IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #18

[margarita25]

( Hi guys. Any news today? Just getting in. Tia. )

 

[margarita25]

Awesome, I see the reward has jumped!

"The reward for information leading to an arrest in the murders of Abigail and Liberty rose to more than $200,000 on Wednesday."
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...n-leaves-message-of-support-for-investigators

(Almost up to Holly Bobo's, which was $250,000)

 

[liltexans]

Awesome, I see the reward has jumped!

"The reward for information leading to an arrest in the murders of Abigail and Liberty rose to more than $200,000 on Wednesday."
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...n-leaves-message-of-support-for-investigators

(Almost up to Holly Bobo's, which was $250,000)

Yes, it's up to $211,000. I think it might pass Holly's at the rate it's increasing. LE has also received over 11,000 tips so far.

 

[IndependentFeed]

Same here.

OK, it's time to 'out myself' a little, now that I feel comfortable about doing so. I'll start by stating that your side-by-side images of you and BG made me laugh. As in "I sit here by myself reading up on these horrible crimes on WS" LMAO kind of laugh, and I thank you for that.

Glad I could be of service! A lot of the stuff on here lately has been bordering on the absurd, trying to make the most of what little clues we've been given.

 

[margarita25]

Just bringing fwd the latest msm to catch up, sorry for repeat, so many posts:

Delphi, Indiana: Grandparents of murdered teen leaves message of support for investigators'We are forever grateful for your service'
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...n-leaves-message-of-support-for-investigators

"Abigail's grandparents made a stop at a board where the community can now leave messages for investigators. Their message to police offered prayers and thanks:

"Where are the police when you need them? I have uttered these words whenever a speeding or reckless driver nearly runs me or someone else off the road. Where are the police when you need them? They are here, in Delphi, with us. We pray for your protection, and we are forever grateful for your service" -*Diane & Eric (Abby's grandparents)

New signs of support were also posted by students and clergy. One encourages investigators not to quit and says "You are one step closer than you were yesterday. Don't give up." Another shows photos of Abigail and Liberty along with a poem and a placard with the tip line number. And one simply says "Thanks for your dedication and hard work.""

 

[margarita25]

Yes, it's up to $211,000. I think it might pass Holly's at the rate it's increasing. LE has also received over 11,000 tips so far.

Great, thanks liltexans!

 

[Mothra]

I definitely believe the 2 still shots of the perp recovered on Liberty's phone is all the footage the authorities have of him. Its very likely that the girls were just filming one another and goofing off for the camera when Liberty heard someone run on the bridge and quickly turned while still filming before lowering her arm. So the 2 still photos are the perp in mid run coming toward them. She then either shoved the phone into her pocket while still recording or had it confiscated by the perp immediately while being ushered "down the hill" and it being shut off. I don't think it was intuition. I have teenage children and honestly they can be oblivious to their surroundings. I don't think they had any reason to be on alert until that moment in time. JMO MOO

 

[krey]

I have read references to BG being a "catfish" or a "cat fisher". What does this mean? Does it mean he could have been literally fishing or "noodling" for catfish? Or, does it just mean he is probably a mid west hick?

LOL. Thank you for the laugh

A "catfish" is someone who creates a fake identity online in order to lure someone into something. In this case, just for example, BG could have connected with the girls online and said he was a boy their age so that he could gain their trust and set up a meeting at the bridge.

 

[IndependentFeed]

Same here.

OK, it's time to 'out myself' a little, now that I feel comfortable about doing so. I'll start by stating that your side-by-side images of you and BG made me laugh. As in "I sit here by myself reading up on these horrible crimes on WS" LMAO kind of laugh, and I thank you for that. Since joining this great community last year, I haven't been amused on here, at all. Many people where I'm from would think I am a LE guy, by my look and demeanor. I'm not, but I 'notice' things about people. I'm observant.

That reminds me, what made me literally laugh out loud: I was trolling through the offender database trying to find a match to bridge guy and was checking the address to see if anything stuck out... one of people had "Address: Federal Custody". Can't wait till this a**hole shares that residence.

 

[mpnola]

I have to say that I think this has been my favorite websleuths catch up day ever. I have been here for a few years (super weird hobby, huh?) and I don't think I have ever seen a person reenact a perp before! Genius! And I couldn't stop giggling about it. Independent feed- I will be calling on you for reenactments from here on out. Get your clothing stash stocked!

And falling down- I am with you! I feel like I'm with my people tonight! The ones who don't think it's weird that you notice the smallest details that don't fit into something and like to use that skill in sleuthing!

Bravo, fellow sleuthers. People should pay us!!!

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[kat913]

I have finally come around to agreeing with some others that we may be dealing with a real SK.

The other thought I had is how he was able to just appear on the bridge.
Ive always wondered if maybe he was hiding under the bridge on one of those rafters and found a little nook to stay hidden as they walked overhead. Then when they got past him he climbs on up to top and starts walking right at them.

To them it would have looked like he magically appeared on the bridge.

So BG really is a Bridge Troll !!

 

[Falling Down]

100% with you. Do you like up the hill to the cemetary for the escape route? Or the iron bridge that you could get to by following the creek east?

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I'm 18 threads deep into a high-profile case where two juvenile girls first were declared missing, then were found murdered 22 hours after a Snapchat post.

BG knew not only the park, but the possible LE response to his heinous crimes.

That's my brass tacks assessment. He's done it before, and it scares me to state this, most likely (come on, people) watched the same YouTube videos to perpetrate this crime.

We've pieced together various scenarios here on WS. Members here stated stuff which indicated they thought this guy is some dumb who has spent his entire work career picking up scrap lumber at work sites, and "just happened upon" the incredibly hidden Monon High Bridge adjacent to Delphi, Indiana. I had no idea there was a Delphi, Indiana, until I scoped out a driving route from my home outside Fort Watne, to Lafayette to a concert venue in Lafayette. A week before these murders.

Who the heck even knows where Delphi is located? There are people in that community who clearly do not know how to access the trail which leads to the Monon High Bridge, over Deer Creek. Who would know where it's located, and/or why?

Drifters? Please. MOO is this guy is a pro, and viewed the same videos we here at WS have viewed since this crime was first reported, here.

He knew the terrain better than people who visit the park on a regular basis. As a rabid hiker, I watch for that random encounter with someone like BG. I hike alone, after all, who wants to hike/walk alone or in a group of two or three, at most. I've dated two women who were into hiking and (when I was younger and could actually run ;-)) who would go out alone on trails, but they were public trails with either A) Park service type folks, who were fairly vigilant about watching a trail/path, especially towards nightfall, or B) Known 'safe' trails, with residential properties along most of said trail.

Catch my drift? This perpetrator knows all of what I posted above. He was counting on girls of a certain demographic being on that bridge, that day. Girls off from school. Girls who were not as leery of strangers as, say, males of a certain age, and young women out alone and life experienced enough, to where a perp like this one would avoid such a person. This perp set out that day to do what he did, to the demographic he did it to. More vulnerable, etc.

A damned monster.

 

[mpnola]

Side question- was the triple photo of the jacket, hand, hoodie thing also a reenactment? By ind feed? If so, can you link me to that original post. I couldn't find my way.

Still laughing. Love that someone else took the photos for you. My friends would look at me so side eyed!

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[they'll get you]

LOL. Thank you for the laugh

A "catfish" is someone who creates a fake identity online in order to lure someone into something. In this case, just for example, BG could have connected with the girls online and said he was a boy their age so that he could gain their trust and set up a meeting at the bridge.

Or a parent who has access to their kids Facebook?

Also, could that 'fanny bag' be a clip-on camera case or a case for a camping tool like a Leatherman.

Love and prayers from Australia.

 

[rmoeller]

My girl could be Abigails twin. We've had her on swinging bridges, sides of cliffs, trails I had to back out of. There is no way she would set foot on that bridge. She wouldn't do it holding her dad's hand.

 

[ezrah]

http://fox59.com/2017/03/01/arrests...bc14&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

 

[NancyDrew007]

Just a funny side note, if you search google for images of man with carpenter belt, expect to see half naked men in great shape and probably employed as strippers lol... I can't imagine what my husband would say if he walked in on me looking at these belts!


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[bessie]

While the "artist rendering" is an excellent work of art, it has no bearing on this case unless it is a sketch that is released by law enforcement.

All posts containing it have been removed.

:bump:

 

[Lilibet]

:welcome: Falling Down. What a fascinating and informative post. Thank you.

 

[Mothra]

I'm 18 threads deep into a high-profile case where two juvenile girls first were declared missing, then were found murdered 22 hours after a Snapchat post.

BG knew not only the park, but the possible LE response to his heinous crimes.

That's my brass tacks assessment. He's done it before, and it scares me to state this, most likely (come on, people) watched the same YouTube videos to perpetrate this crime.

We've pieced together various scenarios here on WS. Members here stated stuff which indicated they thought this guy is some dumb who has spent his entire work career picking up scrap lumber at work sites, and "just happened upon" the incredibly hidden Monon High Bridge adjacent to Delphi, Indiana. I had no idea there was a Delphi, Indiana, until I scoped out a driving route from my home outside Fort Watne, to Lafayette to a concert venue in Lafayette. A week before these murders.

Who the heck even knows where Delphi is located? There are people in that community who clearly do not know how to access the trail which leads to the Monon High Bridge, over Deer Creek. Who would know where it's located, and/or why?

Drifters? Please. MOO is this guy is a pro, and viewed the same videos we here at WS have viewed since this crime was first reported, here.

He knew the terrain better than people who visit the park on a regular basis. As a rabid hiker, I watch for that random encounter with someone like BG. I hike alone, after all, who wants to hike/walk alone or in a group of two or three, at most. I've dated two women who were into hiking and (when I was younger and could actually run ;-)) who would go out alone on trails, but they were public trails with either A) Park service type folks, who were fairly vigilant about watching a trail/path, especially towards nightfall, or B) Known 'safe' trails, with residential properties along most of said trail.

Catch my drift? This perpetrator knows all of what I posted above. He was counting on girls of a certain demographic being on that bridge, that day. Girls off from school. Girls who were not as leery of strangers as, say, males of a certain age, and young women out alone and life experienced enough, to where a perp like this one would avoid such a person. This perp set out that day to do what he did, to the demographic he did it to. More vulnerable, etc.

A damned monster.

Whole heartedly agree. This is a small dirt town that no one knows about and nothing ever happens in. This isn't
the same as being a 13 or 14 yr old girl walking through Central Park and constantly being on high alert. This spot was said to be a local teenage hangout. It was 2:30pm in the afternoon mid-week.
I also don't believe this was catfishing or the authorities would have much more to go on. I think it's likely that this is a possible SK who put time into knowing his surroundings. I also don't think he planned to cross the creek. I think the girls made a run for it and hoped if they took the worst route he wouldn't follow. Unfortunately they spoiled his fun, saw his face and got him wet ...His plan didn't work out so he probably put more energy into catching them then into his fantasy. Meaning he likely spent much less time there then he hoped. Which could explain a lack of sexual assault. IMO MOO

Also- If he's running/kind of skipping while watching the slats in the bridge... his back would be slightly arched. Scoliosis is a stretch IMO