IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #53

[Peace777]

Shoes he wore that day IMO were disposed of that day or very shortly thereafter. If there was any bloodshed, then it ended up on the shoes along with who knows what else. The shoes are probably in a landfill by now.

Or maybe BG burned all the clothing he had worn that day? Hmmm

 

[Dawning3]

Someone recently noticed how bunched up his sleeves are yet they still come fully to his wrists.

Do you think this is a clue that he may be closer to the lower end of predicted height, because he has short limbs?


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[Eclipse]

I suppose releasing the photo is still better than nothing because BG is also identified as appears to be a white male. That reduces the possibility, not a female, not of a different ethnic group and by visual deduction not a very tiny or large person. But considering the quality of the photo that LE was able to create from the video, it would be extremely unlikely that they ever expected to identify any one suspect based on only a comparison.

"Investigators have distributed a photo (shown above) of a person observed on the Delphi Historic Trail. The photo appears to depict a White male wearing blue jeans, a blue coat/jacket, and a hoodie. During the course of the investigation, preliminary evidence has led investigators to believe the aforementioned person is suspected of being involved in the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German."
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/abigail-williams/@@download.pdf


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Actually, unless LE has seen him closer somehow- I don't know how it can be accepted as "known to be "White" and the voice is male, but even that is not 100% verifiable from the photo imo.

 

[BBBtimer]

Granted, this was very early on (one week after the murders, 6 days after the girls were found), but, come on, now. BG's outer appearance could have come from a Rural King store, thrift store, etc., many miles away from the crime scene.

It's such a generic appearance, and one that has all of us here stumped, that I doubt anyone in BG's life has ever seen him wear that jacket.

I agree, and mentioned this very thing over the weekend. BG looks like he's wearing multiple layers, IMO with the intention of concealment (of weapon(s) and identity) and to facilitate easy ditching of an outer layer after the crime. While it has been speculated he is 45-65, and even older, IMO it looks like someone younger wearing their "dad's clothes" or like they went to Goodwill and purchased some ill-fitting throwaway clothes that give the impression he's much older and larger than he really is.

 

[fruity]

[SUB][/SUB]

Man, I sure heard "go down the hill" in that.

I've always heard it but this makes it sound so much more clear!

 

[Cryptic]

Im not saying i believe this is definitely the case here for either, but certainly a possibility for Delphi girls. Don't know any info yet on other case. But this certainly piqued my interest.

Though possible, I don't think it is likely in this case. There are evidently few places to park a truck in the immediate area. There is, however, a large packing plant.

In the industrial plants I worked at, truckers rarely left their trucks unattended. If a trucker was not ready to move his truck up the unloading line, it would be noted immediately and a complaint made.

Even a trucker leaving his truck unattended at the plant after unloading would be seen as strange and remembered. Truckers don't make money if the truck is not moving. As a result, they wanted to get back on the road ASAP. Then factor in their practice of rarely leaving their trucks unattended.

 

[fruity]

https://www.facebook.com/WRTV6/videos/10154732836204092/?hc_location=ufi

For the first time, the families of Abby and Libby sit down for an intimate interview about their lives.
Delphi Daughters: The Untold Story of Abby and Libby. Thursday at 7PM.

I listened to this yesterday but the thread was closed and I couldn't reply.

Something really stood out to me.

I know a lot of people think LE are very careful with what they say in this case - I notice the words 'they' and 'their' are used instead of 'he' and 'him' with regard to whoever killed Abby and Libby.

 

[MistyWaters]

Maybe the identified person is "only" involved as an accessory? This could delay police action against him/her. Likewise, if the evidence for them being an accessory is weak, there police would lack a lot of leverage in making him / her identify the actual murderer(s).

Thanks. Perhaps my imagination is not working well today because I can't imagine a scenario where LE would be able to determine someone was only an accessory but not know the identity of the murderer, while avoiding charging the accessory with anything whatsoever.

If LE had evidence of any one being involved, I believe they would file some sort of charges at this time, not necessarily double homicide. Even a minor charge. Because as often occurs, then people associated would offer additional helpful information that they might not have otherwise realized was useful. It just makes no sense for LE to keep a quasi solved case secret at the same time they're informing the public the optimism isn't real high and wasting time on people offering a wide array of tips that they know they're not interested in.

I really do believe LE is hoping for a major break but they don't have it yet but it would be nice if you're right. MOO





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[ocgrad]

Do you think this is a clue that he may be closer to the lower end of predicted height, because he has short limbs?


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I think he's a smaller framed person than appears and is wearing a large jacket to conceal a lot of gear.

 

[Cryptic]

I agree. His job may only have been to round them up, block their escape back across. However it should be alot of pressure that he could go down for the crimes of others just because his is the only picture. The DNA evidence may be from someone completely different.

I am thinking more and more about this possibility (BG acting as part of a group). Then factor in that the police may have identified a suspect who is not linked to BG, but is vaguely linked to others who may have been there.

Thanks. Perhaps my imagination is not working well today because I can't imagine a scenario where LE would be able to determine someone was only an accessory but not know the identity of the murderer, while avoiding charging the accessory with anything whatsoever.

As a side note, there was a horrific murder in Mississippi where the victim was burned alive. The case seemed to stall for months or more, despite there being very strong indications that the crime was linked to a gas station (rural hang out for a loose coalition of jihader fan boys, drug dealers, drug users and various wanna'bes seeking to establish "reputations").

In the end, the police needed a lot of time to determine who from the group truly knew what as their associations with each other were complex and changing.

 

[fruity]

Shoes he wore that day IMO were disposed of that day or very shortly thereafter. If there was any bloodshed, then it ended up on the shoes along with who knows what else. The shoes are probably in a landfill by now.

IMO his shoes AND clothes are long gone, and were probably destroyed before Abby and Libby were found. I'm guessing he burned them. Just MOO.

 

[TheVisual]

Someone recently noticed how bunched up his sleeves are yet they still come fully to his wrists.

JMO but I would say that if a person was say a 2x and had gone to a 3x in size(through the shoulders and the gut) that the sleeves would be too long but would fit everywhere else. JMO retail speaking

 

[TheVisual]

Do you think this is a clue that he may be closer to the lower end of predicted height, because he has short limbs?

Not necessarily. Lots of people have a long torsos and short legs.JMO

 

[Peace777]

Could BG be wearing a reversible camo jacket?
Found this type at this website http://www.proclubgear.com/product/REVTH-145

 

[IkiHoku]

His coat appears to button/snap not zip up. He has it buttoned at the middle just enough to hide (a holster and gun?) on his left side. That makes it easier for him to hide the weapon (if that is what it is) but not have to deal with unzipping his jacket to access it. He has easy access while concealing it.

You can see where it cinches in the middle in the picture, but the rest is more open. That is where it is buttoned/snapped.

 

[Peace777]

His coat appears to button not zip up. He has it buttoned at the middle just enough to hide (a holster and gun?) on his left side. That makes it easier for him to hide the weapon (if that is what it is) but not have to deal with unzipping his jacket to access it. He has easy access while concealing it.

There might be button up kinds. Just throwing it out there.....

 

[MsMarple]

RTV6 has a little blurb from the parents and grandparents of the girls. It's sad...

Here's RTVs Twitter account if anyone wants to follow it.
https://twitter.com/rtv6

Link to the Indy channel, too.
http://www.theindychannel.com/longform/delphi-daughters-coping-with-tragedy-loss

[video=twitter;856602002385752067]https://twitter.com/rtv6/status/856602002385752067[/video]

Thanks so much for the link! I highly recommend reading the article - it's heartbreaking yet it was nice to learn a bit about both girls - for me it made them more than a WS case, it reminded me that they were vibrant, loving young women who enjoyed life so much. I guarantee you'll cry a little but it's such a nice tribute to Abby and Libby. :rose:

The Pattys said their faith gives them strength to get through each day.

“Libby really believed. I can’t lose faith,” Becky said. “If I lose my faith, I lose her.”

They turn to Libby’s art - her paintings and photography – as a source of comfort. Both girls loved to take photos, but Liberty had a passion for it.

As they sort through the thousands of photos Libby had taken of friends and family and the beauty of nature, the Pattys say they’ll cherish them all. Each photo is a portrait of the world as seen through the eyes of a 14-year-old girl.

“The only problem is that now there’ll be no more of them,” said Becky. “So we have to keep those. They mean a lot more than they did.”
...
Abby loved to make crafts and paint. She was recently knitting baby hats with her aunt to give to the local hospitals at Christmas.

Abby’s grandparents, “Papa” and “Memaw” as she called them, say her things are exactly where they were the day their lives changed forever.

“Her bedroom is just the way she left it,” said Abby’s “Memaw” Diane. “She may have walked out the door, but she is here with us. We just can’t erase her from our lives and we don’t want to.”

“You look at the world different now”
The girls’ murders have affected more than just their families.

http://www.theindychannel.com/longform/delphi-daughters-coping-with-tragedy-loss

 

[MistyWaters]

Actually, unless LE has seen him closer somehow- I don't know how it can be accepted as "known to be "White" and the voice is male, but even that is not 100% verifiable from the photo imo.

True but they never said "known to be a white male". They said "appears to be".

In the interview last week (sound cloud) LE urged not to rationalize that information isn't important, just forward the tip and let LE decide. That reminded me of a past incident regarding a robbery where I noticed some small thing amiss but I didn't report it because I thought it so minor that it'd be wasting their time. That was the friendly lecture I also got - report it and let them decide if it's important or not.

It seems LE has put an incredible amount of effort, energy and resources into this case and they're giving it their best shot. That it's not yet solved is of no fault of LE in my opinion. I'm very impressed with each one of their interviews that I've listened to.

 

[gregjrichards]

Thanks so much for the link! I highly recommend reading the article - it's heartbreaking yet it was nice to learn a bit about both girls - for me it made them more than a WS case, it reminded me that they were vibrant, loving young women who enjoyed life so much. I guarantee you'll cry a little but it's such a nice tribute to Abby and Libby. :rose:



http://www.theindychannel.com/longform/delphi-daughters-coping-with-tragedy-loss

Thank you for this it is good to know more about the girls when they were alive for a moment rather than focus solely on the tragic ending to their lives.

Many thanks everyone for continuing to post here in the thread and for caring about justice for Abbey and Liberty it is a appreciated.

 

[JLSChook]

True but they never said "known to be a white male". They said "appears to be".

In the interview last week (sound cloud) LE urged not to rationalize that information isn't important, just forward the tip and let LE decide. That reminded me of a past incident regarding a robbery where I noticed some small thing amiss but I didn't report it because I thought it so minor that it'd be wasting their time. That was the friendly lecture I also got - report it and let them decide if it's important or not.

It seems LE has put an incredible amount of effort, energy and resources into this case and they're giving it their best shot. That it's not yet solved is of no fault of LE in my opinion. I'm very impressed with each one of their interviews that I've listened to.

This is a great post, Misty. Selfishly, I needed to read something like this right now. I was starting to let the dark thoughts creep in wrt to LE not solving this one. I need to give my self a kick in the pants and realize that it really hasn't been that long.

Good advice on the tips, too.