IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #29

[Ray_of_hope]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4316594/Two-teens-murdered-Colorado-road.html

Maybe they are related? It is strange

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http://gazette.com/sheriff-two-bodi...ado-springs-a-double-homicide/article/1598745
Good grief!

 

[Spellbound]

The. Picture of Abby holding the fish was not taken at Deer Creek, IMO. The Wabash river is close by and by the size of the water in the pic that is not Deer Creek IMO. Tracks cross the Wabash as well and that must be in a different location than Deer Creek. I worked near Delphi for 10 years and the water behind Abby is the Wabash River IMO.

Chinook3

Oh lordy, another confusing map fiasco? That might explain the wires overhead in the fishing photo. I wish we could get confirmation of where she was fishing, even though I know that is impossible.

thanks for the info, Chinook3

 

[antechinusRAWR]

I agree.
I just think that if they saw something serious enough to cost them their lives, they don't continue walking along snapping pictures of scenery as if it's a normal day.

IMO they get the hell outta dodge, or worst case, Libby has her phone, she makes a call to somebody.

BG knows the area, and while not 2 victims necessarily, he had played this thing out in his mind before. Whether or not he went there for this exact purpose that day, we can debate until the cows come home. But I think Libby and Abby ended up being at the wrong place, wrong time....victims of opportunity. JMO.

At this point I agree with your conclusions. There's another girl I think of often in relation to Abby & Libby. I've read all the threads & don't think I've seen her mentioned so far - apologies to all if I've missed posts & I'm rehashing.

April Millsap was from Michigan & the same age as Libby. She went out with her dog for an innocent walk on a local trail that she'd visited many times in the past without incident.

She also used her ph to record her concern, in her case it was because of an approach by a (then) unidentified man who returned soon afterwards & attacked her.

There was no pre-arranged meeting, she was just a young teen girl, out enjoying a walk with her dog in a public place when she crossed paths with an evil .

In April's case he took her ph from the scene & it was evidence relating to her ph & (from memory) footprints he left at the scene that helped convict him. (He's already been to trial but continued to protest his innocence at sentencing)

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/114373042-story


I guess that *IF* BG was aware of her case, he *may* have made a point of attempting to destroy Libby's ph & leaving it at the scene so that he couldn't be tracked down the same way (that's a very big "if" though & wasn't my point in mentioning the case, I'm completely on the fence re whether LE physically have Libby's ph, or retrieved everything they could from cloud storage).


There's a thread for April here for anyone unfamiliar with her case :

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?251244-MI-April-Millsap-14-Armada-24-July-2014-1

 

[Jabarn]

Weston Gray? They guy who was peeping on the southeast side of Indy?

Yes...

 

[Beth11311]

I am starting to think this as well, just a hunch. But I would think it's possible there wouldn't be any traffic on that gravel road/drive as one could speculate that it's possible that the few homeowners might be at work during the day. Quick easy route to get in and out and likely nobody would be the wiser....MOO

I would think there would be more traffic on the road by the cemetery MOO


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Perhaps park at someone's house that he knew wasn't home...car hidden...

 

[Beth11311]

Maybe one or both saw something in the days preceding.

I'm always interested in hearing opposing thoughts! What do you think they would have seen that would be so incredibly important to that person that they would slaughter two innocent kids? I can't imagine there was a drug deal or something so big that they just happened to see go down, IMO drug deals/exchanges/copping dope is generally conducted in houses, or places really remote, not just out somewhere that they would have stumbled upon. And even then, if they saw something, why not threaten them, rather than kill them (as terrible as that sounds). I just am struggling to imagine a scenario that would warrant killing these two girls. IMO, MOO

 

[RyRyLloyd]

Just want to make a comment about the photo of the suspect. The police have stated that the photo is a 'still' from a video... now, what's bugging me is the fcat that they can't show off the whole video. Take into account that;

- The suspect is, at the very least, in his 40's.
- The bridge is relatively tough to walk on.
- The suspect is a good 10-15, possibly even 20 yards away from where the girls are.

My question is, what on earth could have been recorded in the 2-4 seconds after that 'still'?? A 2-4 second clip could make a major difference.

 

[alexwood]

What happened to the profile of the suspect that was supposed to be developed?

I'm just guessing, but....probably only for LE?

Well, BM, I think that's about right. We won't ever be seeing it. But, in the meantime, here are two good resources for developing your own profile, based on how LE manages such cases. These references were provided to us by our own Ms. Opinionated.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/pr/201316.pdf

http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/archive/documents/homicide_missing.pdf

 

[ezrah]

This man seems menacing to me.
Just his body language. Hand in the pocket looking down all covered up.
He was after them.

Was he meeting persons there to rob someone.
Sell drugs.
I still think these little girls saw him doing something and he came after them.
But that's JMO

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[alexwood]

Way OT, but a baby eaglet just hatched out of his egg in nest at the D.C. Metropolitan Police Academy in Southeast Washington, D.C. There is one other egg in nest due to hatch any day.

 

[Jabarn]

Just want to make a comment about the photo of the suspect. The police have stated that the photo is a 'still' from a video... now, what's bugging me is the fcat that they can't show off the whole video. Take into account that;

- The suspect is, at the very least, in his 40's.
- The bridge is relatively tough to walk on.
- The suspect is a good 10-15, possibly even 20 yards away from where the girls are.

My question is, what on earth could have been recorded in the 2-4 seconds after that 'still'?? A 2-4 second clip could make a major difference.

I know. It is frustrating. I THINK the stills came right before the abduction (my opinion). I don't think the families would want that video evidence provided to the public. Anyway, I am looking at everything I can through the web, and may look like a dumba$$ in the process. I own it.

 

[Eileen730]

I can't jump on board with the drug deal theory. People don't go to the woods to exchange drugs...on the regular. MOO


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Google meth labs in the woods Indiana.

 

[Deleted member 278]

I know. It is frustrating. I THINK the stills came right before the abduction (my opinion). I don't think the families would want that video evidence provided to the public. Anyway, I am looking at everything I can through the web, and may look like a dumba$$ in the process. I own it.

Would families have a say in what LE releases?

 

[RyRyLloyd]

I know. It is frustrating. I THINK the stills came right before the abduction (my opinion). I don't think the families would want that video evidence provided to the public. Anyway, I am looking at everything I can through the web, and may look like a dumba$$ in the process. I own it.

It wouldn't be right before the abduction though, right? I mean, you can't abduct a person while not next to them? As I said, he's a good 20 yards away from them in the still. So, for the police to cut it at that exact point is just weird.

 

[Jabarn]

Would families have a say in what LE releases?

Probably not, but I would think LE would be sensitive to that.

 

[Deleted member 278]

It wouldn't be right before the abduction though, right? I mean, you can't abduct a person while not next to them? As I said, he's a good 20 yards away from them in the still. So, for the police to cut it at that exact point is just weird.

Well, we don't know how lengthy the video was. Maybe Liberty only filmed a few frames.

 

[Jabarn]

It wouldn't be right before the abduction though, right? I mean, you can't abduct a person while not next to them? As I said, he's a good 20 yards away from them in the still. So, for the police to cut it at that exact point is just weird.

I think they are still frames from the stalking act, IMO, and probably the best stills that could be released for the purpose needed, to identify the Bridge Guy. Cannot for the life of me figure out how he's not been identified.

 

[Deleted member 278]

http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...rating-alibis-given-delphi-killings/99221194/DELPHI, Ind. — Some of the alibis given to police investigating Liberty German and Abigail Williams' killings turned out to be less than truthful.

 

[sf92]

My question is, what on earth could have been recorded in the 2-4 seconds after that 'still'?? A 2-4 second clip could make a major difference.

I agree. If they have video of him on the bridge why not release 2-4 secs to show how his body moves. Someone could recognize that.

 

[Deleted member 278]

THIS JUST IN.http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...rating-alibis-given-delphi-killings/99221194/