
Was that on the Renner video? It's familiar to me, too.
except that we def dont know that he set up a meeting with her ( at any location )
and def no one said it was at that location.. cause that would have him in jail right now as BG right ?
and the internet is a peado paradise .. so i find it pretty normal
however ..when mother of abby or libby i dont recall whom exactly claimed OBG was ruled out ( while being a sexual offender ) and was on the trails .. that is something to make you ..wait WHAT ?
does anyone recall when this was said ?
it was on a podcast the made a reference to the family
The same leaked transcript from the same article does talk about a planned meet up with Libby the day of the murder..again fox59 March 24,2022. LE confronts Kline about digital evidence they had saying they knew he planned a meet up and when asked by others in communication with him he admits they had a meet up planned be she never showed up.
Except KAK denied it during that interview and LE does not have to tell the truth. Publicly, there is no information out there to support a meet-up conversation happened
Except KAK denied it during that interview and LE does not have to tell the truth. Publicly, there is no information out there to support a meet-up conversation happened.
Except KAK denied it during that interview and LE does not have to tell the truth. Publicly, there is no information out there to support a meet-up conversation happened.
MOO, but I think LE was telling the truth, and I think they know a meet up was scheduled. It is for sure certain that KAK and Libby per the transcript were in contact the night before she and Abby were murdered. If it looks like a duck.... Do I think KAK is BG? Very possibly. Is he involved, absolutely. MOO but I think LE believes KAK committed this crime. They don't need to formally charge him until they have all the evidence they need for a conviction. He isn't going anywhere. I think to avoid the death penalty he has implicated his father. In order to escape the death penalty LE wants evidence and he ( MOO) told him there was video and photographic evidence tossed into the river. MOO that that is what the river search has been about and MOO that they found what he said would be there. In this scenario, 2 possibilities exist. Either he is telling the truth and TK killed the girls and the evidence is on the recovered electronics or he alone committed this crime and has naively assumed that whatever LE fished from the river after 5 1/2 years will be unrecoverable and worthless.
 
  • #898
Seeing a lot of activity here today!

Got all excited, hoping it was for a Felony Friday featuring a BG arrest!

Tick tock, BG.
 
  • #899
Except KAK denied it during that interview and LE does not have to tell the truth. Publicly, there is no information out there to support a meet-up conversation happened.

Conversely you could say, LE said KAK had a conversation about meeting up with Libby, and KAK denied it, but he doesn’t have to tell the truth.
If I am forced to choose between who to believe here I will definitely side with the police.
Yes, we all know LE can bluff and fudge facts in interviews, but the whole interview is not a fairy tale woven by LE. We don’t know where this falls. You can’t assume it’s fabricated just because it MIGHT be.
There is a lot we don’t know.
 
  • #900
Conversely you could say, LE said KAK had a conversation about meeting up with Libby, and KAK denied it, but he doesn’t have to tell the truth.
If I am forced to choose between who to believe here I will definitely side with the police.
Yes, we all know LE can bluff and fudge facts in interviews, but the whole interview is not a fairy tale woven by LE. We don’t know where this falls. You can’t assume it’s fabricated just because it MIGHT be.
There is a lot we don’t know.
I get what everyone is saying but LE lying to KAK about the evidence they have is an interrogation tactic. It's done with purpose for a specific reason and it's not an uncommon tactic. We know they have evidence of the A_S profile talking to Libby. We don't know if they have direct communication of a plan to meet up. It would be the smart move for LE to pressure KAK into confessing (because he seems to like to deny things before admitting to them) to say they have evidence to push him over the line to admitting it. We as the public, cannot push the narrative to what is fact when we do not have anything to back it up.
 
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