Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #95

[MassGuy]

Not much new, but the part about the suspect’s description is important to keep in mind.


In the week since that new information has been released, Indiana State Police say they have received nearly 2,000 new tips including 1,500 via email, 337 calls to the tip line and 115 calls to local posts and sheriff's departments.

Indiana State Police also have also clarified that the only part of the suspect description that has changed is the suspect's age. The suspect is still described as being between 5 feet 6 inches tall and 5 feet 9 inches tall and between 180 and 220 pounds with reddish-brown hair and an unknown eye color.

ISP: Nearly 2K tips in week since new Delphi sketch released

ETA: Since these sketches are of two different people, and the height, weight, and hair color remains the same, that tells me that this description of the suspect, must have been made based on the video itself.

 

[kizzykat]

Have police said they physically have the phone itself?

Way back I found & posted a news video that showed a LE van/truck and the news interviewer was inside talking about extracting data from Libby's phone, and they demonstrated how it would be done. It even showed the software they used, that showed up briefly on the phone screen during the demo. I remember checking out the software site. The article was hard to find at the time and I don't know if I could find it again unless I wade through all my posts, but the general gist was yes, they had the phone. Sorry, MOO on that unless/until I can find that article or my post again.

 

[Matic]

I've noticed one other tidbit in the newly released sketch aside from the possible semi lazy right eye.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned it because of the myths associated with this condition.

Anyone see "3 whites" Sanpaku?

Now how close would you have to be to this person to notice something like that? Pretty much face to face.

 

[BradB]

Who care if there has been 2K in tips. What does it matter if they dont amount to anything? We are sitting at 40K in tips between both the sketches.

LE has nothing.

 

[Angelcat13]

Thank you for posting this Greg. As our Mods instruct, let us contact the tip line vs. post anything substantive here.

Despite a five year difference and a six hour drive, I believe when this case is solved; the case of Lyric and Lizzie is solved too.
Time will tell, but I'd say it' more than a chance.

Amateur opinion and speculation

I remember there being several posts back in the beginning threads of this case about a possible connection between Abby and Libby and Lyric and Lizzie. In at least one of the posts someone posted something that could just be a VERY strange coincidence or could point to a link between the two cases. I'm sure this was discussed back then so maybe some of the long-term followers of this thread can comment on this -

Lyric & Lizzie were killed on July 13, 2012 7/13/12 71312
Abby & Libby were killed on February 13, 2017 2/13/17 21317

The dates being mirror images of each other really hit home for me because I have two sons who are 21 years apart and, despite there being 365 days in a year, the older one was born March 28th - 328 - and the younger one was born August 23rd - 823. After the death of my older son just months after Abby & Libby were killed, I found some comfort in this uncanny numerical connection - believing that it was a "sign" that the two brothers had a more-than-typical connection from the beginning.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

Im really confused re the obg/sk1 being a s.o recently arrested and therefore a different physical entity to younger Sk2/bg, rather than a reinterpretation of one entity?

 

[spiritkiss]

Has anyone seen many sketches of suspects that ever really look very much like the suspect when arrested? To me they look like hundreds of people walking the streets. There needs to almost be something that is really prominent and distinct. Hopefully on this sketch its the chin.

 

[NameUser]

deleted by me and sorted out by all you fine folks

 

[MassGuy]

Who care if there has been 2K in tips. What does it matter if they dont amount to anything? We are sitting at 40K in tips between both the sketches.

LE has nothing.

Yes, but these tips are likely based on that new sketch, and that information about the vehicle parked in that abandoned (building) lot.

These tips are more valuable than most of the other ones, because of this new information.

We have no idea what is going to come of this, but to say “who cares,” is premature.

Law enforcement cares.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Regarding new info. I truly doubt this is the case. But. Death bed information? Would that be considered hearsay and not admissible? But enough to say follow that guy and get some public DNA?

 

[margarita25]

HLN special returns with Carter’s clip: “We know this about power for you. Only a coward would do such a thing. We are confident you ya e told someone what you have done, or at the very least they know because of how different you are since the murders. We try so hard to understand how a person can do something like this to two children. I believe you have just a little bit of a conscience left. We believe you are hiding in plain sight.” (showing sketch over and over)

—
Male host is saying how a lot of people online are comparing the murderer to the character of Kevin Costner Mr.Brooks where he leads the double life, serial killer on one side, successful family man on the other”, showing a clip.

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Host asking CG “what kind of man that can do that, family man on one side, killer on the other”

Other host mentions Bundy

CG: “You see it with almost all serial killers but we don’t know that our suspect here has done it before or will do it again.” (My opinion both are highly likely)

She says by the police saying “we are close to you is probably what’s keeping him from acting on fantasies. If there is a potential to do this again it’s only being contained y the scrutiny. That’s why they want people to call in, if someone they know changes their appearance radically, gains weight, loses weight, shaves their head, moves out of town, quits their job, any change is a reaction to this presser. Now, does it mean he will do it again because by calling someone a coward, that was very brazen, that usually provokes someone into proving they are not a coward and doing it again” (agreed, moo, risky jmo) “That means they are either really close or this person they are counting on the idea he is so contained by public scrutiny and by police presence that he’s not going to act until he trips up.”

(Hmmm, interesting)

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Host saying how she has a hard time with this being a “crime of opportunity”..”she has a hard time saying that someone was at that bridge, sees the girls and says “oh hey how about a brutal public murder?” (This is exaaactly what I said again last night)

Everybody is nodding their heads yes on this.

MO is saying how “this could have been a target-rich environment and on a day when kids are off school the kids are going to be there, just like during Spring Break or summer time at a college campus. That’s when you see a lot of these attacks increase. And these two girls, he could’ve just been parked in that parking lot just waiting for someone to get dropped off who for his fantasy.”

 

[Wells]

I remember there being several posts back in the beginning threads of this case about a possible connection between Abby and Libby and Lyric and Lizzie. In at least one of the posts someone posted something that could just be a VERY strange coincidence or could point to a link between the two cases. I'm sure this was discussed back then so maybe some of the long-term followers of this thread can comment on this -

Lyric & Lizzie were killed on July 13, 2012 7/13/12 71312
Abby & Libby were killed on February 13, 2017 2/13/17 21317

The dates being mirror images of each other really hit home for me because I have two sons who are 21 years apart and, despite there being 365 days in a year, the older one was born March 28th - 328 - and the younger one was born August 23rd - 823. After the death of my older son just months after Abby & Libby were killed, I found some comfort in this uncanny numerical connection - believing that it was a "sign" that the two brothers had a more-than-typical connection from the beginning.

This is pretty far out there but this post got me thinking, the number 13 (February 13th) does have significance in Christianity.

Edited to add, when I wrote, "This is pretty far out there," I meant my idea. Not the original poster's.

 

[Inthedetails]

In addition, he may have been smart enough to not have wanted the phone to leave that location at all and pinpoint his whereabouts.

Maybe he tried to get the phone and Libby threw it? And he didn't have time to search in the leaf litter, etc., and simply hoped it wouldn't be found?

We don't know that he ever knew he was recorded so, you're right, he might have wanted it to stay with her rather than be traced to his movements, not realizing his image and voice were on it.

jmo

 

[rsd1200]

Yes, that has been verified.

Thank you, Jax. I'd not known that (or had forgotten).

 

[CSIDreamer]

This is pretty far out there but this post got me thinking, the number 13 (February 13th) does have significance in Christianity.

Edited to add, when I wrote, "This is pretty far out there," I meant my idea. Not the original poster's.

What significance is the number 13?

 

[Boxer]

His chin is very distinctive isn’t it?

MOO to me the short upper lip is unusual.

 

[spiritkiss]

I remember there being several posts back in the beginning threads of this case about a possible connection between Abby and Libby and Lyric and Lizzie. In at least one of the posts someone posted something that could just be a VERY strange coincidence or could point to a link between the two cases. I'm sure this was discussed back then so maybe some of the long-term followers of this thread can comment on this -

Lyric & Lizzie were killed on July 13, 2012 7/13/12 71312
Abby & Libby were killed on February 13, 2017 2/13/17 21317

The dates being mirror images of each other really hit home for me because I have two sons who are 21 years apart and, despite there being 365 days in a year, the older one was born March 28th - 328 - and the younger one was born August 23rd - 823. After the death of my older son just months after Abby & Libby were killed, I found some comfort in this uncanny numerical connection - believing that it was a "sign" that the two brothers had a more-than-typical connection from the beginning.

People tend not to see these things. After my son passed away his license plate hit me hard. It told me when his death would occur. literally spelled it out and said it. I cant say it in public due to its his plate but it stated it. My son also when little use to draw pictures of tall buildings being hit by planes with bodys falling out. I came close to bringing him to a psychologist because they were disturbing. Not long after the twin towers were hit by planes. My son was buried on the anniversary day of 911. People dont see these things but they are there to see. If it stands out to you then it very well could have meaning.

 

[Wells]

What significance is the number 13?

"The Last Supper: At Jesus Christ's last supper, there were thirteen people around the table, counting Christ and the twelve apostles. Some believe this is unlucky because one of those thirteen, Judas Iscariot, was the betrayer of Jesus Christ."

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

MOO to me the short upper lip is unusual.

But not the short upper cut, Im assuming?

 

[Theforeigner]

I remember there being several posts back in the beginning threads of this case about a possible connection between Abby and Libby and Lyric and Lizzie. In at least one of the posts someone posted something that could just be a VERY strange coincidence or could point to a link between the two cases. I'm sure this was discussed back then so maybe some of the long-term followers of this thread can comment on this -

Lyric & Lizzie were killed on July 13, 2012 7/13/12 71312
Abby & Libby were killed on February 13, 2017 2/13/17 21317

The dates being mirror images of each other really hit home for me because I have two sons who are 21 years apart and, despite there being 365 days in a year, the older one was born March 28th - 328 - and the younger one was born August 23rd - 823. After the death of my older son just months after Abby & Libby were killed, I found some comfort in this uncanny numerical connection - believing that it was a "sign" that the two brothers had a more-than-typical connection from the beginning.

I posted this back in March 2017:

Is there connection between the Abigail/Liberty murder and the Lyric/Elizabeth murder ?


Due to that another double murder of young underaged girls has been mentioned her on this thread I took a look at this other case and found some similarities which could point to some kind of connection between the Delphi, Indiana double murder case and the Meyers Lake/Evansdale,/Bremer County, Iowa case.

I wonder if the LE have found a DNA match between the unknown killer of
Abigail/Liberty and the unknown killer of Lyric/Elizabeth?

Here are some of the similarities:

Abigail Williams and Liberty German
disappeared the 13th (feb, 2017), at ca 1PM
Abducted in area by trails and water
Killer dumped the girls bodies on a bank by a river
Crime location connected to bridge

Lyric Cook-Morrissey and Elizabeth Collins
disappeared the 13th (june 2012), at ca 1 PM
Abducted in area by trails and water
Killer dumped the girls bodies on a bank by a river
Crime location connected to bridge


And take a look her IMO:

Abigail and and Lyric look alike and Liberty and Elizabeth look alike !

So, IF there is a killer DNA match between this two cases then it is the same killer, a serial killer ?.
If there is NOT a killer DNA match, could it be a copy killer of the Lyric/Elizabeth murder?


FYI here is a link with info on the Lyric/Elizabeth murder case :

Evansdale