IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 - #33

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  • #621
It could be registered in someone else's name . That way it could be plated and insured.


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This. A close relative has not had a license in over 20 years due to past suspensions that he's never fully paid the fines and fees for. He works daily and has his vehicles titled and insured in another family member's name. JMO.

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  • #622
Respectfully, I strongly disagree. In my experience with assisting domestic violence victims in obtaining PPOs, it is very difficult, especially when the victim is seen as enabling (typical cycle of DV- victims return multiple times, or has not called police until now, etc). This is dependent on the judge, which as I'm sure you are aware, varies greatly by jurisdiction. A blanket statement that they are easy to obtain is just inaccurate. Easier in some jurisdictions, probably, but not universally. JMO.

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What jurisdiction do you live in where a judge is allowed and willing to participate in victim blaming as an excuse to put a potential victim in harms way?


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  • #623
I wonder if he was driving to that "fish shop" or driving otherwise around town and the cops knew it ...... small town stuff that they let slide as long as they see he is sober and stable

With the FBI involved and the LE saying they were making arrests on other acts leads me to believe he was outside of his probation

However its a stretch to go from that to searching his home etc! Probable cause is easy but the question remains WHY the police are now seeming to put much focus on him OTHER than the fact that so many other places were searched and his was not and they were getting heat
 
  • #624
IMO, it would still have had the same or greater impact. Searching the house and buildings of the person whose land the bodies were found on would have sent everyone into a tizzy just like it is doing now.
LE doesn't usually care if their investigation causes a 'tizzy'. That said, I agree that the search should have been conducted at the beginning, 'tizzy' or not.
 
  • #625
I am imagining crossing that bridge drunk (or I suppose otherwise impaired). Yikes.


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Drunk, overwieght, out of shape, 77 years old <modsnip>....JMO but there is no way BG is RL......I'm not sure what all this is about, maybe he knows something or saw something and is staying tight lipped and LE is trying to pressure him....I just don't think there is any way that BG = RL
 
  • #626
Agree with everything you wrote!

Were you able to get the measurements you needed?
Yes i did. Ill have a new pic with estimated height later this evening.

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  • #627
It could be registered in someone else's name . That way it could be plated and insured.


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Yeah, this is kind of where my head's been. But even further- it could legitimately be someone else's truck, and they come there often to use or get it, and/or come to RL's for other reasons.

What I mean is, I can think of this from many directions:
1. It could be his truck, but someone else titles and registers/insures it for him.
2. It could be his truck, and just not egistered (more violations, in that case, if he's out driving it on the road) or registered for farm use only (but like I said, seems like a lot of truck if it never leaves the property.)
3. It could be somebody else truck, and they keep it as his place, for some reason. If that's the case, I'm wondering "who?" more than "why?"

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  • #628
I've been lurking and following this case from afar for about a week now. I have to say, this feels like one of those cases that will either ultimately be solved & when details come out I'll be thinking, "wow, I can't believe I missed that" OR a case that no one except LE would have guessed the killer and crime details because some of the leads/evidence were totally out of left field.

Does the search warrant mean that RL refused to let LE search the property? OR does that just indicate that LE is crossing their t's and dotting their i's?

I find it hard to believe that LE and the FBI don't have the technology available to rule out RL as being BG based on the video and audio recording.

I also find it hard to believe that RL could be organized enough to commit this kind of crime. Leaving bodies on someone's property who is a known alcohol abuser, who may or may not come across as a little strange, seems like a great way to throw off LE. With that theory in mind, it would have to be someone with a previous knowledge of RL and his behavior. Family member, friend, local ... ?

And RL IS behind bars currently, right? Just want to make sure I'm not confused over here. If he is, is it because they want the real killer to feel safe enough to perhaps make a mistake and/or perhaps RL is starting to get a little antsy with the police presence and uncooperative? I think someone with run ins with the law, who obviously based on court records has at least in the past had issues with alcohol, might start to resent LE being present frequently.The people I've known, family included, who had issues with drinking didn't exactly think highly of law enforcement. Not labeling alcoholics, just my experience. It's as if anyone who gets in the way of the booze is the enemy. I think most legit alcoholics would probably think in those terms. Yes they would feel empathy for the murdered girls, but the whole thing is intruding upon their lifestyle.

I may be dead wrong, but I just don't feel RL being the killer.
 
  • #629
Maybe just me, but I have seen people use the word rape in different circumstances. Like "the government is raping people's mind". In these situations rape don't mean sexual assault, just mean forced to submit/do something against his/her/it's/their will.


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I'm very aware of the other meanings of the word 'rape', what I'm trying to convey is that at his age, this word usually means one thing only and that is sexual assault. JMO
 
  • #630
What jurisdiction do you live in where a judge is allowed and willing to participate in victim blaming as an excuse to put a potential victim in harms way?


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You're kidding, right? The reality is that many many judges are ill informed when it comes to understanding domestic violence and trauma. I have worked in 2 jurisdictions myself and have seen it across the board in child abuse cases, family court related to custody, and DV cases. I've also provided training to judges and prosecutors on trauma. The baseline knowledge pre- training is astonishing given the types of decisions they are making. JMO.

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  • #631
I have found that restraining orders are usually granted because the Judges do not want to take a chance that the person requesting the order will be harmed. No one wants to be the guy that refuses the request only to wake up to a headline that the complainant was murdered overnight by the very person they feared.
 
  • #632
You're kidding, right? The reality is that many many judges are ill informed when it comes to understanding domestic violence and trauma. I have worked in 2 jurisdictions myself and have seen it across the board in child abuse cases, family court related to custody, and DV cases. I've also provided training to judges and prosecutors on trauma. The baseline information pre- training is astonishing given the types of decisions they are making. JMO.

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This is the kind of stuff that would result in that judge being disbarred in the two states I've worked.

Without exception.


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  • #633
They developed new information either human or lab that required effecting another search is my best guess.

But don't u feel that should have been the first place searched?
I was very surprised it wasnt.
 
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  • #635
I'm very aware of the other meanings of the word 'rape', what I'm trying to convey is that at his age, this word usually means one thing only and that is sexual assault. JMO

I respectfully disagree. I think older people (myself included) are very likely to use rape to describe things other than sexual assault.
 
  • #636
I've been lurking and following this case from afar for about a week now. I have to say, this feels like one of those cases that will either ultimately be solved & when details come out I'll be thinking, "wow, I can't believe I missed that" OR a case that no one except LE would have guessed the killer and crime details because some of the leads/evidence were totally out of left field.

Does the search warrant mean that RL refused to let LE search the property? OR does that just indicate that LE is crossing their t's and dotting their i's?

I find it hard to believe that LE and the FBI don't have the technology available to rule out RL as being BG based on the video and audio recording.

I also find it hard to believe that RL could be organized enough to commit this kind of crime. Leaving bodies on someone's property who is a known alcohol abuser, who may or may not come across as a little strange, seems like a great way to throw off LE. With that theory in mind, it would have to be someone with a previous knowledge of RL and his behavior. Family member, friend, local ... ?

And RL IS behind bars currently, right? Just want to make sure I'm not confused over here. If he is, is it because they want the real killer to feel safe enough to perhaps make a mistake and/or perhaps RL is starting to get a little antsy with the police presence and uncooperative? I think someone with run ins with the law, who obviously based on court records has at least in the past had issues with alcohol, might start to resent LE being present frequently.The people I've known, family included, who had issues with drinking didn't exactly think highly of law enforcement. Not labeling alcoholics, just my experience. It's as if anyone who gets in the way of the booze is the enemy. I think most legit alcoholics would probably think in those terms. Yes they would feel empathy for the murdered girls, but the whole thing is intruding upon their lifestyle.

I may be dead wrong, but I just don't feel RL being the killer.

I have to wonder if RL, if an alcoholic, is experiencing withdrawal and is willing to point the finger at anyone to get out of jail.
 
  • #637
sexual assault does not mean rape, my definition is forced intercourse,
 
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  • #639
But don't u feel that should have been the first place searched?
I was very surprised it wasnt.

No, I don't if they've managed to develop new information. Lab results could've provided other avenues or even a tip or interview. It's not unheard of for more than one search warrant to be served during an investigation. They may have been looking with more specificity or they have enough to satisfy a judge to give them carte blanche.
 
  • #640
You're not? [emoji3]

I don't know why this comment is so funny to me right now but I am rolling on the floor. I must be delirious!
Haha I went off here last night after someones comment "His home is not the woods" had me laughing wayyy too much .

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