IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #37

[margarita25]

Hey Everybody,

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Get your sleep :hug:

Tricia

Goodnight everyone. Thanks Tricia.

 

[Coldpizza]

Good morning. Thread is open for posting.

 

[pseudo_hum]

{IMO} It would seem to me that the POI would have to have some knowledge of the area. For one, circumstances allowed him to be there that day at that time. And also, I believe he knew that the girls were trapped on the south end of the bridge. And finally that no one would be hiking below the cemetery.{IMO}

 

[smiley]

I hope today is the day we get a arrest in this case

 

[Suglo]

First time posting, I have friends that "clean up" crime scenes. They go in after police,FBI or whom ever is "processing the scene" . It's a horrible job, IMO.
AND --- just because RL said "it was pristine " doesn't count... AT ALL. JMO.

I don't think one can compare an indoor crime scene with one that occurred outside in the elements on a rural property. Have they ever cleaned up one in the woods like this one?

 

[Elley Mae]

Thanks for the images, with the girls being on the south side of the creek,(top of photo) coming off of the RR w
One would have to go down the hill. The post yesterday evening by Mrs Marples iirc Slocum said there was talking between the three.

I wonder if he pretended to know where something was to get them off the bridge and out of sight, the water in that image does look to have shallow areas across the creek where the girls were found. Jmo

I agree. It is N625W, not to be picky with just a typo. Anyway, probably N625W ends where the blacktop stops and it is a private road on from there to where it dead ends at the house. I posted some pix of the road earlier today to show the road and hope you don't mind me posting a couple over again. Stills from one of Gray's videos. When I saw the LE vehicles there I thought as you, that it was a key factor in understanding more of how it might have gone down. View attachment 113411View attachment 113412
What caught my eye is that they primarily seem interested in the area from the road up the hill to the end of the bridge, not on down the hill to the creek. As far as I saw, they only had that area between the bridge and the road taped off for the CSI and the area where their bodies were found. Maybe this is where they were dropped off especially if Libby's sister went by Abby's to pick her up and then they were dropped off. Or even if they were dropped off on the north side maybe that is where they were going to be picked up. I wish we knew who was supposed to pick them up as I think that's a key. LE stated Libby's sister dropped them off and a family member was supposed to pick them up. Don't you think it's meaningful they would say who took them but not who was picking them up?

 

[Steleheart]

I don't think one can compare an indoor crime scene with one that occurred outside in the elements on a rural property. Have they ever cleaned up one in the woods like this one?

I think they have taken soil under a victim in other cases. It' doesn't look like it there from what I have seen. We have only gotten a glimpse from afar and so it doesn't look like a scene that is disturbed. I do not know if they have taken down the tape as of now. Wondering silently if RL has wandered down to have a look-see. (I would) ( but then I'd be in trouble).

In the case of Vanessa Marcotte there was one video that showed the CS and it looked like they took the surface level leaves, soil, etc from under the remains.

JMO

 

[Eileen730]

Most crimes scenes outdoors that I have seen on the news or photos of u see investigators
Sifting thru leaves and thendirt they put aTent up.
What's so dirtifferent about this case?
We're they in the water maybe?

 

[Suglo]

I think they have taken soil under a victim in other cases. It' doesn't look like it there from what I have seen. We have only gotten a glimpse from afar and so it doesn't look like a scene that is disturbed. I do not know if they have taken down the tape as of now. Wondering silently if RL has wandered down to have a look-see. (I would) ( but then I'd be in trouble).

In the case of Vanessa Marcotte there was one video that showed the CS and it looked like they took the surface level leaves, soil, etc from under the remains.

JMO

That makes sense. I definitely would have wandered down there to have a look also.

 

[Ashley95]

I get very confused in what journalists have said or implied and what LE have said.

Have they confirmed a confrontation took place prior to the video 100%?

And have they comfirmed the bodies were moved?

Or or is this all journalist speculation and people reading into the wrong things.

Thanks anyone...

 

[Jax49]

I get very confused in what journalists have said or implied and what LE have said.

Have they confirmed a confrontation took place prior to the video 100%?

And have they comfirmed the bodies were moved?

Or or is this all journalist speculation and people reading into the wrong things.

Thanks anyone...

To the best of my knowledge, LE has NOT confirmed either of those things. MOO

 

[Beth11311]

IORC none of what you mentioned has been confirmed by law inforcement at this time, those are news sources only claiming things they say LE has told them...IMO

 

[Elley Mae]

Not knowing when the LE cars were there on that driveway under the RR. I wonder if it was after the image was viewed & they knew where the image was taken which led them to that area to look for evidence of a struggle. It would also seem that if the girls were in the water that it would be evident from there hair, clothes. Could also be why the divers were in the creek. Jmo

It is not hard to see in leaves on the ground where something has recently walked/run. Especially on a hill, have followed/tracked deer by freshly turned over leaves, and their feet are small. Jmo

 

[Tulessa]

Hey Everybody,

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Thank you,

Get your sleep :hug:

Tricia

Thank you Tricia! This gives us time to catch up.

 

[Eileen730]

Imo where they were found was not the crime scene.
I think they were in the water.

 

[Ashley95]

To the best of my knowledge, LE has NOT confirmed either of those things. MOO

Fantastic thank you

 

[Tulessa]

I get very confused in what journalists have said or implied and what LE have said.

Have they confirmed a confrontation took place prior to the video 100%?

And have they comfirmed the bodies were moved?

Or or is this all journalist speculation and people reading into the wrong things.

Thanks anyone...

Hi Ashley! Every thing posted is in the media thread (in my siggy). It doesn't take long to look through it, and it contains a wealth of information! And welcome to WS! :blushing:

 

[TTF14]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I hope they've looked into any inappropriate relationships either of the girls may have had with an authority figure at school. If someone was about to be exposed, there would definitely be motive. I'm not saying this is my theory, just a thought that popped into my head last night.

IMO, MOO and all that.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I think the perp had a gun holster next to the brown fanny pack (or whatever that is). I also think this piece of (fill in the blank) was pretending to be LE. (I know~~not popular) but let me explain. In the photo below you can see the color of the perps left hand (right side of the pic) if you look to the right (left side of pic) the color looks to be more pronounced, but looks are deceiving. If you look very very closely, you can see his hand is on the holster of a gun and right next to that what appears to be a badge. On the other side, looks to be a walkie talkie or another gun.

If we look at the Missy Beavers case, we saw ATF and FBI on the case early. Why? Because the perp was posing as LE. We have the same thing with this case, ATF and FBI on the case early, why? I think it is because he posed as LE.

This man is extremely dangerous...If this case grows cold, this piece of ____ will be even more brazen having gotten away with it the first time.

 

[Jax49]

Hi Ashley! Every thing posted is in the media thread (in my siggy). It doesn't take long to look through it, and it contains a wealth of information! And welcome to WS! :blushing:

I love when people put links in their sigs. Been here awhile but I get so lost sometimes.

There will be MSM statements that are later denied by LE. A few days ago I linked an ABCNews report saying LE had verified the voice was bridge guy. But in the long interview posted yesterday LE denied they were saying that. Gets so confusing.