IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #53

[FrostedGlass]

There was a short segment at 6 tonight on RTV6, showing a bit of the grandparents and bows on the light poles in memory of the girls. They also showed the BG pic, the DTH recording and then MP saying he hopes he doesn't know him (BG). I wasn't expecting that. I sure hope he doesn't, too.

 

[stude1953]

I've always believed that there were two men involved in this. One the BG walks past them with head down, says Hi and walks a short distance then turns around, Libby snaps his pic. The other guy is waiting at the end of the bridge in case the girls run. Maybe they do run and the guy at the end of the bridge stops them. . BG is reaching for a knife in his waist belt. The other man is the one that says 'down the hill'. Each one now has control of one girl. I have a gut feeling that these two characters are like the two that were in 'In Cold Blood'. Although two different type murders. IMO

 

[Scarlett12]

Though possible, I don't think it is likely in this case. There are evidently few places to park a truck in the immediate area. There is, however, a large packing plant.

In the industrial plants I worked at, truckers rarely left their trucks unattended. If a trucker was not ready to move his truck up the unloading line, it would be noted immediately and a complaint made.

Even a trucker leaving his truck unattended at the plant after unloading would be seen as strange and remembered. Truckers don't make money if the truck is not moving. As a result, they wanted to get back on the road ASAP. Then factor in their practice of rarely leaving their trucks unattended.

Indiana Packers has many private trucking companies picking up there who wait hours, sometimes overnight to get their loads.

They are awful about keeping their load times. It would be easy for a trucker to 1) leave to come back later 2) leave their semi and get off the property via another form of transportation.


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[aprettywar620]

I had seen that they were looking very closely at the meat packing plant. I bet they served some subpoenas at that plant to get employee records, schedules, etc.

Based on some of my research and public record, I believe you're absolutely correct.


"Well, once there was always dark. If you ask me, the light’s winning.”

 

[Cryptic]

I agree, and mentioned this very thing over the weekend. BG looks like he's wearing multiple layers, IMO with the intention of concealment (of weapon(s) and identity) and to facilitate easy ditching of an outer layer after the crime. While it has been speculated he is 45-65, and even older, IMO it looks like someone younger wearing their "dad's clothes" or like they went to Goodwill and purchased some ill-fitting throwaway clothes that give the impression he's much older and larger than he really is.

All possible, but layered clothing and little interest in trending fashions are common amongst mid western industrial workers and farmers. I routinely wore similar clothing in the past. Though your possibilities could be right, my strong suspiscion is that BG's clothing reflects his every day look.

 

[Cryptic]

Indiana Packers has many private trucking companies picking up there who wait hours, sometimes overnight to get their loads.

They are awful about keeping their load times. It would be easy for a trucker to 1) leave to come back later 2) leave their semi and get off the property via another form of transportation. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yikes, that is far different than the food processing plant where I worked. Trucks there waited for about 45 minutes, some times less. 90 minutes on a bad day was probably about maximum. In addition, the line moved regularly, so the truckers waited by their trucks.

Even with the far longer wait times, I still think trucks left unattended longer than a run to the plant cafeteria would be seen as odd- providing that people knew it was unattended.

 

[cluciano63]

Jmo, still think it was just one man in this crime. One antisocial,sociopath.

 

[Trino]

Especially easy for truck drivers and others who travel regionally and beyond for work. FBI says best job in the world to have if you're a serial killer is a truck driver.

Im not saying i believe this is definitely the case here for either, but certainly a possibility for Delphi girls. Don't know any info yet on other case. But this certainly piqued my interest.

We have a 5th wheel and recently stayed a few hours at a truck stop. We talked with a man who had been on the road as a trucker for 20+ years. He traveled with his trusty German shepherd, said things in the trucking business had drastically changed over the years, and he wouldn't go anywhere without her. I don't know if he meant other truckers or someone who might bother him.

 

[SomeoneElse333]

I listened to this yesterday but the thread was closed and I couldn't reply.

Something really stood out to me.

I know a lot of people think LE are very careful with what they say in this case - I notice the words 'they' and 'their' are used instead of 'he' and 'him' with regard to whoever killed Abby and Libby.

To LE's defense, 'they' and 'them' are increasingly being used as singular pronouns. We take this approach at my work to help with gender neutrality. 🙂

The above is just my opinion.

 

[Jabarn]

I don't think anything was done to the image on purpose either, when you cut out the pixel blur on the side I think that is were the confusion (pardon my pun :loveyou comes in. *that did not happen on purpose*

So I opened up my computer and cut the background out also, I did not a thing to the image at all except use the magic lasso tool in photoshop. I can definitely see where that can happen, I tried not to do that and I did not use contrast, levels or curves to correct the photo. You can see the original next to it to compare. I think that helps, no?

It does. The problem to me is the wrong pic could lead to a goose chase. I know that the right hand looks too large. It could be he is wearing a glove, but with the amount of work done to enhance, crop and provide an image at all, in such a small window of time to provide the public with any image at all, had to be overwhelming. Quote from the Indy Star below:

The man appears to be walking with his head lowered and his hands in his pockets. Police say the image is grainy because it was cropped out of a larger image taken Feb. 13. The rest of the image has not been released to the public.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...-later-5-questions-delphi-killings/100413504/


I understand that the pic was pulled from a larger frame of cells from a cell phone video. All you can really tell is the general body shape and clothing in the vaguest way. At the same time, it's the best clue available, other than the voice capture. I am surprised the two released images haven't been more helpful in identifying the POI.

 

[franci]

im getting a liitle sadder each day about this case..no information coming out, no news that seems to be moving things forward from LE,even the threads on here are generally getting shorter as we face the reality of having nothing new to work with..I just hate the thought that this will ever become a cold case but i think it might be becoming just that i think about offenders like the wretched Ottis Toole and Henry Lee lucas who travelled the US killing strangers for no reason than the "pleasure' of killing.. If this guy is a SK he may well be impossible to catch for years if at all.. Am so hoping Im wrong and a big breakthrough is pending

 

[sumzero]

To LE's defense, 'they' and 'them' are increasingly being used as singular pronouns. We take this approach at my work to help with gender neutrality. 🙂

The above is just my opinion.

My guess is it has to do with the number of suspects (still an open question), not gender. I've definitely heard numerous references to "he" and "him" when LE has spoken about BG.

 

[Hazelnutty]

Someone recently noticed how bunched up his sleeves are yet they still come fully to his wrists.

I've noticed this, yes. In my research of uniforms and protective gear worn by slaughterhouse employees there are special "sleeve only "' forearm protective gear worn along with an apron. These sleeve only coverings can be to protect from fluids or chemicals only, or made of a mesh- type material that also makes them safe to use with sharp hand tools and also liquids.

Also, these sleeve only protective coverings can include an attached rubber glove or a rubber glove is worn along with them.

These sleeves have an elastic band that holds them above the elbow and at the wrist, unless they have an attached glove.

These sleeve protectors come to mind Every time I see bg's arms.

Sorry I'm unable to attach or add links for some reason. JMO

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[SomeoneElse333]

My guess is it has to do with the number of suspects (still an open question), not gender. I've definitely heard numerous references to "he" and "him" when LE has spoken about BG.

Sorry. I didn't mean to imply that LE is trying to mask gender. Just that they might be in the habit of using they/them as singulars as part of their jobs--their standard way if referring to a person or people.

The above is just my opinion.

 

[Jabarn]

im getting a liitle sadder each day about this case..no information coming out, no news that seems to be moving things forward from LE,even the threads on here are generally getting shorter as we face the reality of having nothing new to work with..I just hate the thought that this will ever become a cold case but i think it might be becoming just that i think about offenders like the wretched Ottis Toole and Henry Lee lucas who travelled the US killing strangers for no reason than the "pleasure' of killing.. If this guy is a SK he may well be impossible to catch for years if at all.. Am so hoping Im wrong and a big breakthrough is pending

I keep hoping to wake up and find an answer has been found. Such a horrific and sad case. In the interim, though, there is a brazen and sick person out there. Since we don't know the motive, I have to err on the side of caution this could be a repeat offender. Keep looking at the case, those of you following. It is important.

 

[franci]

Thanks so much for the link! I highly recommend reading the article - it's heartbreaking yet it was nice to learn a bit about both girls - for me it made them more than a WS case, it reminded me that they were vibrant, loving young women who enjoyed life so much. I guarantee you'll cry a little but it's such a nice tribute to Abby and Libby. :rose:



I guess what adds to the tragedy of this case is that both of these girls sound like such great kids..libby with her big smile, quick thinking and obvious range of talents in so many areas and the delightfully sweet athletic and loving Abby who looks so very much like my own 12 year old daughter katie. Love and prayers to both famiiies with the hope that justice is done for these two precious girls

 

[sumzero]

Sorry. I didn't mean to imply that LE is trying to mask gender. Just that they might be in the habit of using they/them as singulars as part of their jobs--their standard way if referring to a person or people.

The above is just my opinion.

OK. No big deal. I guess I'm just missing your point. As I said, LE has definitely not hesitated to call BG "he" or "him." So, that seems to be common practice for them. But whatever.

 

[terpstra1]

Someone recently noticed how bunched up his sleeves are yet they still come fully to his wrists.

Almost like he had to buy a larger jacket to go around him making the sleeves too long.

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[Scarlett12]

Yikes, that is far different than the food processing plant where I worked. Trucks there waited for about 45 minutes, some times less. 90 minutes on a bad day was probably about maximum. In addition, the line moved regularly, so the truckers waited by their trucks.

Even with the far longer wait times, I still think trucks left unattended longer than a run to the plant cafeteria would be seen as odd- providing that people knew it was unattended.

Cryptic, it seems to be pretty disorganized there . I think it just grew so fast. There are reports of employees taking their work items home, and reports of undocumented workers.

If BG was someone with fake papers they could very well never be found since no one would really know who they really are.,

http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...ented-workers-hired-indiana-packers/80467074/


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[Jabarn]

I've noticed this, yes. In my research of uniforms and protective gear worn by slaughterhouse employees there are special "sleeve only "' forearm protective gear worn along with an apron. These sleeve only coverings can be to protect from fluids or chemicals only, or made of a mesh- type material that also makes them safe to use with sharp hand tools and also liquids.

Also, these sleeve only protective coverings can include an attached rubber glove or a rubber glove is worn along with them.

These sleeves have an elastic band that holds them above the elbow and at the wrist, unless they have an attached glove.

These sleeve protectors come to mind Every time I see bg's arms.

Sorry I'm unable to attach or add links for some reason. JMO

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I had not noticed the bunched up sleeves coming to the wrists before but sure do now.