Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #92

[they'll get you]

IF the perp is such a religious and accepted member of society, he CAN'T do that: turning himself in. IMO

I agree and why would he now?
He’s facing the death penalty so that’s good insentive not to. Even if he has a pinch of conscience he won’t turn himself in. The cops will have to find him.

 

[SandyQLS]

I’m already pages behind and others may have replied but in a LE press release today they state sketch #1 is no longer a POI, along with this clarification:

Indiana State Police also issued the following clarification about the two sketches:

• They are not the same person
• The person depicted in the originally released sketch is not presently a person of interest in this investigation
• The sketch released on April 22nd is representative of the face of the person captured in the video on Liberty German’s cell phone as he was walking on the high bridge
• The person in the sketch released April 22nd is described as having a youthful appearance, but could fall in the age range from his 20’s to late 30’s
• This person’s appearance could look different today if he has grown a mustache, beard or let his hair grow longer or cut his hair shorter than depicted in the sketch

ISP: First Delphi sketch is not POI in murders

• They are not the same person
• The person depicted in the originally released sketch is not presently a person of interest in this investigation

That was an FBI agent:
Police unveil composite sketch of Delphi double homicide suspect

July 2017
"...Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby said the portrait was drawn by an FBI sketch artist and was based on "recent information" from a witness who saw the suspect about the time of German and Williams' deaths.

"It relates to a dialogue between a witness and a sketch artist," he said. "That’s based upon an actual, real situation."..."

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Does LE believe that the witness who worked with the FBI sketch artist resulting in sketch#1 intentionally misled the investigation?

 

[Jamie737]

I’ve read here and on other forums, watched the press conference and looked at the helicopter footage again. My suspicion is that there is precious little hard evidence.

I can’t help but believe that the police is hoping to appeal to someone, anyone local to point the finger of suspicion at someone close to them. The garbled Shack reference may be an effort to say that therein lies some sort of redemption.

 

[PoppyJune]

I’m baffled. To think that this was in some way spontaneous, done in broad daylight, and it appears (as far as we know) that very little, if any evidence was left behind. This does not sound like a fly by the seat of your pants type of crime to me. Maybe he wanted to be caught but then he wasn’t and now he’s feeling pretty grandiose about himself.

On another note, something I’d like to focus on aside from the perp’s face is his shoes. Maybe his clothing choices that day were atypical but shoes are more of a constant for men.

 

[MsBetsy]

A few cars would be able to park at the "second entrance" but, as for a real parking lot, I think the only one is by the "main entrance."

There is CCTV by the main entrance... if BG parked by where the old welfare building was, I don't think the CCTV by the main entrance could pick up that information. However... the old welfare building parking lot is very close to the park entrance... it would be very interesting to know if that's how LE knows of the car and for how long it remained parked there, imo.

Also possible; I think maybe someone saw the car when they first arrived or dropped someone off at the park and saw it again at 5pm when they left the park or picked someone up again. And, a business person working in the area might have seen and reported the car to LE.... even someone who lives in the area might have seen.... first around noon and then later in the afternoon around 5 pm.

Finally, I think it was very purposeful for LE not to describe make, model and year of the car to the public at the conference. Anyone seeing a car parked where described, would have to describe the car to LE and only then would LE know the person really saw the car in question. Because, I agree with those who suspect some false and misleading tips have been given to LE to throw the investigation off. If that's so... then if they described the car to the public, then they could not be sure of receiving legitimate information in return. (Jmo)

ETA: I just read a comment about how it is the driver they're looking for and not for people who saw the car parked in the welfare parking lot. So, disregard that part of my comment! Sorry to confuse things... I had not read the latest...

I don't think you confused things. If they are looking for the driver, one would assume they would like to hear from anyone who saw a car parked there, especially if they saw a person near the car.
If the driver is the suspect, he probably is not going to come forward himself.
I don't think they said they only want to hear from the person who parked there. Imo

 

[Angleterre]

I wonder if the book or DVD of The Shack are available in the local Delphi public library and if any young males have borrowed them.

Excellent point

 

[neesaki]

I zoomed right in & he appears to be muttering to himself.

I wasn’t sure if he was talking or chewing gum... finally had to pull myself away from it as it was beginning to creep me out.

 

[MsBetsy]

So, they have now apparently discounted the person who supposedly provided the “secondary” sketch.

Ps:
That was all suspicious too, imo, when that came out, but I figured the lack of coming forward sooner was due to fear.

Are you sure they discounted them? I have not heard them say they have ruled out any of the witnesses providing descriptions.
I assume you are talking about the first sketch since he or she did not come forward until about 5 months after the murder. If anything, this now looks very suspicious. It could mean nothing at all, but I just wanted to clarify that LE has discounted this particular person!? (the person, not the suspect depicted in the sketch)

 

[MntnHiker]

I'm wondering if they got new information that made them change the direction of their focus because they had a new officer look at the file. When I have watched true crime cases on TV, even years-long cold cases (I know this isn't a cold case), often times the thing that breaks them is a new person with fresh eyes taking a look at the file. I wonder if someone even brand new to the police force was asked to take a look at see what they think and they noticed something that no one else had or others had looked at it a different way. Could be an error in someone's story or an issue with an alibi, etc. Just MOO

Heading off to work and will have to catch up on everything later, but my last thought before leaving is just again how incredibly tight of a timeline the crime had to have happened in. I imagine BG being there before the girls, maybe seeing them and wanting to attack them, but waiting until no one else was around because there were people there that day. I hike solo often, so I don't find it odd that people hike there, even alone, but I admit I was surprised to hear just how many people were at the trails in the middle of a Monday.

The timing for BG would have had to have been perfect and probably quite lucky (in his mind). Perhaps he had even witnessed other people he was considering attacking but there was always someone else around.

 

[Peppery]

It was like 40-something degrees!! I know I am from new Orleans where people will be breaking out coats at 60, but would yall not wear a jacket in the 40s? In the woods? That's a real question. In the 40s here, lots of people dont even want to walk out the door because they say it's too cold. I love it, but it is chilly!! So, I'm always confused by people thinking his jacket (not even a full winter coat) is too much. It seems very normal and appropriate, to me.

In the mid-40s, while hiking in the sunshine, I’d be horribly uncomfortable in a coat. Jeans and a T-shirt would be fine for me. If I was just walking around town, I’d probably have flip flops on too. People really do get acclimated to weather and it makes a huge difference. When I moved to Georgia, people were wearing pants and hoodies in 85 degree weather and I couldn’t understand it. I also love the cold and hate sweating. So to me, BG looks way overdressed. Then compare him with what the girls were wearing and he still looks like he has on many more layers than they did.

 

[MsBetsy]

That one threw me for a loop because I have always, since day one, perceived BG as wearing a baseball cap type hat, but in that video it looks quite clearly like he has a hood from a sweatshirt over his head.

Like, I've always thought he was wearing a sweatshirt under the coat, but I've never seen it as having the hood up.

That's funny because I always thought it was a sweatshirt hood, and never could see a baseball cap.
So many people still see some type of hat but I can't make it out at all.
I don't see sunglasses, half a sunglass, or a mustache either.

 

[flashy09]

I have a new take on the press conference. I think the police officer speaking was so upset and like "I can't believe this" because he is very familiar with a relative of the suspect (maybe he was in the room) and he was about to release a sketch that is SPOT ON of the suspect. I think it made him either very sad for the relative or very mad. A hugely shocking suspect to the relative if he truly wasn't covering up - which I am on the fence about. But either way he was dropping a bombshell with the new sketch because it will get this suspect caught.

In my opinion the suspect is not related to the girls family.

I am sure that sketch even at the time of being drawn (in my opinion) was not from a passerby, it was OF this suspect. Whoever helped with the sketch knew him. He was dismissed for some reason at the time, which is why I think an alibi that wasn't solid was provided (perhaps out of trust - a friend or relative took his word) or he just looked nothing like the video. If it's the second reason and no alibi was provided and the PD just didn't find him that interesting, they must be feeling awful right now.

I do think it was the sketch suspect on the bridge for sure. But not a good video for the public to find out who he is and I think it could even fool family.

 

[holtzmann]

Fresh thoughts this morning.

I wish I knew what caused LE to say that sketch #2 is definitely the face of the man on the bridge, and that he for certain is the killer. I just can't get away from the fact that they pivoted from "suspect" to "murderer."

I know I'm harping on it a lot, but that's a big difference in legal terminology that does change the approach. I don't know how else to explain it. There are procedures for dealing with suspects who have not been formally charged, even if circumstantial evidence makes them likely perpetrators.

To have police name someone a murderer after two years of ducking indicates to me that they have something that sealed the deal.

 

[Yellow Rose]

Evidently they don’t know who he is, as DC suggested he could be in the room, during PC. Either he was or was not, DC was not affirmative.
I hope they’re not starting over, some of the comments made seem conflicting, though. Especially-you want to know what we know. Was he only implying he thinks BG is following the case?

I don't think LE would stand there and point him out in front of a crowd of journalists for him to be attacked though either.

 

[FinePrint]

My consolidated theory.

The killer was telling the girls that he needed their help down the hill in order
to throw off their threat detection, he wanted to appear vulnerable. " Guys I need your help, my wife is hurt down the hill, my dog is hurt down the hill, my truck needs a push start down the hill, I will give you $50 each"
he threw one of the girls off the a the lower, descending part of the bridge in order
to order to gain control of the other while the she was shocked; most likely in a moment of opportunity.
His hat is a hunting/winter cap with ear flaps or a real tree regular baseball cap. He is wearing carpenter pants, a double layered jacket (one that you can unbutton the second layer). He might have a tapered a mustache, he has Caucasian features and possibly uses chewing tobacco.
He is clean, he might have been on his lunch break, working close by and living in one of the smaller towns of the area. He lives in such a setting and lives his life in such a manner that either his peers are miscreants and don't talk to the police, or he is liked and level headed enough to not throw up any flags. The phone was possibly found in the water and what audio there is was recovered using the FBI or State lab. The Drawings are my own, not LE! I updated my drawings a bit to include the cord on the jacket, layered shirts etc.

I've been watching your enhancements closely. Thanks for doing all of this. I've been waiting, actually hoping the type of shirt BG is wearing could be identified. I know there really is nothing there to work with but do you have any thoughts from what you see as to what type of shirt? Any possibility he is wearing a flannel shirt???

 

[SandyQLS]

A witness was also reportedly involved in creating the first sketch.

July 17, 2017
DELPHI, Ind. (AP) — A sketch authorities released Monday of a man considered the main suspect in the February killings of two northern Indiana girls was drawn in part from descriptions provided by someone who saw the suspect around the time the girls were slain, a sheriff said.

Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby said the witness saw the man walking near Delphi, about 60 miles (100 kilometers) northwest of Indianapolis, but only recently met with an FBI sketch artist to provide facial details for the rendering released by State Police...

.....Leazenby said he cannot discuss where the witness saw the unidentified man, who authorities consider the main suspect in the slayings of 14-year-old Liberty German and 13-year-old Abigail Williams. He said the witness saw the man around the time the girls were killed...”
Witness aided in sketch of suspect in Indiana teens' deaths

Saw him walking? On a road? I just got a vibe here from that old article that the witness who worked with the FBI sketch artist might be an Indiana state trooper... someone who would have patrol training to notice and remember some guy walking along a road...

ETA: Correcting my misunderstanding of where the person was seen walking.

 

[MsBetsy]

Well if he’s talking to himself, then we’re possibly dealing with a different type of killer entirely (a mentally ill one).

The crime scene would make that clear, atleast to investigators.

That clip doesn’t get me there though.

Wow, I guess I had better stop talking to myself!
I don't know about his having mental illness, but I am assuming this guy has got to be pretty twisted to do such a horrible, sickening thing.
I gathered from the way Carter described the crime scene, (How you left them in the woods that day is not what they are experiencing now) that it was particularly disturbing. Maybe it was very brutal or sadistic.
At the very least the killer has a dark side that he has managed to hide from those around him. Jmo

 

[kc1023]

omg LOL @ whoever crossed out OSG (old sketch guy) face posted to the right next to NSG (new sketch guy)

that's hilarious, i am literally LOL

 

[gregjrichards]

I hope they are taking the FBI flyer to places he may go like the barbers, local bars, gun ranges to see if anyone recognises him.

 

[gregjrichards]

omg LOL @ whoever crossed out OSG (old sketch guy) face posted to the right next to NSG (new sketch guy)

that's hilarious, i am literally LOL

It would have been helpful to do that at the press conference to reinforce the message.