IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #66

[Yellow Rose]

Hello, all! Long time lurker, first time poster here, so please excuse any formatting or content errors!

I have followed this tragic case since day 1, and I frequently search for updates and new information. Based on everything I've seen and heard, I wanted to share my two cents about some aspects of the case & BG:

* From the start, I have felt BG is a transient or someone with a job that permits or even requires them to travel (e.g., a semi-truck driver). I have a feeling that Delphi is an area somewhat familiar to BG, but that he is not a local. Perhaps he lived there briefly many years ago, or he has passed through a number of times due to work, etc. Videos I have seen on YouTube seem to depict the Monon Trails as being difficult to access/know about unless you really knew where you were going.
* I believe BG has offended before. This was a brazen attack in broad daylight on not one, but two individuals. I do not believe a first-time murderer would attack more than one person, especially during the daytime in an uncontrollable environment (i.e., they weren't in a small, isolated building; anyone could have potentially come across the attack at any time).
* I do NOT believe Abby or Libby was known to BG or vice-versa prior to their encounter on Feb. 13.
* I believe BG had gone out already planning on attacking a victim, but was either: 1. Looking for a victim around 18-30 or 2. Was looking for a victim of any age.
To clarify: Assuming this was a crime of opportunity/he did not know Abby or Libby prior, what were the odds that on a Monday, during the early afternoon, that two junior-high age girls would be there? I feel that he might have expected to come across a young woman who was perhaps off-work at the time and decided to head to the trails (the 18-30 y.o. age range I mentioned), or a woman of any age - but NOT children. I hope LE is looking into similar crimes that have occurred involving victims much older than Abby & Libby.
* I believe BG's motive was (sickeningly and tragically) sexual in nature. I doubt anyone would think a young teenager would have much to offer if they were being robbed (e.g., for substantial cash or credit cards).

So, in summary: I believe BG is a transient or someone who travels for work (e.g., trucker), and is somewhat familiar with Delphi/the trails, but is not a local. I believe he has offended before, but did not know Abby or Libby prior. I believe he went out that day with the intention of targeting/sexually assaulting/killing a victim, but probably not girls who were as young as Abby & Libby.

I apologize if this rambled longer than the average post! God bless to all and I pray we bring these courageous young girls and their loved ones justice.

Welcome to Websleuths! Just want you to know that my thoughts on this tragedy echo yours precisely.

 

[margarita25]

I have been to a few businesses that have only put the new sketch up.They have failed to add the description along with the sketch.I think that's a mistake.

(Eta: Brainfart post below, my bad)

Hi Imnosherlock,

I just noticed your signature, all the unsolved child murder cases from Carroll Couny, IN.

Do all these cases have threads here? I can certainly search. I know some of these cases has come up here, need to refresh:

"5-year-old Kionnie Welch
7-year-old Kerriele McDonald
9-year-old Keyara Phillips
11-year-old Keyana Davis
13-year-old Abigail Williams
14-year-old Liberty German
All murdered in Carroll County Indiana"

(Odd how similar the other 4 names are)

 

[Deleted member 172065]

The problem with that though those are only unfounded theories at this point just like other theories that were unsupported by actual evidence in so many other cases before the suspect/s were even found and arrested. In several cases the motive wasn't as the majority saw it nor was the suspect who the majority believed it was.

No one really knows what any motive may have been of any murderer/s until, and if the police uncover the evidence needed that may give a glimpse as to the motive in any case. Until the Pike County mass murders are solved with the suspect/s arrested the true motive will remain unknown. In the end, it may have nothing to do with revenge at all or drugs as some believe.

I believe the motive for murdering both of these two young girls was to sexually assault one or both and then leave no living witnesses behind to tell anyone what had happened to them.

However, that is only my opinion and speculation on my part based on past cases with similar circumstances. Plus studies I have read over the years concerning young children/teens who were abducted or held against their will, and later found murdered. The majority (44%) who did these kind of crimes in the studies were strangers to the victim/s and the overriding majority motive for doing so was an intent to sexually assault the victim/s.

But of course I could be wrong on the motive speculation since I don't have any irrefutable evidence to back any of it up at this time.... even though I am sure the investigators do know if this was sexual assault motivated. In this case we don't even know how the girls were killed but we do know he left DNA.

JMO though

This case does seem most likely to be a SA. The police and family know, of course. The thing that throws me off is all of them going through the near freezing water first. That couldn't have been part of the perp's plan!

 

[ImnoSherlock]

Hi Imnosherlock,

I just noticed your signature, all the unsolved child murder cases from Carroll Couny, IN.

Do all these cases have threads here? I can certainly search. I know some of these cases has come up here, need to refresh:

"5-year-old Kionnie Welch
7-year-old Kerriele McDonald
9-year-old Keyara Phillips
11-year-old Keyana Davis
13-year-old Abigail Williams
14-year-old Liberty German
All murdered in Carroll County Indiana"

(Odd how similar the other 4 names are)

The first four names are the sisters from Flora who were murdered in a house fire 9 miles from Delphi.You know the other two names murdered 3 months later.There is not a thread on WS for the sisters that I am aware of.The sisters have been talked about here on this thread before.

 

[margarita25]

The first four names are the sisters from Flora who were murdered in a house fire 9 miles from Delphi.You know the other two names murdered 3 months later.There is not a thread on WS for the sisters that I am aware of.The sisters have been talked about here on this thread before.

Oh duhhhhhh I thought of that, then got confused and had a temporary brainfart due to the 4 different last names. Just waking up and having my coffee. My bad. I think I might have even started the thread for them (maybe not). :blushing:

Duhhhhhhhh. Embarrassed. Carry on.

 

[Deleted member 189081]

Hi Imnosherlock,

I just noticed your signature, all the unsolved child murder cases from Carroll Couny, IN.

Do all these cases have threads here? I can certainly search. I know some of these cases has come up here, need to refresh:

"5-year-old Kionnie Welch
7-year-old Kerriele McDonald
9-year-old Keyara Phillips
11-year-old Keyana Davis
13-year-old Abigail Williams
14-year-old Liberty German
All murdered in Carroll County Indiana"

(Odd how similar the other 4 names are)

Sadly the first 4 children were sisters who were the victims of the awful fire in Flora which from my understanding the cause, was deliberate.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...shaken-over-unsolved-arson-that-killed-4-kids

 

[Hapworth]

Props to GH and his videos. He's contributed stunner cogent video analysis on this case as well as those of the gruesome murders of the McStay family, and the vengeance fueled murder of Travis Alexander.

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[ImnoSherlock]

Props to GH and his videos. He's contributed stunner video analysis on this case as well as those of the gruesome murders of the McStay family, and the vengeance fueled murder of Travis Alexander.

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Has GH did a video on the Iowa case?

 

[margarita25]

Has GH did a video on the Iowa case?

Now that's a great quesion.

 

[ImnoSherlock]

This case does seem most likely to be a SA. The police and family know. The thing that throws me off is all of them going through the near freezing water first. That couldn't have been part of the perp's plan!

Not to be argumentative,but,why does it seem to you that SA took place?

 

[margarita25]

This case does seem most likely to be a SA. The police and family know, of course. The thing that throws me off is all of them going through the near freezing water first. That couldn't have been part of the perp's plan!

This is why I think it's possible they might have made a run for it, moo. I posted waaaaay upstream, like thread 1, about how one time my violent loser ex was chasing me after a beating and so I ran into the water to get away from him. It just seems like something I would do, moo.

Thinking more about this, with them knowing the area, maybe they were running towards something in peculiar, instinctually. If they had made it past the creek and continued forward, what is there? Just thinking out loud...I don't believe this has any relevance to finding BG either way.

 

[Hapworth]

Has GH did a video on the Iowa case?

No that I'm aware. I can check his YouTube channel to be sure.

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[margarita25]

Not to be argumentative,but,why does it seem to you that SA took place?

I know you're asking her, but I'll answer because I also do think very likely SA took place. This is only based on the thousands of other cases/ threads/ other child murders I've seen here. The motive is usually SA. Moo. Other than parents who kill their kids, babysitters, etc, I can't recall other cases where the motive is otherwise.

Eta: Another thing, imo I do think that if there was no evidence of SA, LE would have mentioned this, despite their prerogative to "keep things close to the vest in order to preserve the integrity of the investigation."

 

[her]

Very hard to determine motive without knowing COD or the intricate circumstances of attack leading to the murders, or how the girls and the CS was/ were left.

Having said that, I am not a local and I see a very beautiful part of land. I see a neat tight knit community with hard working down to earth people.

Most of all I see a lot of history, historical buildings throughout the trails and beyond. Even the name "Delphi" ("Womb") being synonymous with the ancient Greek sanctuary and location of the oracle, which was consulted throughout history about important decisions to be made.
The "oracle" is integrated in Libby's and Abby's Middle School and High School sports teams and logos.

I am wondering, if it is possible, that the murderer was creating his own "historical marker"..?

In other words, if it turns out, that the girls had been S assaulted, then I can see that as the motive for the crime, even if I considered the time spent with the girls as very short. If it turns out however, that there was no S assault, then either the MO or the signature or both would compensate for the lack of actual S acts and thus fulfill the killers psychological need, or - the motive is completely different. Then I would take into consideration, what I previously said about the historical marker. Not far fetched in my view.

All IMO

-Nin

I like this a lot, NIN.

 

[ImnoSherlock]

I like this a lot, NIN.

So do I. I had been thinking about the historical marker idea since I read the link I posted this morning.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

SO BASICALLY, the girls were fleeing and went across the creek, OR
that was part of the perp's plan to go through the near freezing water. We know the perp was cold and wearing a coat so THAT WOULD BE ODD...maybe he didn't know the terrain as well as we think he did.

 

[margarita25]

Fwiw:

GALLERY: 63 ARRESTED IN JOHNSON CO. METH CASES

A joint investigation by Johnson County law enforcement resulted in arrest warrants for 63 people Wednesday on drug charges. Click through the gallery to see mugshots for everyone charged in the case.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/gallery-63-arrested-in-johnson-co-meth-cases#

(Who knew there were so many "bulbous noses" out there...)

 

[margarita25]

I like this a lot, NIN.

Indeed. I had posted about this as well upstream. Is "Delphi" just a coincidence, though? Possibly.

Also, thinking about oceanblueeyes', etc post about the element of luck...this also could be. I've leaned towards a planned, skilled, abductor, but for all we know he just happened to stop there. I seems that as more time passes by, I'm discounting different instincts/initial thoughts ive had from he beginninh. I guess what I'm saying is I have no idea about anything anymore, but one thing that keeps me going back to my original feelings that this guy planned this, surveilled this area, etc etc, is based on many posts by our Late Great Foxfire. I just don't think Foxfire would consider this the work of any other than a seasoned, skilled, predator hunter who knew exactly what he was doing, devoid of antyping pretaining to luck or chance. Moo.

"There's a reason he's gotten away with this for so long."
"There's a reason for the seasons."
----Foxfire

 

[Sillybilly]

Please do not discuss other Websleuth members as if they don’t exist here. That’s just rude.

We don’t have time to do the courtesy of an edit, so entire posts have been removed and more pertinent comments get lost in the process.

 

[crhedBngr]

This is why I think it's possible they might have made a run for it, moo. I posted waaaaay upstream, like thread 1, about how one time my violent loser ex was chasing me after a beating and so I ran into the water to get away from him. It just seems like something I would do, moo.

Thinking more about this, with them knowing the area, maybe they were running towards something in peculiar, instinctually. If they had made it past the creek and continued forward, what is there? Just thinking out loud...I don't believe this has any relevance to finding BG either way.

Firstly, margarita25, I'm so very sorry you had to deal with a violent ex. I'm thankful you are okay.

As to whether or not the girls did cross the icy creek? I believe they did, and I believe they didn't even feel the cold water.

Why? I'll share a story of mine. I was 13 years old, babysitting for the neighbor's kids (around 9:00 p.m.), and a young woman got hit by a truck directly in front of the house where I was babysitting. She was with a friend, and the friend sought assistance from me. I didn't think to call 911, but instead ran to a neighbor's house in the cold Wisconsin winter night, crossing through another neighbor's yard. I was in stocking feet and had not put on a coat.

To this day, I don't remember the cold or getting my feet wet. I DO remember running through a snowbank (the weird
stuff one remembers!).

My point? When one is under extreme duress, one doesn't accurately process one's surroundings. I'd be willing to bet the girls didn't even know they were crossing Deer Creek.

ETA: I've been away for a few days and was so hoping the perp had been arrested!

JMVHO.