IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #54

[No it's not]

Does anyone have a link for the PC, if available? Thanks.

-Nin

 

[rsd1200]

I've been loosely following this case, this has probably already been posted, but I thought this article was more personal. It made me wonder, about the softball. This was Abby's first year and both girls had developed a shared passion for the game. I don't feel that their murders were random. I wonder if anyone noticed any folks hanging around the ballpark during a practice or game, that, in hindsight, may have seemed out of place.

http://www.theindychannel.com/longform/delphi-daughters-the-untold-story-of-abby-libby

 

[BoggLed in Ohio]

Sadly, I do not feel the murders occurred where the two girls were later found. I also believe more than one killer was involved in the crimes. From videos, all I can determine is one broken stick on the ground at or near the CS tape on RLs property.

I would like to know how deep the leaves are inside the CS tape area on land as the leaves did not appear to be turned over to expose decomposing leaves.

I have not provided a link to this data so please consider it my very own opinion. Thank you.

What about the broken stick? Are you inferring any useful info can be discerned from it? If so, i completely dismissed that because it could have been from a searcher, or anyone, or even a deer from long ago IMO. Did you see any mention of it on media as being something of any significance?

 

[DeDee]

Quote Originally Posted by DeDee
Yes, LE did search inside of the home and exterior buildings on BBR. I think it is because whatever may be on Liberty's phone made known to LE that the two girls were taken inside a building, home, trailer, camper, barn, room or some such structure as those.

As I've previously posted with links, LE did not block the roads leading to High Bridge on the evening of Feb 13. Hence, the opportunity existed for the two girls to be returned. As far as high risk is concerned, isn't it a high risk crime to capture two girls and murder them in broad daylight? JMHO

If it was too high risk to murder two girls in broad daylight, how might they have been willingly convinced to leave the area in broad daylight, without informing the person they knew would be arriving to pick them up?


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I never wrote it was too high of a risk to do it all in broad daylight. I asked if it was a high risk crime to capture then murder them in daylight. I do believe it was a high risk crime. BG willingly accepted the risk.

IMHO, the two girls were convinced by a deadly weapon to comply with the DTH comment. They did not go gently into that good night.

 

[No it's not]

Via RTV6: [video=youtube;YAgEGUUuUPQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAgEGUUuUPQ[/video]

They searched both sides of the creek bed overnight, marker 0.17ff.

-Nin

 

[kat913]

Yes, that's why I think he came over the bridge NW from the trails from the pedestrian bridge...he would have known if he passed anyone and when he got to bridge only the girls were there. Then down the hill was to the left going towards the crime scene. Only my opinion but keeps them at the NW end of bridge where crime ocurred, I believe...if I am not too mixed up at this point!!

 

[St. Anthony2017]

Some are known to take items from their victim to use as remembrance tokens. They would not show up necessarily on the pawn market, or used in swap meets. I would hate to think there was such a group that gathered beyond the prison walls or edges of the grave.

I haven't heard LE to mention any rings or necklaces that young girls wear were taken but then again we haven't heard much at all .

 

[DeDee]

What about the broken stick? Are you inferring any useful info can be discerned from it? If so, i completely dismissed that because it could have been from a searcher, or anyone, or even a deer from long ago IMO. Did you see any mention of it on media as being something of any significance?

This particular broken stick was shown in one of the seven million five hundred thousand and ninety three videos that it feels like I've viewed, thus far. Someone posted the video recently, as in, the past 2-3 days.

 

[DrOrchid]

That is why I said I think the girls were planning on meeting someone or two there. The "down the hill" comment wasn't a threatening demand, the guy was simply guiding them towards the direction to where their vehicle was parked in the cemetery parking lot and the other person was in the car waiting.

 

[St. Anthony2017]

I don't believe they were doing random vehicle searches that first night, imo.
They may have searched some vehicles that were pulled over for other reasons, such as speeding or other traffic violations, etc...

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I assume LE checked if anyone who got ticketed that night on any of the interstate highways coming out of Delphi.Remember when Polly Klass was in the perps trunk when he got pulled over for speeding after he kidnapped her?. I think the Delphi perp would have been speeding to get away too. It would be great if a random traffic stop leads them to the killer in this case.

 

[BoggLed in Ohio]

This particular broken stick was shown in one of the seven million five hundred thousand and ninety three videos that it feels like I've viewed, thus far. Someone posted the video recently, as in, the past 2-3 days.

Im still failing to see the significance

 

[J Lee]

I assume LE checked if anyone who got ticketed on any of the interstate highways coming out of Delphi.Remember when Polly Klass was in the perps trunk when he got pulled over for speeding after he kidnapped her?. I think the Delphi perp would have been speeding to get away too.

Yes, one would hope they would look closely at any and all infractions that took place that day and night.

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[No it's not]

When did they clear the CS, anyone knows? Thanks.

-Nin

 

[TheVisual]

I haven't heard LE to mention any rings or necklaces that young girls wear were taken but then again we haven't heard much at all .

Would be interesting to see the most recent pictures of the girls that they had taken of each other to see if one or the other had been wearing something that had been given as a gift (or wore all the time)but was missing. JMO

 

[St. Anthony2017]

Would be interesting to see the most recent pictures of the girls that they had taken of each other to see if one or the other had been wearing something that had been given as a gift (or wore all the time)but was missing. JMO

Yes can a necklace or ring be seen in the picture of Abbey? I would have liked to ask her mother if she always wore some special jewelry. I don't think that would be out of line. Most girls their age have pierced ears.

 

[expatCanada]

When did they clear the CS, anyone knows? Thanks.

-Nin

LOGAN: The crime scene has been closed off. It was not -- my property was not released back to me until late Wednesday. I went to the crime scene Thursday morning to try to get a feeling of it. And it`s still difficult to just...


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1702/20/ptab.01.html

 

[No it's not]

LOGAN: The crime scene has been closed off. It was not -- my property was not released back to me until late Wednesday. I went to the crime scene Thursday morning to try to get a feeling of it. And it`s still difficult to just...


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1702/20/ptab.01.html

Very good, thanks! -Nin

 

[No it's not]

Re-posting this interview from a couple of days ago, in case you missed it. The LEOs from Delphi really need support. Drop them an encouraging email (regular line, not tip line), mention some words of appreciation on their social media. They are only humans, you know..

[video=youtube;-mMLrAMohrk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mMLrAMohrk[/video]

 

[steeltowngirl]

A bit about the search from an early story, seems the search didn't go far from the bridge. http://www.jconline.com/story/news/2017/02/14/search-continues-missing-carroll-co-girls/97885722/

Search parties scoured the base of the bridge and surrounding trails Monday night, but darkness made the searches nearly impossible, Leazenby said.

"With darkness last night, we probably didn't pick up on everything," he said. "With daylight in our favor, we're sending folks back out to basically back track where we've already been."

I know there are still a lot of people posting online who believe this killer abducted the girls in a vehicle & took them elsewhere but I just want to explain a few of the reasons why I feel it's very, very unlikely.

Firstly *IF* this case involved vehicular abduction I don't think he would choose to take the enormous risk of returning the girls to the place they were abducted, in the middle of the very area that was being searched rather than go to any other deserted &/or secluded place in Delphi or the surrounding area (& there are MANY).

Concerned locals were posting on news articles that first night & organising their own searches after the official one was called off. So anyone driving around that night or behaving unusually in Delphi, around the High Bridge in particular, was very much at risk of being noticed.

I also think it's important to note that if the killer did take the huge, completely unnecessary (& possibly unprecedented) risk of returning his victims to their abduction site, he wasn't just facing the massive difficulty of manouvring a huge weight quite some distance down steep, slippery inclines & over difficult terrain TWICE, he would've had to do it all in the dark - running the risk of being injured & unable to leave the scene or even leaving behind DNA evidence from an injury, or identifiable footprints, dropped items, clothing fibres caught on trees or fences etc etc.

Not only would he be doubling his risk of leaving evidence of his identity in an area police were already likely to search, darkness also reduced his ability to clean up after himself. Even if he used a headlamp so that his hands were free he was taking a huge risk. There was footage that night of some of the searchers & it was pitch black out there, visibility was poor even with more than one person using torches. On top of all that, the house on the opposite side of the creek overlooks the crime scene - if he's local or scouted the area he would know this & know that using a light source could draw attention to his activities even if the area was clear of searchers.

Aside from all of the above, there are also LE's statements on Amber Alerts in relation to this case, which appear to support the recent media quote re the girls being diverted from the trails straight to the area they were found.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...iley-amber-alert-would-not-have-done-any-good

Personally I believe they were missed the first night because no-one had any idea where they should be looking. They didn't know if they were injured on the trails, lost track of time at a friend's place, or were abducted & speeding towards the state border. There was no reason whatsoever to focus a gridsearch on RL's property the first night so IF his place was searched at all it would've been a quick & cursory calling of the girl's names - because at that point they thought they were searching for 2 kids who at worst, might've suffered nothing more than a sprained ankle & bad ph service. RL's place is FORTY ACRES, much of it covered in gullies, steep inclines & wooded areas - I'm not sure people realise what an absolutely massive and difficult area it would be to cover on foot. It would've taken quite some time & manpower to search it inch by inch in the dark - & even then they could've missed them, depending on whether there were any efforts to conceal.

Short version : there's nothing strange or surprising in the fact that they weren't located the first night & it definitely isn't an indication that they weren't there all along since monday afternoon.


HOWEVER *IF* it emerges RL's property was searched the first night ... I wouldn't discount the possibility of the killer insinuating himself into the search & lying to others that the crime scene area was clear to delay the discovery of the murders.


(also, please excuse my TL/DR posts - I have a serious tendency to talk too much if I post late at night & this thread doesn't open until after 10.30pm if you're in east coast Australia - after midnight if you're in the west :blush: )

 

[expatCanada]

The band Saving Abel that will be preforming for Libby/Abby softball field fundraiser also preformed for Lyric and Elizabeth in Iowa in 2013.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_ea49f7d8-32e5-5918-a2a2-acadbfc0af4f.html