IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #73

[Shiressleuth]

I found a quote. I did not find the quote you referenced that says he was living in a vehicle under a specific bridge.

If you have it that would be great.

No I don't have the link but have seen it on here several times. It was Roxie Bortner whose family he lived with for a while - they had to let him go but Roxies son let him have the car to sleep in (presumably cos it was freezing cold at the time)

 

[Shiressleuth]

There is also a plant in Mentone and logansport.

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Yes I missed that. They are both further from Martinsville than Delphi though.

 

[cathdawg]

News, Roxie Bortner
https://www.wthr.com/article/state-...o-interview-person-of-interest-in-delphi-case

 

[Shiressleuth]

News, Roxie Bortner
https://www.wthr.com/article/state-...o-interview-person-of-interest-in-delphi-case

TY cathdawg.

 

[foxbluff]

No I don't have the link but have seen it on here several times. It was Roxie Bortner whose family he lived with for a while - they had to let him go but Roxies son let him have the car to sleep in (presumably cos it was freezing cold at the time)

Here you go.

https://www.wthr.com/article/state-...o-interview-person-of-interest-in-delphi-case

<snip> In Indianapolis, Eyewitness News found a woman who spoke to Nations just days after the Delphi murders. We learned that at the time Nations was homeless and in and out of work.

Roxie Bortner and her family were friends with Nations for over a year....

"He was pretty much living under the overpass, sleeping in my son's car. He never really had a place stay," Bortner said. Until the family found him one. <snip>

 

[cathdawg]

mycaseIN,https://www.google.ca/search?q=myca...69i57j69i60.6887j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
DN and KN have had several eviction notices over the 3-4 yrs while living in IN.
Bortners 2016, Hamiltons 2015, Biggs 2015 and Fields 2014.

 

[margarita25]

It was before 2:42 PM, Feb 13/17. KN had posted the results of the ultrasound on FB. KN was still looking for DN @ 9:06PM Feb13/17. Somehow they must of connected after this as she stated she drove him to his check in @ the Police Dept Feb 14/17

(?....looking for him? )

 

[cathdawg]

Yes, this was on social media so I can't go into detail.

 

[Momma2cam]

Just a little side note since KN was pretty ambiguous with her statements. She endured abuse and fear while being with DN therefore she is caught in a quandry. Keeping him away from her gives her a sense of relief (therefore she may not be so quick to exonerate him and help prove his innocence). On the flip side she probably has feelings of loyalty (misguided perhaps but still there for him) therfore she doesn't want to get him in too much trouble that can be traced back to her betraying him.

Victims of Domestic Violence can be confusing and contradictory to understand but everything they do or don't do is for pure survival and betraying the abuser (even if it is just perceived) is very scary and actually can be debillatating for the victim. Their behavior may appear irrational but to them they know how to survive in that familar environment. Breaking free is a very difficult emotional process and therefore I would really hope both KN and her children will have the support they all need.

I wish I could thank this 100 times. Very well said.

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[deugirtni]

YES!!! THIS!!! This is what I've been thinking all along! There has got to be a reason LE said in the beginning it MAY be more than 1 person! What lead them to believe that??

Did they *believe* that, or were/are they just keeping their minds open to that possibility?

 

[minazoe]

Doesn't appear DN was paying attention when they were teaching calm and directing. At least based on what everyone here has been discussing with regard to waving a hatchet.

he was enraged .

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

Here you go.

https://www.wthr.com/article/state-...o-interview-person-of-interest-in-delphi-case

<snip> In Indianapolis, Eyewitness News found a woman who spoke to Nations just days after the Delphi murders. We learned that at the time Nations was homeless and in and out of work.

Roxie Bortner and her family were friends with Nations for over a year....

"He was pretty much living under the overpass, sleeping in my son's car. He never really had a place stay," Bortner said. Until the family found him one. <snip>

:gaah:

Again, something that can be read 2 ways.

Living under the underpass during the day and walking to or getting dropped off at her son&#8217;s car to sleep at night.
Living in the car which was parked under the bridge.

Assuming in either circumstance he locked it when he wasn&#8217;t sleeping in it, did he have the whole set of keys? Just the keyfob to lock and unlock but not start the car? Was it a driveable vehicle? Or was it parked somewhere needing work done before it could run again?


Why does every answer we get lead to another round of questions???

:banghead:

 

[mtnlites]

I took the quote as meaning that he sometimes slept under the underpass and sometimes slept in a car-not that he was doing both at the same time.

Still not seeing the correlation between him working on the pig farm and being the one who actually drove them to be slaughtered.

I think BG's voice is measured and in total control; in contrast, DN's voice seems to be all over the place (not to mention in a different pitch).

 

[mtnlites]

Did they *believe* that, or were/are they just keeping their minds open to that possibility?

I haven't seen anything from LE that speaks to their certainty of there being more than one person. I just believe that, in the beginning, they were keeping their minds open to the possibility (as you said).

 

[deugirtni]

Very true and is why I don't put much weight into KN and employer saying he resembles the sketch as it is possible numerous other people have come forward saying the same but since they were not named POI at this time, nothing public has been shared about these calls.

Has anyone been able to come up with a good reason why DN would choose to go to Delphi, assuming he was able to get there? As others have said, something linking him to the area would give more credibility to his connection, IMO.

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I wonder if LE went to the industrial plants in and around Delphi to ask for all job applications received on or about February 13th? Were there any 'job fairs'? Any job interviews held? I believe most places only keep resumes/applications on file for x length of time, so time would have been of the essence. Would be nice to know that those i's and t's were dotted and crossed.

 

[Boxer]

KN interview she gave to AG she addresses where DN was living under bridges.

No I don't have the link but have seen it on here several times. It was Roxie Bortner whose family he lived with for a while - they had to let him go but Roxies son let him have the car to sleep in (presumably cos it was freezing cold at the time)

His living situation when living homeless under bridges near Hwy 67 as stated by KN.
At 34:45 mark.

youtube.com/watch?v=XrB3vjyxFsw

Its an abandoned rail bridge over White Lick Creek just south of the Arbys in Camby In.

 

[mtnlites]

Someone commented upthread that nobody has been able to say that they are 99% sure that DN isn't BG. I'll say it...I am 99% sure that DN isn't BG. Some of that has to do with the direct lack of evidence (not matching DNA that we are aware of, no connection to Delphi that we are aware of, no placement in Delphi that we are aware of, unknown COD that could tie him to the murders, the fact that I don't think he looks like the sketch or sounds like the recording, etc.) but MOST of it has to do with the information I've gained through research through off-WS sources. (Things that can't be shared here because of TOS.)

If DN turns out to be BG then I'll admit that I was wrong and I'll be thrilled that he's incarcerated and can't do anymore harm.

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

I took the quote as meaning that he sometimes slept under the underpass and sometimes slept in a car-not that he was doing both at the same time.

Still not seeing the correlation between him working on the pig farm and being the one who actually drove them to be slaughtered.

I think BG's voice is measured and in total control; in contrast, DN's voice seems to be all over the place (not to mention in a different pitch).

Thanks, mtnlites,

JMO...
Interpreted 3 ways, then! Still nothing concrete. :sigh:

I remember reading something at the beginning of when the DN headlines started that he drove a pig truck. I looked for the article and have not been able to find it, which is why I asked Shire if she had it when she mentioned it in a post earlier. I agree, working at a pig farm does not equate to driving the trucks to deliver the pigs, but that missing article is where the driving the truck part came from. I will continue to try to find the original article and if I do, I&#8217;ll link it here. If another WSer links it first, TIA.

I agree BG&#8217;s voice sounds controlled.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Hmm. When you put it like that... Just my opinion, but it seems like if DN was there he would have been able to provide investigators some inside information to help give credibility to the fact he was there. (Even just little bits of verifiable information that only someone who was there would remember, like the ultrasound tech was wearing SpongeBob scrubs, or the baby‘s heartbeat was a little slow, anything of that nature. I remember my OB/GYN‘s office taped funny things to the top of the pens on the front desk so patients wouldn’t accidentally pocket them according to the time of year, like tulips in the spring or pumpkins in the fall. If KN’s doctor did something similar, that would be another little detail he could remember to convince investigators that he was actually there.) You would think he would be doing anything he could to bolster his alibi. Now of course we don’t know that he didn’t and hasn’t, but it does seem like investigators would’ve ruled him out by now if he were able to give such details. Maybe KN did forget if DN was present at the ultrasound, but the chances are a whole a lot slimmer that both of them don’t remember. Especially when that memory could give credence to DN’s alibi and maybe get him out of suspicion for murder.

Thanks for a thought provoking post Shiressleuth!


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YVW The only reason I can think why they don't know is because he wasn't there. Officially they were separated due to the DV so I cannot see how he could have been there. JMO.

 

[Boxer]

Thanks, mtnlites,

JMO...
Interpreted 3 ways, then! Still nothing concrete. :sigh:

I remember reading something at the beginning of when the DN headlines started that he drove a pig truck. I looked for the article and have not been able to find it, which is why I asked Shire if she had it when she mentioned it in a post earlier. I agree, working at a pig farm does not equate to driving the trucks to deliver the pigs, but that missing article is where the driving the truck part came from. I will continue to try to find the original article and if I do, I&#8217;ll link it here. If another WSer links it first, TIA.

I agree BG&#8217;s voice sounds controlled.

I also have been looking for the mention of his driving the pigs to processing and not coming up with it. I remember it -- but so far no luck. I thought the farm manager mentioned it in her interview - when giving a summary of what work he did around the farm.