IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #57

[Alethea]

From what? They don't need the main investigating sheriff for that. Regular bailiffs are fine. And there are metal detectors in court.

You don't think the sheriff wanted to observe the proceedings?

 

[WebSight]

They could do it but if they have even the tiniest thought that hey might find evidence which links anyone from the Mears family, they would secure a warrant first.

Its just good, standard practice to get search warrants even when you have permission. But when did it occur? If it was a search for the girls when missing that would be different as they aren't searching for evidence of a perp but instead to find a missing person or child. In those cases verbal okays suffice.

Thanks Gitana1. It was the day they were searching RL's property via the search warrant. I would assume that they might have been looking for evidence of anything pertaining to the murder, i.e., evidence that the girls were there, the perp was there, not necessarily related to the Mears family.

 

[her]

thanks. i will probably quote this post in the future. they are so many that just don't realize that saying someone is not a suspect is just standard protocol by LE days....like you said "whether a person is actually a suspect or not." It is nice to see an attorney back up what i have said for weeks.

Wasn't it not a suspect at this time?

eta bold

 

[Burnt Toast]

Wait, are you telling me that in a case as high profile as this there haven't been DNA results yet?



So after the financial fraud case did the same LE who was investigating the fraud come to court weeks later and accompany the subject of the search warrant, to court, on an unrelated charge?

That's where my ears perk up.

I mean you're right- in a major case like this it makes sense that LE might come
to a search. But then determine nothing was to be found and clear the subject of the search.

To later make a point of walking in with that handcuffed subject sends a clear message to me, though. And it ain't about "protecting" an innocent guy.

Well this was buried in a news story yesterday. Also, several weeks ago they said they have "some" back but were waiting for more to come back.

Investigators are awaiting evidence test results to come back from the FBI laboratory in Quantico, Viriginia.


http://fox59.com/2017/05/07/delphi-residents-reclaim-trail-where-girls-were-murdered/

 

[KyMom]

JMO.. Given that this crime is the murder of 2 young girls in a small town and considering some of the things I saw being said online at the time, esp by anonymous whacko's, (imo) I believe the escorts to court were due to concerns for the safety of RL and others.

moo.

 

[Burnt Toast]

You don't think the sheriff wanted to observe the proceedings?

why would a top dog of LE want to see a few minute hearing for someone who violated their probation? those types of violations are a dime a dozen.

 

[margarita25]

More from Foxfire from L and L's thread; this is possibly significant due to school being out (it seems Foxfire thinks an experienced child predator would know school was out that day...interesting...):

"12-12-2013,*07:21 AM#221
Foxfire


"After researching and studying sexual predators/SKs for years, I've learned that most are very observant, calculating, and become very good hunters over time. Most have a reason for everything they say, and everything they do.

RE: Sexual predators go to the source -schools, playgrounds, malls, bedroom windows."

Snip

"EC & LC, rode their bikes to the park on 07/13/2012, without parental permission and may, or may not have done this before. Tomorrow, children will be in school. In July, children are out for summer break. A child predator would know this...

Sexual predators, although having a preferred victim/s will, lower their expectations as their window of opportunity diminishes, analogous to a mountain lion hunting their prey.
SS, The abductor did not pull off a flawless crime, imo. All of the illusive dots have simply been overlooked, or have not been collected, nor connected, as of yet, imo..
The primary difference between EC & LC's abduction, compared to KS & DH's abduction is that DH escaped MJK's wrath.."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...sdale-13-July-2012-35&p=10040123#post10040123

 

[Alethea]

So after the financial fraud case did the same LE who was investigating the fraud come to court weeks later and accompany the subject of the search warrant, to court, on an unrelated charge?

That's where my ears perk up.

I mean you're right- in a major case like this it makes sense that LE might come
to a search. But then determine nothing was to be found and clear the subject of the search.

To later make a point of walking in with that handcuffed subject sends a clear message to me, though. And it ain't about "protecting" an innocent guy.

With all due respect, this is the sheriff of a tiny Indiana town working on the biggest case the town has ever seen, not the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. I think there are many reasons why the sheriff would want to attend the proceeding, and I think if he didn't attend, we'd be spending threads discussing why he didn't attend. Even if he was convinced RL had nothing to do with the murder, I think he would attend to see who attended, try to read the room, signal to the community he takes this seriously.

JMO but I have rarely seen LE purposefully engage in cryptic signaling. That's the stuff of movies and crime tv shows IMO.

 

[Alethea]

why would a top dog of LE want to see a few minute hearing for someone who violated their probation? those types of violations are a dime a dozen.

His property was the scene of a double homicide and his property has been searched multiple times? And again, this is the sheriff of a small town, not the director of the FBI.

 

[sumzero]

I think you're right- nothing was found.

But certainly LE has NOT acted like RL is innocent since then. He's been targeted pretty significantly as a focus of the investigation. That's clear. The fact that the sheriff investigating these murders saw fit to accompany RL during his court appearance is extremely significant to me. Also, the statement that he's "still involved" in the investigation is noteworthy, IMO, even though it's followed by what's now protocol whether a person is actually a suspect or not- which is the disclaimer that he's not a suspect.

LE's actions since the search warrant have probably been influenced by all the online speculation about RL. IMO, LE knows people have overreacted to the search warrant, so they've gone to great lengths (1) to insist that RL is not a suspect -- expressing it not in some standard way to a reporter, but in a way that seems designed to nip all the speculation in the bud; (2) to deemphasize the search by calling it standard procedure, informing the public that search warrants often lead to no arrest, and reminding everyone that they've executed scores of search warrants on others; and (3) to give RL extra attention and protection due to the savagery with which he has been accused online. In other words, LE has treated him less like a genuine suspect in the murders and more like someone who has been targeted by people who are salivating for someone to pin these murders on. At least, that's how I see it.

 

[her]

With all due respect, this is the sheriff of a tiny Indiana town working on the biggest case the town has ever seen, not the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. I think there are many reasons why the sheriff would want to attend the proceeding, and I think if he didn't attend, we'd be spending threads discussing why he didn't attend. Even if he was convinced RL had nothing to do with the murder, I think he would attend to see who attended, try to read the room, signal to the community he takes this seriously. I'm

JMO but I have rarely seen LE purposefully engage in cryptic signaling. That's the stuff of movies and crime tv shows IMO.

BBM that makes sense to me

 

[*Verdigris]

As far as I know, there's nothing in MSM regarding such a text. That said, I've heard the same and believe it to be true. Imo

But if Libby/Abby had sent out a text that they thought they were being followed, then I really doubt LE would have called off the search that night... (one would hope)
...unless they discovered it later on her phone, that it was typed, but never transmitted. (?)
jmo

 

[Burnt Toast]

JMO.. Given that this crime is the murder of 2 young girls in a small town and considering some of the things I saw being said online at the time, esp by anonymous whacko's, (imo) I believe the escorts to court were due to concerns for the safety of RL and others.

moo.

why use top LE and not just a deputy?

 

[Shiressleuth]

personal items, the murder weapon , foot prints, and of course DNA. It is pretty hard to commit a double homicide without leaving evidence behind.

And also the girls themselves of course, will be a source, COD, TOD, defensive wounds etc.

 

[KyMom]

Regarding the search of RL's property, along w/wanting to be thorough..it's also possible the search was for evidence from someone else being there. I mean, not just the possibility it was someone RL may have known, but BG could have tried to hide on his property, tried to hide in his vehicle, it could even be he knocked on the door and asked to use the phone or bathroom, for a ride to a gas station, etc.

jmo

 

[margarita25]

So, carbuff is now talking with Foxfire in the L and L thread I'm reading, it's a great conversation which can be applied here, imo (if you guys are finding these posts too o/t and hard to follow let me know; Ill give it a rest just in cas as ive posted many..):

"12-12-2013,*01:45 PM#230
carbuff*
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...sdale-13-July-2012-35&p=10040870#post10040870

Foxfire, my research on predators and serial offenders agrees with yours. They're predators. Even if they haven't fantasized and planned a specific crime with a specific victim, they're always looking around them and thinking in terms of victims and escapes.*Is this a place where children congregate? Is that an isolated corner where I can accost them unseen? Does that street give me an easy escape route? Hm, this isolated park where a friend took me fishing could be useful some day. Nobody'd ever think to look here.*And because they're always on the lookout, they can recognize opportunity instantly.*

It's like a coyote looking for a meal. Coyotes know what paths rabbits follow and where they go to eat and drink. They know if they're near a path to water at twilight, they're liable to find a rabbit going to drink. When a rabbit comes down the path, he's ready to spring.*

So I think it's very likely that such a predator (whether sexual or thrill killer) might have cruised past the lake hoping for an opportunity, spotted the girls at an isolated spot at the lake, and pounced, just like a coyote pouncing on a rabbit.*

Is that planned? Yes, but it's not planned in the sense of choosing a specific victim, planning to get to them, luring them, etc. There are killers who do that, but I don't see a lot of evidence of this sort of planning.*

p.s. (Note that I don't think this is the only possible explanation.)"

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Foxfire's response:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...sdale-13-July-2012-35&p=10041208#post10041208
12-12-2013,*04:50 PM#238
Foxfire


"Yep, carbuff, that's an excellent analogy and theory of what likely happened in EC & LC's abduction & murder, imo..
As opposed to KS & DH's abduction, where the predator; MJK, had watched KS & DH, get off that same school bus many times before. MJK, only lived 500' from the school/bus stop. Their abduction was likely planned with them as the intended victims , imo. Due to their school being only days before letting out for summer break on June 5/2012. The window of opportunity for their abduction was quickly diminishing, imo.."

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So, I Margarita lol wonder which one of these scenarios is the case here with BG? Had he watched the girls before? Did he know school was out? Or was he hunting, fishing, came across them and pounced like a rabbit? Did he have a kill kit on him/with him?

I think he was there to kill someone. Planned this, moo.

 

[sumzero]

JMO.. Given that this crime is the murder of 2 young girls in a small town and considering some of the things I saw being said online at the time, esp by anonymous whacko's, (imo) I believe the escorts to court were due to concerns for the safety of RL and others.

moo.

Exactly. I would imagine the sheriff also wants to be visible in a high profile case. No one can accuse him of being AWOL should something happen (and he's probably never encountered this kind of attention to a case before, so he wants to make sure nothing does happen). Makes sense to me.

 

[Burnt Toast]

His property was the scene of a double homicide and his property has been searched multiple times? And again, this is the sheriff of a small town, not the director of the FBI.

his court appearance had nothing to do with the double homicide. i believe the inside of his home was searched just once...on March 17th.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I thought I read that somewhere. Let me see if I can find it.

All I'm finding is Police saying that LG started filming when she became concerned that they were being followed. I must have assumed it she messaged that to someone? But I could have sworn I read that in an article. For now I'll backtrack that to saying she was concerned she was being followed.
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...e/news-story/28908ec6b693b0460913a84d05b93c13

TY for posting that article. I hadn't seen that before.

 

[sumzero]

His property was the scene of a double homicide and his property has been searched multiple times? And again, this is the sheriff of a small town, not the director of the FBI.

Exactly. The actions of LE in a case do not happen in a vacuum. What might seem unusual if considered as a generic hypothetical will not necessarily seem unusual when considering the circumstances of a particular case. So, we might say it's unusual for the sheriff to appear in court with someone accused of probation violations. But that would be misleading. This situation is different, given the victims, the small town, the suffocating publicity, the reckless accusations toward RL, etc. To ignore all that, IMO, will lead to a mistaken conclusion about the sheriff's actions.