IN-Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #52

[Elley Mae]

Wow, that could be very possible.. Oh my.. Hmmmmm . Yes I wonder..

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When the image first appeared, (they just wanted to talk to him about what he may have seen) they didn't/wouldn't say where pic came from. As if they didn't him to know how it came to be. Not sure the order in calling him a suspect and saying it came from her phone. Jmo

Speaking of the phone, her father/grandfather must not have access to suspect in video. Jmo

 

[St. Anthony2017]

Hello y'all. Hate to rehash the photo (again) but I finally got enough of my hubby's attention and forced him to sit and tell me(as an outside opinion) what he saw when looking at BG and I was kinda surprised but he was like... A camo hat, blue jacket, jeans, a beard and stash then he said " who wears skii goggles even around their neck when there is no snow?" That's what's shocked me, cus I'd heard that here before and IMO it was a sweater. Can't wait to get ahold of his comp tonight and screw around with the photo myself for once. Anyway carry on just giving an.outziders thoughts.all

Why not.... anybody could.. Especially a hungry sick freak.... Is he a suspect in there case? The Evansville girls I meant?

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Maybe . Does anyone know what logo of AIM on his shirt stands for. I googled it and it could be health supplements.

 

[Peace777]

It was dark and leaves were on the ground, it would be difficult IMO to find them. Especially if you think they are alive and they don't answer you when you call out names. I know one of relatives and they confirmed this was a very brutal crime. Whoever did this had a lot of anger and needs to be stopped sooner rather than later.

Weren't family and friends searching from around 3:30, then called LE when the girls couldn't be found there in the area? Then more showed up including LE etc to search till darkness? And I think search dogs may have been brought in as well, or that was the next day?
I think the girls were not in close proximity to the bridge or creek but were brought back to where they were found after the 13th searches were concluded for the night. Who knew when the first night search quit and what time the next day it would resume again. I still think BG is local . All JMO

 

[Jethro4WS]

I'm so confused about that.. I wondered if they looked thoroughly or were covered up or brought to that location. How would you overlook something like that. There's no way it blended something would've looked obvious. Please understand this, I'm not blaming anyone but why did the family stop looking at dark. I myself and all my people would've been out there with flashlights. Once again I'm not judging anybody, I ask this because we're they being made to leave? Did the police make them stop? Which wouldn't make sense considering at that time it wasnt a crime scene.. Oh my god, I just got this thought and feeling over me, what if the girls were close by and could hear them being looked for. I can't imagine. I feel so sick now. As a mother, that thought alone makes me cry.. This devil needs to be brought down... Can't even imagine the families everyday struggle of just getting by day to day.. They need peace and justice.. Poor sweet innocent children. This just isn't fair. So overwhelmed right now with emotions.[emoji22] [emoji22] [emoji22]

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There were searchers out with flashlights - volunteer firefighters, LE, DNR, and regular citizens. WLFI had footage from that night showing regular citizen searchers and the volunteer firefighters and the camera-person filming it went quite a ways into the woods with them.

 

[expatCanada]

Seems like he's been in jail since Nov. 2016
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...n-accused-attempted-child-abduction/94013982/

Could this guy have made the trip to Indiana?

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/cr...cle_102935e4-9a23-5e9d-84b8-8ee458f3587a.html

 

[Shiressleuth]

but we do know RL's actual height. It s 6'1 i believe. If BG is estimated at 5'10 and another inch or two could be added because he is looking down, and we take in even a two or three percent error rate of BG's pic is quite possible that they could be the same height.

So 3 inches different but they are the same height? I don't think that would convince a jury IMO.

 

[otto]

So, are you saying that LE intentionally modified that photo? Or are you making accusations at members here? I just want to be clear where you are going with this.

Accusations? Not at all. I am saying that any photo that shows a bright round circle at the location of his hand, with the implication that it is a watch, has been altered with filters that change the photo. I think this is obvious to anyone who regularly uses professional photo imaging software such as Adobe Photoshop.

The photo on the left has been circulated as an accurate inverted photo. The image on the right has been inverted using photoshop without any additional modifications. They are not the same. Why not? Furthermore, why are we relying on an inverted photo with filters to interpret what appears to be his right hand?

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[Bemused]

Weren't family and friends searching from around 3:30, then called LE when the girls couldn't be found there in the area? Then more showed up including LE etc to search till darkness? And I think search dogs may have been brought in as well, or that was the next day?
I think the girls were not in close proximity to the bridge or creek but were brought back to where they were found after the 13th searches were concluded for the night. Who knew when the first night search quit and what time the next day it would resume again. I still think BG is local . All JMO

Unless he has superpowers how did he move 300 pounds of dead weight, comprised of two bodies, all by himself?

 

[Jethro4WS]

Here's another shot where you can see where the police are parked on the road.

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One thing about that shot that I wanted to point out is that the parts of the creek (sandbars of sorts) that you see above the water in the JM videos are underwater in this view from the helicopter of the same area. The water would have been even higher (about 20%) the prior day. Something that should be kept in mind if crossing the creek is part of your theory of the crime flow.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Agree. Not sure how the misperception came to be that is case can only be solved by breaking the code of a grainy photo.

LE has repeatedly asked for tips from the public. Someone ought to know this person who resembles BG and who's behaviour caught the attention of another.


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Many "grainy photos" have been studied and manipulated here at WS and some of those have helped LE in the course of their investigations.

Case in point, Equestrianista was able to identify a shirt in the Sand Canyon John Doe Case, with just a little bit of fabric showing. I also believe another Sleuther was able to identify a piece of fabric she saw at a fabric store, which helped LE lead to the identity of a Jane Doe. Coffeeandacig identified the manufacturer of a set of sheets in the Long Island Serial Killer case which one of the victims was found with.

So, IMHO what one believes is fruitless or not necessary, others believe any detail in those "grainy photos" that can lead LE to apprehension of the perp, is well worth their effort.

Certainly, feel free to scroll and roll if you feel other Sleuthers efforts are fruitless.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Forgot to add pic here's pic

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Your hand out of pocket makes sense. Problem would be: a right hand is still in the brown sweatshirt pocket ....

When the 2 pics of BG first were shown there was no hand in pocket I could swear. Later suddenly there was a right hand in the right brown pocket (although the pocket isn't transparent!!) on each pic. Since then I'm believing LE "created" the pics to show us what BG did seconds later also. Only reason would have been: they weren't able to show us a next original still of the video because some outrageous things were seen.
So we have one right hand in one right pocket on each of the two pics - maybe the right hands were exactly at this place sometime but a little later. "Your" hand out of the pocket may have been seen earlier (for seconds).
All IMO

 

[Bird of Paradise]

There were searchers out with flashlights - volunteer firefighters, LE, DNR, and regular citizens. WLFI had footage from that night showing regular citizen searchers and the volunteer firefighters and the camera-person filming it went quite a ways into the woods with them.

Thank you Jethro for this. I think it's too easy to think that all the searchers had to do was quickly walk through some land and not understand how they couldn't be found. Watching the video (sorry no link) of the man who discovered the deer stand proves the difficulty in navigating. He had been out there before IIRC and the next day lost sight of the deer stand.

Also want to point out, there was no guarantee the girls were even in the woods. If they had been somewhere else people would probably be asking why the searchers spent so much time in the woods instead of being somewhere else. Hindsight and all. I really think they did their best and if you listen to the talk on the scanner thread, you will understand.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

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Many "grainy photos" have been studied and manipulated here at WS and some of those have helped LE in the course of their investigations.

Case in point, Equestrianista was able to identify s shirt in the Sand Canyon John Doe Case, with just a little bit of fabric showing. I also believe another Sleuther was able to identify a piece of fabric she saw at a fabric store, which helped LE lead to the identity of a Jane Doe. Coffeeandacig identified the manufacturer of a set of sheets in the Long Island Serial Killer case which one of the victims was found with.

So, IMHO what one believes is fruitless or not necessary, others believe any detail in those "grainy photos" that can lead LE to apprehension of the perp, is well worth their effort.

Certainly, feel free to scroll and roll if you feel other Sleuthers efforts are fruitless.

I absolutely agree with your sentiments. If nothing else, it sharpens one's skills in working with photo programs.
My only concern is LE's comment about how hard it was to extract that image. It makes me wonder if any of the details are really as they appear.

 

[Peace777]

Unless he has superpowers how did he move 300 pounds of dead weight, comprised of two bodies, all by himself?

Weren't LE hinting there could be 2 perps involved? Also the girls could have been held alive somewhere even in a vehicle then in the night brought back there alive and then murdered? LE haven't said if where they were found is the only real crime scene. One never knows....

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Forgot to add pic here's pic

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THANK YOU~~Yes, I saw that too. It looks like his hand is on a holster IMHO. Could that be a fake badge. Was he pretending to be LE???

 

[Bemused]

Weren't LE hinting there could be 2 perps involved? Also the girls could have been held alive somewhere even in a vehicle then in the night brought back there alive and then murdered? LE haven't said if where they were found is the only real crime scene. One never knows....

They sure don't. A statement attributed to ISP Bursten was "participated" but one killer would've participated. IMO, the video may not show everything and it's only the audio portion recording the crime until, as I believe, the phone was smashed by the killer. Maybe the video never showed BG actually speaking, IOW. IMO

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I absolutely agree with your sentiments. If nothing else, it sharpens one's skills in working with photo programs.
My only concern is LE's comment about how hard it was to extract that image. It makes me wonder if any of the details are really as they appear.

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Agreed, but you never know until you try.

In the Steven Avery case, Avery's attorney's looked at pic's of Teresa Halbach thousands of times. It was a sluether who pointed out that the key they found differed from the keys she had in her hand in a picture and that she normally carried. LE doesn't have the answers to everything, even they need a little help too. God Bless LE and may this perps days be numbered.

'A picture is worth ten thousand words' as stated by Fred R. Barnard, of Printers' Ink, 10 March 1927

 

[Bemused]

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Many "grainy photos" have been studied and manipulated here at WS and some of those have helped LE in the course of their investigations.

Case in point, Equestrianista was able to identify a shirt in the Sand Canyon John Doe Case, with just a little bit of fabric showing. I also believe another Sleuther was able to identify a piece of fabric she saw at a fabric store, which helped LE lead to the identity of a Jane Doe. Coffeeandacig identified the manufacturer of a set of sheets in the Long Island Serial Killer case which one of the victims was found with.

So, IMHO what one believes is fruitless or not necessary, others believe any detail in those "grainy photos" that can lead LE to apprehension of the perp, is well worth their effort.

Certainly, feel free to scroll and roll if you feel other Sleuthers efforts are fruitless.

IIRC, the cold case detective asked for help. It's certainly possible in this case, which isn't cold TTBOMK, but I think the photo will prove to be relatively unimportant in solving the murders, IMO. For all I know LE has found the murder weapon during a SW execution, has lab results back and a ton of other physical evidence that links to one or more people.

 

[MistyWaters]

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Many "grainy photos" have been studied and manipulated here at WS and some of those have helped LE in the course of their investigations.

Case in point, Equestrianista was able to identify a shirt in the Sand Canyon John Doe Case, with just a little bit of fabric showing. I also believe another Sleuther was able to identify a piece of fabric she saw at a fabric store, which helped LE lead to the identity of a Jane Doe. Coffeeandacig identified the manufacturer of a set of sheets in the Long Island Serial Killer case which one of the victims was found with.

So, IMHO what one believes is fruitless or not necessary, others believe any detail in those "grainy photos" that can lead LE to apprehension of the perp, is well worth their effort.

Certainly, feel free to scroll and roll if you feel other Sleuthers efforts are fruitless.

Huh? My comment was agreeing to another remark stating that LE has mentioned several my times that they have other evidence, however they choose not to release it. For that matter, they have the entire video from which the photo was created.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

IIRC, the cold case detective asked for help. It's certainly possible in this case, which isn't cold TTBOMK, but I think the photo will prove to be relatively unimportant in solving the murders, IMO. For all I know LE has found the murder weapon during a SW execution, has lab results back and a ton of other physical evidence that links to one or more people.

BBM

Or maybe not.

And in the end the people who enjoy sleuthing the picture will surely enhance their skills. Big City Accountant said it best.