IN-Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #52

[ab01]

BBM. I am starting to agree with that statement ab01 and here's why I think that too. As I have been working on the photos for my own satisfaction, I have seen MANY areas where LE could have cleaned up the pictures. Heck, I have fixed one of the most glaring anomalies on BG's face and that was super easy to do. So, why wouldn't LE do that? I think you are right: LE thinks that whoever BG is, someone who KNOWS him, perhaps intimately (ick), will recognize him immediately. Good point.

BBM

exactly

 

[MistyWaters]

It's just an opinion. Also, we don't know that there is "absolutely no reason."

I'm not trying to be snarky but I really think it is a viable possibility. Even if it is 50/50


I'm a newbie but I'm definitely always extremely hesitant to post.

MOO

Sorry, I didn't intend to sound snarky. But there is absolutely no reason for LE to manipulate the background of a photograph so it appears to be somewhere where it is not. That's because law enforcement is held to a higher standard than the rest of us who can play around with photos all we like. What they release relates to facts and evidence.





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[WebSight]

I agree. I believe the ISP and FBI were vague in their references to him. I always took this to mean they were never looking for us to look at details. They were looking more at gait, posture, demeanor, bulk and voice. Although, I am always pulled toward the details. I think it's only human. I also wonder if they added details to complete a picture for the effort of capturing this suspect. MOO

BBM I love this statement! I think that is why I just keep picking away at the details of these photos, trying to figure out every anomaly and justify every pixel position. Also I can't answer any of the big questions so it helps me to work with the photos trying to answer little ones.

It also helps to keep me busy while we :waiting:.

 

[MistyWaters]

Stop hiding in lurk mode and get vilified with everyone else with a differing opinion.

It is beyond me that some people continue to ignore the fact that LE will have every.single.piece.of.evidence.there.is.to.have and that the assumption that a single blurry photo will make or break this case is nuts to me. IMO They have it all. Everything. No one is going to be arrested based on a blurry photo, thank $deity, IMO.

Agree. Not sure how the misperception came to be that is case can only be solved by breaking the code of a grainy photo.

LE has repeatedly asked for tips from the public. Someone ought to know this person who resembles BG and who's behaviour caught the attention of another.


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[Elley Mae]

If i was out and my image was taken(like suspects) i seriously doubt that the few people that know me would recognize me. Jmo

 

[Lilowlet]

Hello y'all. Hate to rehash the photo (again) but I finally got enough of my hubby's attention and forced him to sit and tell me(as an outside opinion) what he saw when looking at BG and I was kinda surprised but he was like... A camo hat, blue jacket, jeans, a beard and stash then he said " who wears skii goggles even around their neck when there is no snow?" That's what's shocked me, cus I'd heard that here before and IMO it was a sweater. Can't wait to get ahold of his comp tonight and screw around with the photo myself for once. Anyway carry on just giving an.outziders thoughts.all

 

[FrostedGlass]

This is the link to the property that RL has under a reverse mortgage. It is 8.4 acres. Is the location important? Who, if anyone, would benefit from him losing this section of land?

https://beacon.schneidercorp.com/Ap...Q=109595238&KeyValue=08-06-27-000-001.000-006

This link directs to the plat of 8.4 acres at jeopardy of RL losing. Click on the plat to note who holds the deed. It is the parcel behind the cemetery and to the side bordering the creek. Is this the section where our girls were found? Or were they located on RLs land more directly behind the cemetery?

https://beacon.schneidercorp.com/Application.aspx?AppID=377&LayerID=5553&PageTypeID=1

As to your first question, it's MOO that none of the surrounding owners would benefit. However, if his whole farm is at risk if he loses that one piece, then "who would benefit?" is an easy question to answer.

I don't understand this reverse mortgage that he has. By the records, it does seem, as you thought, that elink Reverse Mortgage does have an interest in that one lot, which is very strange, IMO. Typically, a RM is done on a home, not a low-value piece of bare land.

MOO In his court records, he somehow settled with one of his banks to their satisfaction but the foreclosure bank left the door open on their settlement (dismissed without prejudice). IMO, that's a little too complicated for most conventional banks to help RL out of his financial jam.

I have a feeling he got involved with some investor all too willing to do "creative financing" with an elderly man who had a very stressful life and might have not been thinking clearly at the time. MOO.

 

[Dawning3]

I also believe that if we are going to compare anyone's photos to BG, then we should maybe use the one LE has up, and not that older looking one, imo.

But, don't you think we should also use the other picture when determining important details, like if BG has a full light-colored mustache or a dark five o'clock shadow? If it seems obvious in one, it shouldn't look entirely different in the other, unless lights and blurry distortions are causing us to see things that aren't really there. One may be the better image, but the other one could be used as some type of confirmation.

 

[ab01]

If i was out and my image was taken(like suspects) i seriously doubt that the few people that know me would recognize me. Jmo

I'm not sure what you mean here? Like people you know would not recognize a photo of you?

 

[hilary1617]

Surely LE has the tools to determine his height?

Yes, if nothing else, they are right down the road from my alma mater, which has a world-class photogrammetry group, who could readily consult. https://engineering.purdue.edu/CE/Academics/Groups/Geomatics/DPRG

 

[Dawning3]

I'm not saying there is no watch, just that I cannot see it myself. Also, wearing a watch on the right arm does not seem to indicate being either left or right handed going by poster's personal preferences so we cannot deduce much from this even if it is a watch IMO. The watch theory is what exactly anyway? That he is left handed?

Another reason the watch is important is that some men never wear them. My husband used to wear one, but now he just uses his cellphone to tell the time. If someone thinks BG looks slightly familiar to them, the watch could be yet another identifying factor. It's a very small factor, but it could still be used to either include or exclude someone, just as the jacket might. Obviously, it's not to be taken as 100% accurate proof, since someone could have a watch or blue jacket that's not known to close family, friends, or acquaintances.


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[WebSight]

Agree. Not sure how the misperception came to be that is case can only be solved by breaking the code of a grainy photo.

LE has repeatedly asked for tips from the public. Someone ought to know this person who resembles BG and who's behaviour caught the attention of another.


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Respectfully MistyWaters, I don't think that there is any "misperception" at all. I don't think there is one person on WS that thinks that the case will hinge on those photos and especially our manipulation of them. Nor will it be solved by the maps, or water tide graphs, or moon phase charts, or whatever else members bring up here for persusal by fellow members. I imagine most of us do those things and have these discussions because we are invested in trying to figure out what happened to Abby and Libby, to see if we can find the answers that help us to understand.

Also, I imagine also we are here because we are interested in WebSleuthing as the name on the site indicates. It is a place where we can exchange ideas and, frankly, see if we can solve it.

And, honestly (and I am referencing the quote in your post here, not you), I am not sure why we have to keep being reminded that LE has all the evidence and has got this under control. I think we understand that implicitly.

Thank goodness this case doesn't hinge on my detective work. I, for one, couldn't take the pressure! Plus, I would be crying every day if I knew what they knew about what happened and would have to be reassigned to desk work.

jmo

 

[Lilowlet]

I have a couple more thoughts/questions. Anyone else wondering if how LE worded certain things was code for BG? Only reason I ask is because of the conference where they first released photo and loop, it keeps bugging me the " stood shoulder to shoulder" part maybe said twice. Wasn't directed to BG I don't think. But I wondered if it was like something else. Not saying they know who he is. But could there be a chance people were there that weren't noted in a name way on paper. (Feel like I'm speaking Yoda) then next I'm sure if the fact was that the BG wasn't actually on the bridge someone would have figured it out, like how savvy people figure out if ghosts or UFOs are fakely put into photos? Idk IMO always not sure if anything I said made sense!

 

[HockeyMom330]

Hello y'all. Hate to rehash the photo (again) but I finally got enough of my hubby's attention and forced him to sit and tell me(as an outside opinion) what he saw when looking at BG and I was kinda surprised but he was like... A camo hat, blue jacket, jeans, a beard and stash then he said " who wears skii goggles even around their neck when there is no snow?" That's what's shocked me, cus I'd heard that here before and IMO it was a sweater. Can't wait to get ahold of his comp tonight and screw around with the photo myself for once. Anyway carry on just giving an.outziders thoughts.all

Maybe BG really was decked out with a bunch of gear (hat; hoodie; coat stuffed with items; scarf; googles; fanny pack; holster/weapons; rope etc...). This would explain why so many of us think we see these things in his image, and also why Liberty may have take the video of him in the first place. Even if she wasn't initially scared of him, she may have thought he was very oddly dressed and wanted to capture his video for social media.

If BG was all dressed up with gear it makes me wonder if he has a military background. Maybe he was experiencing PTSD or a mental illness that made him think he was on a search and destroy mission. I know it sounds ridiculous.

 

[whiskers]

As to your first question, it's MOO that none of the surrounding owners would benefit. However, if his whole farm is at risk if he loses that one piece, then "who would benefit?" is an easy question to answer.

I don't understand this reverse mortgage that he has. By the records, it does seem, as you thought, that elink Reverse Mortgage does have an interest in that one lot, which is very strange, IMO. Typically, a RM is done on a home, not a low-value piece of bare land.

MOO In his court records, he somehow settled with one of his banks to their satisfaction but the foreclosure bank left the door open on their settlement (dismissed without prejudice). IMO, that's a little too complicated for most conventional banks to help RL out of his financial jam.

I have a feeling he got involved with some investor all too willing to do "creative financing" with an elderly man who had a very stressful life and might have not been thinking clearly at the time. MOO.

That's a good explanation. Thank you.

Why do you all think they have their eye on a parcel of land not buildings, barns, a house?

 

[Bemused]

OT
This guy may be a WS member. I have similar thoughts and reactions about theories as he does to unicorn frappuccinos.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/starbucks-employee-goes-viral-for-unicorn-rant/

 

[Lilowlet]

Maybe BG really was decked out with a bunch of gear (hat; hoodie; coat stuffed with items; scarf; googles; fanny pack; holster/weapons; rope etc...). This would explain why so many of us think we see these things in his image, and also why Liberty may have take the video of him in the first place. Even if she wasn't initially scared of him, she may have thought he was very oddly dressed and wanted to capture his video for social media.

If BG was all dressed up with gear it makes me wonder if he has a military background. Maybe he was experiencing PTSD or a mental illness that made him think he was on a search and destroy mission. I know it sounds ridiculous.

Doesn't sound ridic to me. I've seen homeless around Nashville wear everything they have if they have no cart. Like extra pairs of shoes round the neck etc. I get it. If you're going to be prepared go all out. It's possible. Imo always.

 

[Lilowlet]

OT
This guy may be a WS member. I have similar thoughts and reactions about theories as he does to unicorn frappuccinos.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/starbucks-employee-goes-viral-for-unicorn-rant/

Hahaha! On his nose in his hair.. haven't tried it but the radio personalities here called it a pixie stick rainbow nightmare.))

 

[Lilowlet]

Maybe BG really was decked out with a bunch of gear (hat; hoodie; coat stuffed with items; scarf; googles; fanny pack; holster/weapons; rope etc...). This would explain why so many of us think we see these things in his image, and also why Liberty may have take the video of him in the first place. Even if she wasn't initially scared of him, she may have thought he was very oddly dressed and wanted to capture his video for social media.

If BG was all dressed up with gear it makes me wonder if he has a military background. Maybe he was experiencing PTSD or a mental illness that made him think he was on a search and destroy mission. I know it sounds ridiculous.

Also here is a semi ot link about a military person who delt with PTSD and how it affected his life. It gives a little insight into the type of situation maybe your speaking of.
http://www.releasewire.com/press-re...an-hero-discarded-ssg-lewis-foutch-684985.htm

 

[WebSight]

But, don't you think we should also use the other picture when determining important details, like if BG has a full light-colored mustache or a dark five o'clock shadow? If it seems obvious in one, it shouldn't look entirely different in the other, unless lights and blurry distortions are causing us to see things that aren't really there. One may be the better image, but the other one could be used as some type of confirmation.

I am glad you brought that distinction up Dawning3, I wouldn't want anyone to misunderstand my meaning. So thx!

Absolutely use the photo to affirm distinguishing features as you compare BG to BG. I work with both photos all the time so I would agree with that wholeheartedly.

What I don't think we should do is use that photo to do side-by-side comparisons of other people as I do not think that is the likeness that LE is asking the public to "recognize."