Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #96

[x_files]

I tend to agree, I think there were a lot of things in that press conference that were intended to make BG question what all evidence that investigators may have on him.

They want him to feel as though the walls are closing in

They want him to start acting out of his normal routine and character and missing work/ previous commitments

they want him to tell someone that he thinks he is being framed

They basically just want him to talk, talk to anyone about his uneasiness

They probably have there eyes and ears focused on a small group of suspects and are just waiting to pounce

I wonder if anyone in Delphi is acting strange? Dyed hair, grew a beard, changed their appearance drastically or disappeared, moved away, didn't return from college after all or took a sudden trip out of the country. In a town of 3,000, there's bound to be local chatter.

 

[Satchie]

I tend to agree, I think there were a lot of things in that press conference that were intended to make BG question what all evidence that investigators may have on him.

They want him to feel as though the walls are closing in

They want him to start acting out of his normal routine and character and missing work/ previous commitments

they want him to tell someone that he thinks he is being framed

They basically just want him to talk, talk to anyone about his uneasiness

They probably have there eyes and ears focused on a small group of suspects and are just waiting to pounce

I completely agree with this.

I was just reading about an unrelated (non violent) case, when a perp thought police were getting too warm, even though they had no idea who he was, he inexplicably called them, out of the blue, with an alibi that he had been with an imagery person doing a fake activity. They easily busted his story and arrested and charged him.

 

[Boxer]

After watching BG’s gait, I wonder why he was walking on the right side of the bridge, and then suddenly (appears) veers to the left?

MOO he is veering to his right side to cut Abby off and grab her before she gains the end of the bridge.
MOO to me that veering step always looked like a move to initiate a rush.

 

[Yellow Rose]

Delphi murders: Sheriff pleads, stop posting side-by-side photos of suspects and new sketch
The Carroll County Sheriff’s Office posted this Tuesday morning on Facebook:

“Please STOP posting side-by-side pictures of people you think did this. You are ruining innocent people’s lives. Before posting a side by side, imagine that is your son, brother, or father.

“If you have a tip, we have given you the proper way to report it.

“[email protected] or 844-459-5786. “

I cringe when I see people do that. Lives are utterly destroyed.

 

[CSIDreamer]

After watching BG’s gait, I wonder why he was walking on the right side of the bridge, and then suddenly (appears) veers to the left?

IMO moving in on the girls.

 

[TL4S]

I've seen maps with differing points where the girls were dropped off - main trailhead, or near the nature preserve. IMO, this is an important detail. Do we have any sources that tell us with certainty?

 

[carbuff]

MOO he is veering to his right side to cut Abby off and grab her before she gains the end of the bridge.
MOO to me that veering step always looked like a move to initiate a rush.

It looks to me like he looks up just as he takes that step, too.

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes, people on the internet can help, but if you look on social media you'll see people have thrown out names and ran INNOCENT people's names through the mud. Same thing happened with the Missy Bevers case. While there are some very wise people (and use common sense) there are also some who just want to throw out info. and hope it sticks. JMO

I have not seen that myself, but have heard plenty.
It must be pretty bad for LE to come out and say how much harm that does to an investigation.
Good thing we only stick with the facts and evidence here.
With all the new tips that have come in since the last PC, I'm hoping they are very busy following some leads.
They must be close. I keep thinking any day now we will hear something.
I still think it's possible that they know exactly who the killer is but are waiting for that one piece of evidence they need to arrest, and more importantly, convict him.
They asked us to be patient. Nobody wants this guy to slip through their fingers, I'm sure! Imo

 

[FinePrint]

Also curious about that! I’ve heard both “couple taking pictures” and “arguing”. Has ANY couple come forth to clear or identify themselves? If they haven’t, it’s not impossible that what was seen involved the girls and BG (only saw him leading one while other was ahead or behind? Just heard voices of man and female?)

And the thing about pictures...in this article LE is asking if anyone has information about seeing someone parked in the area or taking pictures to come forward.

Abigail Williams & Liberty German: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

 

[Skully]

I think the recording of him talking to them may have been an accident that it got recorded. I try to image how scared these girls were when they realized he was coming for them. She has her phone out, she has already video him on the bridge, at some point he caught up with them and they have to know they are in danger. He may have had a gun pointed at them to make them comply with his demands of making them go down the hill. If they could have gotten away, they would have ran, so it makes me think he had a weapon. She may have hit the record icon on her phone by accident, the sound in between sounds like wind or her maybe putting her phone against her body to hid it, something like that. I don't know how he didn't find it and take the phone, so she may have had it in a pocket or someplace he didn't see it. IDK. But it was an act of God that they retrieved that phone.

 

[drama_farmer]

It reminds me of playing Beatles albums backwards to hear if Paul is dead.

Absolutely, carbuff !

I've been speculating about reasons that LE released the audio as it is:

#1: IMO, it would make it more difficult for random folks to alter it and present it as something else.

Example? Online sleuths (present company excluded, of course!) turn up saying something like (IMO) "I have this recording of a guy who I suspect is the BG, and I happened to record him saying the exact same phrase!!!"​

That's not going to work if the original audio from LE has very noticeable distortion or background noise which is already as "cleaned up" as possible IMO.

#2: I would think LE is very careful when it comes to tweaking evidence like this. If they clean it up too much, it may raise some sort of objection from the Defense during/before an actual trial. It might sound like nitpicking to you or me, but those types of nits have been picked before! MOO

 

[ab01]

MOO he is veering to his right side to cut Abby off and grab her before she gains the end of the bridge.
MOO to me that veering step always looked like a move to initiate a rush.

I'm not sure its possible for us to make that determination

The video is very blurry hence likely zoomed to a point to cause the extreme pixilation

The suspect is likely much further away from the victims than it appears in the clip

JMO

 

[max99]

There are some interesting sermons.
I think an arrest will come soon .It really will be someone's Darkest Hour.

one can HOPE.

 

[ocgrad]

I tend to agree, I think there were a lot of things in that press conference that were intended to make BG question what all evidence that investigators may have on him.

They want him to feel as though the walls are closing in

They want him to start acting out of his normal routine and character and missing work/ previous commitments

they want him to tell someone that he thinks he is being framed

They basically just want him to talk, talk to anyone about his uneasiness

They probably have there eyes and ears focused on a small group of suspects and are just waiting to pounce

Back in Feb after the anniversary there was an HLN interview. Not sure if is online to view but the reporter tweeted about it and said the LE officer said while they had as many as 1100 people to look at for this at the beginning they were at that time down to 1-2 dozen. Now that was after the conviction of the deputy who is said to be the POI of the first sketch so they were well into changing gears and new direction by then. Possibly since Feb something yielded fruit and they have zeroed in.

 

[Boxer]

I'm not sure its possible for us to make that determination

The video is very blurry hence likely zoomed to a point to cause the extreme pixilation

The suspect is likely much farther away from the victims than it appears in the clip

JMO

You are right about the distance.
Police have stated the attack
began immediately after the video clip.
MOO to me that would mean he has to pick up speed to close the distance and Abby's trajectory off the bridge.

 

[Skully]

I was also thinking about any DNA evidence. I think they may only have a partial profile on this person. If they think they may have talked to a relative or have it narrowed down to 1-2 dozen people, they have a partial match. You can't run it against CODIS, or put it in DNA parabon to get a match or relatives, you need a full profile to do that.

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't I have to assume at the time that lead to a dead end and was reopened just this past month. The car parked at the parking lot the day the girls went missing.

Ok, it wasn't clear to me that you were talking about that specific car.
But we still don't know how much they know about that car. Some have said they know the owner and who it is registered to but I have not seen that verified.
They are looking for the driver. If they know who the car is registered to I would think it wouldn't be to hard to track him down. How do we know it led to a dead end previously? Maybe it was not meaningful to them at that time.
Wouldn't they have had that information from the start?
Maybe they are just looking to confirm that the driver is BG? Maybe they have been told a different story and need to prove otherwise? I don't know.
It's difficult because we can't confirm exactly what car it is that is in question. Imo

 

[ocgrad]

I'm not sure its possible for us to make that determination

The video is very blurry hence likely zoomed to a point to cause the extreme pixilation

The suspect is likely much farther away from the victims than it appears in the clip

JMO

50 feet from Libby but unknown from Abby.

 

[carbuff]

We need to remember that just because we never heard the result of a query or lead, that doesn't mean it wasn't followed up on and resolved to LE's satisfaction, or maybe is a still open question for them.

 

[ocgrad]

I was also thinking about any DNA evidence. I think they may only have a partial profile on this person. If they think they may have talked to a relative or have it narrowed down to 1-2 dozen people, they have a partial match. You can't run it against CODIS, or put it in DNA parabon to get a match or relatives, you need a full profile to do that.

I agree. It also matters where the DNA was found. If on a cigarette it is only proof he was in the woods. If the butt was pulled from the creek he could say he was at the creek much farther upstream. Maybe it is complete and they didnt want to release a Parabon sketch because it would show just what they do have.