IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #56

[BabyB]

It seems reasonable to consider that this person could be tied to the murders of Elizabeth and Lyric in iowa. Even though their parensts were involved in drugs there are similarities and i hope their case doesn't get written off as just a caualty of their parents drug cases. Both of these sets of murders could have been crimes of opportunity.

True enough both of the places they were taken and found in each case was way off the beaten path, but serial killers don't always stick to one location. And geographically they really aren't that far apart. 5 hours isn't much.

I also believe if in Elizabeth and Lyric's case they believe it was drug related but that's just suspicion. If they knew, they would have arrested someone.

I pray there is resolution to both of these cases. No one is safe when a child killer is on the loose

 

[Jax49]

Interesting.

“Some evidence testing has come back in, but not a lot of it,” Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby said in an interview May 5, adding that he could not discuss particulars about that evidence that he previously said was sent to two locations – the Indiana State Police lab and the FBI lab in Quantico, Va.

http://www.newsbug.info/monticello_...cle_8bc193de-31ee-11e7-8be2-47abfaeb475d.html

Wonder if this comment means they do have DNA?

"has afforded us the opportunity to eliminate people"

 

[SomeoneElse333]

How do WE know no one local recognizes BG? There could be 100 tips called in on him correctly ... LE is likely just acting lost while closing in... I hope!!!

And also people may recognize him--know it was him--and be fearful to say or do anything.

The above is just my opinion.

 

[Jabarn]

Wonder if this comment means they do have DNA?

"has afforded us the opportunity to eliminate people"

I wonder about that, too. This quote is from one of the first articles on the case:

Once a DNA profile is generated, it’s compared to a national database of DNA profiles. A best-case scenario would be if the profile from the crime scene matches with a suspect who’s profile is already on record. It could also match with an unknown profile, which is DNA that has been collected and documented, but never connected to a specific person.

http://fox59.com/2017/02/23/dna-evidence-recovered-in-delphi-murder-investigation/

 

[*Verdigris]

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...IMO much of the sleuthosphere...

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rsbm

I love the "sleuthosphere" --
I think you've just coined a new WS phrase,
which will be used again, and often!

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[rsd1200]

Yet they allow them to walk those abandoned railtracks and trails, which doesn't really make sense to me. If Abby's house was only a short walk from the bridge, I don't see why they might not have planned to go there. We don't know that do we?

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I might let my kid go to a local, well-known, park with a friend but not walk our road, alone, to get there. A lot of times there's not much of a shoulder on the roads where I'm at, out in the countryside, and it would be easy for them to be hit by a car. My mother was hit by a car, near her home, just walking, a very short distance, to the barn. She was walking along the edge of the highway and the truck's mirror hit her and knocked her into the ditch-line. They kept driving. Thankfully she was not severely injured, or killed.

 

[*Verdigris]

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And also people may recognize him--know it was him--and be fearful to say or do anything.

The above is just my opinion.

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But one can always submit a tip anonymously.

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[SomeoneElse333]

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But one can always submit a tip anonymously.

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Yeah, I get it. But I imagine that it's still a scary thing to do, especially if BG even just suspects that you're the only one who can ID him. &#127774;

The above is just my opinion.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I wondered why the pick up person is a mystery. But won't delve into that as it's family. But what struck me most though, was the term predetermined location of pick up. That statement doesn't necessarily say at one of any of the lots to park and walk to the trails, I wondered if the pick up location was on that little road beneath bridge, as the girls were obviously going there anyway to the bridge, I doubt imo it was unknown, as the photo of abby on bridge was posted to sc. ? Thoughts anyone on this? I could be wrong. I gathered this in LE tips for trail safety, as it says do not stray from trail, and imo I'd assume for most who go to the trails, the bridge to them is maybe just an extra plus of the trails. Imo always And would love to know if anyone else has questioned this, if so I apologize for the repeat but I missed the analysis of this type of situation.

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It is puzzling that both who dropped them off and was supposed to pick them up and the location is a "secret" LE prefers to keep. I can't imagine for the life of me just how it is LE expects that "only the killer(s)" would know such information when to me it is entirely doubtful that the killer(s) would know either.

For what it is worth, I expect that the girls were actually dropped off at Abby's home and that only Libby was going to be picked up at Abby's home between 3:00 and 3:30pm. At the Southeast end of the bridge the girls were closer to Abby's home than they were to where that small entry area to the trails is located on 300N. If that were the drop-off and pick-up location then whoever picked them up would them have to drive almost 4 miles all the way around to get back to Abby's home that is 8/10ths of a mile from the Southeast end of that bridge (even closer as the crows fly rather than walking the road). Unless the girls were going somewhere else after their visit to the bridge it doesn't make sense to me that all that excess driving would be done. And it would also mean that any overnight bag that Abby might have had when staying at Libby's the previous night would have to still be in that car or that is the backpack that LE is looking to find because it isn't evident in the Snapchat photos.

Plus, in terms of the time line if the girls were dropped at Abby's home then the time it would take to walk to the bridge, cross it Northward, and then start back across Southward and take those Snapchat photos at 2:07pm would all fit very well without having 45-50 minutes of unknown activity to wonder about if they had been dropped on the North side.

The drop-off/pick-up location being Abby's home makes the most sense to me.

It is absolutely critical, in my opinion, to know exactly where Abby lived and where Libby lived when trying to work this case.

 

[Shiressleuth]

It is puzzling that both who dropped them off and was supposed to pick them up and the location is a "secret" LE prefers to keep. I can't imagine for the life of me just how it is LE expects that "only the killer(s)" would know such information when to me it is entirely doubtful that the killer(s) would know either.

For what it is worth, I expect that the girls were actually dropped off at Abby's home and that only Libby was going to be picked up at Abby's home between 3:00 and 3:30pm. At the Southeast end of the bridge the girls were closer to Abby's home than they were to where that small entry area to the trails is located on 300N. If that were the drop-off and pick-up location then whoever picked them up would them have to drive almost 4 miles all the way around to get back to Abby's home that is 8/10ths of a mile from the Southeast end of that bridge (even closer as the crows fly rather than walking the road). Unless the girls were going somewhere else after their visit to the bridge it doesn't make sense to me that all that excess driving would be done. And it would also mean that any overnight bag that Abby might have had when staying at Libby's the previous night would have to still be in that car or that is the backpack that LE is looking to find because it isn't evident in the Snapchat photos.

Plus, in terms of the time line if the girls were dropped at Abby's home then the time it would take to walk to the bridge, cross it Northward, and then start back across Southward and take those Snapchat photos at 2:07pm would all fit very well without having 45-50 minutes of unknown activity to wonder about if they had been dropped on the North side.

The drop-off/pick-up location being Abby's home makes the most sense to me.

It is absolutely critical, in my opinion, to know exactly where Abby lived and where Libby lived when trying to work this case.

I think that is a very likely and
possible scenario. However, LE still want details of vehicles seen at the trailhead between 1 and 5 p.m. so where exactly is that and why those hours?

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

It is puzzling that both who dropped them off and was supposed to pick them up and the location is a "secret" LE prefers to keep. I can't imagine for the life of me just how it is LE expects that "only the killer(s)" would know such information when to me it is entirely doubtful that the killer(s) would know either.

For what it is worth, I expect that the girls were actually dropped off at Abby's home and that only Libby was going to be picked up at Abby's home between 3:00 and 3:30pm. At the Southeast end of the bridge the girls were closer to Abby's home than they were to where that small entry area to the trails is located on 300N. If that were the drop-off and pick-up location then whoever picked them up would them have to drive almost 4 miles all the way around to get back to Abby's home that is 8/10ths of a mile from the Southeast end of that bridge (even closer as the crows fly rather than walking the road). Unless the girls were going somewhere else after their visit to the bridge it doesn't make sense to me that all that excess driving would be done. And it would also mean that any overnight bag that Abby might have had when staying at Libby's the previous night would have to still be in that car or that is the backpack that LE is looking to find because it isn't evident in the Snapchat photos.

Plus, in terms of the time line if the girls were dropped at Abby's home then the time it would take to walk to the bridge, cross it Northward, and then start back across Southward and take those Snapchat photos at 2:07pm would all fit very well without having 45-50 minutes of unknown activity to wonder about if they had been dropped on the North side.

The drop-off/pick-up location being Abby's home makes the most sense to me.

It is absolutely critical, in my opinion, to know exactly where Abby lived and where Libby lived when trying to work this case.

JMO...
While the girls were still only missing on Monday it was published (check the media thread for the articles/news reports from 2.13) that Libby's older sister dropped them off at one of the trails. It has been said repeatedly on here with links that they were to be picked up at the same location where they were dropped off. IMO this* has been dropped by the media like a hot potato because the sister is a minor and it is now a double murder investigation.

Edit: *This* meaning it was Libby's sister who dropped them off. Also the same reason LE keeps referring to "a family member" instead of referring to a minor sibling.

JMO...

 

[Shiressleuth]

JMO...
While the girls were still only missing on Monday it was published (check the media thread for the articles/news reports from 2.13) that Libby's older sister dropped them off at one of the trails. It has been said repeatedly on here with links that they were to be picked up at the same location where they were dropped off. IMO this has been dropped by the media like a hot potato because the sister is a minor and it is now a double murder investigation.
JMO...

What do you mean by a minor? She was obviously old enough to drive. Do you mean under 18 or under 21 or under 16 even? Also, "one of the trails" could be near Abby's house too in actual fact couldn't it? I don't get the mystery and vagueness TBH.

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

What do you mean by a minor? She was obviously old enough to drive. Do you mean under 18 or under 21 or under 16 even?

JMO...
My impression is the sister is between 16 and 18. Old enough to drive, but not legally an "adult". I do not know the sister's actual age.
JMO...

Edit: most media outlets in the US will not name someone under the age of 18. This is standard regardless if they were a victim of a crime or a perpetrator of a crime, so it would surprise me they are using the generic "family member".

 

[MistyWaters]

Yet they allow them to walk those abandoned railtracks and trails, which doesn't really make sense to me. If Abby's house was only a short walk from the bridge, I don't see why they might not have planned to go there. We don't know that do we?

I get the impression that the Delphi trail system is quite an established local attraction. However it presently ends at the bridge. Whether or not the girls were supposed to cross the length of it, well we just don't know. Walking along country roads, probably gravel, with vehicles travelling along, many parents would see that to be quite different than established trails. MOO

The properties that are close to the trail have been indicated on maps from time to time. None of these are Abby's. While I don't know the actual distance, a couple of miles in the country is not close. Nowhere have I noticed it mentioned anything about the girls walking to Abby's home so I'm not sure why the possibility arises?

 

[Jethro4WS]

I think that is a very likely and
possible scenario. However, LE still want details of vehicles seen at the trailhead between 1 and 5 p.m. so where exactly is that and why those hours?

I believe if they are talking about the trailhead they mean the parking area on the other side of The Hoosier Heartland highway (across the Freedom Bridge).

 

[Jethro4WS]

JMO...
While the girls were still only missing on Monday it was published (check the media thread for the articles/news reports from 2.13) that Libby's older sister dropped them off at one of the trails. It has been said repeatedly on here with links that they were to be picked up at the same location where they were dropped off. IMO this* has been dropped by the media like a hot potato because the sister is a minor and it is now a double murder investigation.

Edit: *This* meaning it was Libby's sister who dropped them off. Also the same reason LE keeps referring to "a family member" instead of referring to a minor sibling.

JMO...

It is why I said "secret".

 

[foxbluff]

I think I remember reading somewhere onbrd that it was Libby's "older Sister" who dropped them off. Wouldn't that mean her married sister? And, if so, is she a minor, do you think?

 

[whiskers]

How long was Libby homeschooling? What grade did she start public school?

 

[Jethro4WS]

I get the impression that the Delphi trail system is quite an established local attraction. However it presently ends at the bridge. Whether or not the girls were supposed to cross the length of it, well we just don't know. Walking along country roads, probably gravel, with vehicles travelling along, many parents would see that to be quite different than established trails. MOO

The properties that are close to the trail have been indicated on maps from time to time. None of these are Abby's. While I don't know the actual distance, a couple of miles in the country is not close. Nowhere have I noticed it mentioned anything about the girls walking to Abby's home so I'm not sure why the possibility arises?

You have to know who Abby lived with in order to know where she lived because that is the name you will find in the tax records - this isn't guessing.

 

[MistyWaters]

You have to know who Abby lived with in order to know where she lived because that is the name you will find in the tax records - this isn't guessing.

i'm still curious what that has to do with this case?