IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #79

[carbuff]

BBM. RL is an outlier here. RL’s problem is that he lied about where he was during the timeframe of the murders to cover up that he was out drinking & driving. LE was understandably suspicious when they were clearing alibis and found out that the landowner of the murder site was lying about his whereabouts during the murders. And although RL did give permission for them to search for the girls on his land, my recollection is that LE executed a search warrant to go through the buildings and his house.

I never thought RL was BG, but I also never considered him as sympathetic a character as many here do. He had already skated on 4 DUIs (at least), is considered a habitual offender, and only had probation revoked because he was out DUI’ing again. He lied to LE about his whereabouts during the murders to save his own hide. He should be cooperating fully at this point!

I don't think there was ever any confirmation about either the lying or the probation violation being another DUI; that was just speculation. We really don't know what the violation was or why he was brought in at that time.

I also don't think we can read anything into LE executing a search warrant. Delphi LE and ISP have been meticulous about making sure they follow procedures and that no evidence can be thrown out on grounds of an illegal search.

 

[Jax49]

Maybe he was transferred? Didn't this confuse us before and we thought he was out out?

Don't know about DN but we went thru all kinds of confusion about RL's location. moo

 

[ElementalLaura]

Do you have a link to RL lying to LE? If not, you shouldn’t post that as fact.


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Below is Inside Edition with RL's alibi.

http://www.insideedition.com/headli...rty-where-bodies-of-indiana-hikers-were-found

He told Inside Edition that he has an alibi, saying he was buying tropical fish at the time of the murders.

I was not home during the time all this was happening, I was in Lafayette and I didn't get home until 6:30 in the evening and the neighbors stopped and asked permission to look back here for the girls,” he said.

Here's are links to two MSM articles covering why his probation was revoked:
http://wishtv.com/2017/04/10/owner-...ed-to-nearly-4-years-for-probation-violation/

[FONT=&amp]Under his probation, [RL] was not supposed to consume alcohol, have access to any vehicles or commit a new criminal offense. He admitted to breaking those terms by drinking alcohol at a Pizza King in Americus, having access to his vehicle across the street from his house, and driving to the Carroll County Transfer Station on Feb. 13.[/FONT][FONT=&amp]Police have stated that Logan is not a suspect in the double murder investigation. Investigators have revived thousands of tips in the case. An arrest has yet to be made.

[/FONT]http://fox59.com/2017/04/03/man-adm...hi-teens-were-found-murdered-on-his-property/

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His high-profile locally and in news reports about the killings coincided with not only the trip to the Carroll County Waste Transfer Station but also an admitted visit to a restaurant in Tippecanoe County, where Logan was spotted drinking alcohol in violation of his probation.

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[FONT=&amp][RL] was jailed and held without bond one month ago.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]“We allege that he violated those conditions of his probation by drinking, by having access to his vehicle which he wasn’t supposed to have and by driving while he’s adjudicated as a habitual traffic violator,” said Deputy Prosecutor Jerry Beam after [RL] accepted a guilty plea. “There would have been evidence and/or testimony about his driving to the transfer station and also to the fact that he consumed alcoholic beverages at the Americus Pizza King.”[/FONT]

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Many threads ago, someone posted an excerpt from court documents that stated that the prosecutor had timestamped video of him at the Pizza King as well as a receipt showing that he was drinking alcohol.

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[ElementalLaura]

I don't think there was ever any confirmation about either the lying or the probation violation being another DUI; that was just speculation. We really don't know what the violation was or why he was brought in at that time.

A court can't revoke probation without cause. They filed court documents specifying why the probation was being revoked. I didn't say that he received a DUI on Feb. 13. I said he was drinking and driving.

I also don't think we can read anything into LE executing a search warrant. Delphi LE and ISP have been meticulous about making sure they follow procedures and that no evidence can be thrown out on grounds of an illegal search.

I agree. By the same token, we also can't point to that search as something that RL offered up voluntarily, which was one of the points to which I was responding.

RL has had a rough ride via SM. Fortunately, I think he's pretty immune to what happens on SM, but still, he didn't deserve that. But I do not sympathize with habitual drunk drivers in a state like Indiana that is very lenient in that regard. Maybe it's because I've lost loved ones because drunk drivers plowed into them.

 

[carbuff]

Thanks for the pointers. I had somehow missed the court record with the actual accusation. (What? 79 threads and there were posts I didn't remember? Couldn't happen :floorlaugh: )

p.s. Agree with you 100 per cent about drunk drivers...

 

[Shiressleuth]

A court can't revoke probation without cause. They filed court documents specifying why the probation was being revoked. I didn't say that he received a DUI on Feb. 13. I said he was drinking and driving.




I agree. By the same token, we also can't point to that search as something that RL offered up voluntarily, which was one of the points to which I was responding.

RL has had a rough ride via SM. Fortunately, I think he's pretty immune to what happens on SM, but still, he didn't deserve that. But I do not sympathize with habitual drunk drivers in a state like Indiana that is very lenient in that regard. Maybe it's because I've lost loved ones because drunk drivers plowed into them.

Yes it is 3 things, he had access to a vehicle, he drove to the dump on the 13th Feb and he had a beer at a pizza place - not all on the 13th necessarily so he didn't get another DUI but did have his probation revoked. He was not convicted of lying, AFAIK. In the sentence it was allowed that a modification could be applied for. This was done on the 26th September, the day after DN was arrested in Co. I do wonder if there is some sort of connection between DN and RL .
Regarding the search, he had given permission to search his property the evening the girls went missing. When the search warrant was executed, RL was in jail so LE would have needed the warrant, IMO, as the owner of the property was not present and LE were planning to seize property (the truck for instance).
:cow:

 

[Jax49]

Yes it is 3 things, he had access to a vehicle, he drove to the dump on the 13th Feb and he had a beer at a pizza place - not all on the 13th necessarily so he didn't get another DUI but did have his probation revoked. He was not convicted of lying, AFAIK. In the sentence it was allowed that a modification could be applied for. This was done on the 26th September, the day after DN was arrested in Co. I do wonder if there is some sort of connection between DN and RL .

[FONT=&amp]Motion for Department of Corrections Progress Report.
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[FONT=&amp]Filed By:
Achey, Andrew A.

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[FONT=&amp]File Stamp:
09/20/2017

Looks like it was filed on the 20th. Order granting was entered on the 21th. moo[/FONT]

 

[Shiressleuth]

[FONT=&amp]Motion for Department of Corrections Progress Report.
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[FONT=&amp]Filed By:
Achey, Andrew A.

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[FONT=&amp]File Stamp:
09/20/2017

Looks like it was filed on the 20th. Order granting was entered on the 21th. moo[/FONT]

Thanx Jax. Was that just for the Progress Report? The actual modification hearing request was after the receipt of the progress report I think, but I could be wrong. Perhaps they had to wait 6 months from his arrest before they could ask for a modification and the closeness to DN's arrest is just another coincidence.

 

[Jax49]

Thanx Jax. Was that just for the Progress Report? The actual modification hearing request was after the receipt of the progress report I think, but I could be wrong. Perhaps they had to wait 6 months from his arrest before they could ask for a modification and the closeness to DN's arrest is just another coincidence.

Right. 9/20 was just asking for the court to order a progress report be prepared. That was granted on 9/21. On 10/26/17 a progress report was sent to the court and on 11/29 RL's lawyer filed for modification of sentence.

I'd say just another concidence...

moo

 

[Shiressleuth]

https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase...HVTVNVEF3T0RFeE1URXdPalV4T1RNMk1qY3lPVFk9In19

This is a link to RL case details.

The dates shown for the Progress report are both 20 Sep and 26 Sep ( probably a sent and received date). The motion for a modification didn't actually happen till 30 Nov, once the Progress Report was received from the DOC.

(If the actual case doesn't show at the link, just enter RL's name and select the case from the search results. )

 

[Shiressleuth]

https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase...pbGVFbmQiOm51bGwsIkNvdW50eUNvZGUiOm51bGx9fQ==

While I'm looking at court cases I may as well post the link for DN details too. There are 5 cases with warrants on them, shown as a red "W" in the link.

( same thing applies - if no cases are shown just search with first and last names)

 

[ElementalLaura]

Yes it is 3 things, he had access to a vehicle, he drove to the dump on the 13th Feb and he had a beer at a pizza place - not all on the 13th necessarily so he didn't get another DUI but did have his probation revoked. He was not convicted of lying, AFAIK. In the sentence it was allowed that a modification could be applied for. This was done on the 26th September, the day after DN was arrested in Co. I do wonder if there is some sort of connection between DN and RL .
Regarding the search, he had given permission to search his property the evening the girls went missing. When the search warrant was executed, RL was in jail so LE would have needed the warrant, IMO, as the owner of the property was not present and LE were planning to seize property (the truck for instance).
:cow:

No, he wasn't charged with false informing this time because he plea-bargained away those charges by pleading guilty. Sound familiar?

Here's the MSM backup. The online version of the article posted by the Monticello Herald Journal is here:

http://www.newsbug.info/monticello_...cle_f3efd096-18d6-11e7-88b9-f339d079eadc.html

But you'll havecontact them to order a print version which contains the full article. A websleuths member uploaded that print edition (the article in question) to a google drive. Here's the link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3g3DEap84xwNVlCNEZKelBWUEU/view

The link is contained in Thread #46,

Here are some MSM quotes that may interest you:

In exchange for [RL]’s guilty plea, the state “agrees that no charges for False Informing or Obstruction of Justice or other HTV offenses committed prior to today’s date will be filed,” according to the plea agreement.

Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Jerry Bean would not comment regarding from what those charges might have stemmed.


“Basically, he apparently said some things that didn’t necessarily cause the focus to go further into him, with regard to the larger investigation, but it was found that he wasn’t being completely honest in those statements,” [Sheriff] Lazenby said. “He was actually violating his probation by those statements.”


Lazenby wouldn’t give specific details about what those statements were, but gave a generic example. “I think there would be instances where he would say A, B and C happened and then some investigation occurred and it was actually D, E and F that happened. It wasn’t A, B and C."

(Please note transcription errors are my fault; I had to retype by going back and forth between screens)

I was incorrect that the drinking incident for which he was caught was Feb. 13. It was Feb. 27. Forgive me if I don't believe Feb. 27 was the first time he had been drinking and driving yet again. Again, I didn't say he got a DUI. I said he is a habitual offender and, as such, he habitually drinks and drives. Hence the designation.

Here's an MSM article from 3/15/17 about how they had to go back and corroborate alibis because some people lied:

http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...rating-alibis-given-delphi-killings/99221194/

“We’re going deeper with alibis that are provided,” Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby said. “Part of the reason … we have learned of people who have lied to us on the alibi.”

BBM, but the elipses are in the original.

I know about the search warrant provisions. The original comment I replied to implied that Logan had allowed unfettered access to his property. That's also not 100% accurate.

I'm not particularly interested in relitigating the one person on the planet that LE has been able to say is not a suspect in the A&L's murders. But when people cry about how poor RL was overcharged because he had to spend a whole six months in lockup for drinking and driving after getting a probational hand slap for his 4th DUI, I will set the record straight. He may be everyone's santa clause grandfather, but he's also a habitual drunk driver. He lied to LE in the early days of this investigation, and LE resources had to be expended to not only corroborate his alibi but also establish his pattern of non-compliance with the terms of his probation.

 

[terpstra1]

I believe discussing RL is off limits per mod.

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[Shiressleuth]

Last 24 hours 74 posts, approx 25 mentioned DN.

Note. RL was not convicted of anything regarding false reporting so the opinion of the Sheriff in MSM is immaterial, and is just speculation as is my opinion.

 

[ElementalLaura]

Last 24 hours 74 posts, approx 25 mentioned DN.

Note. RL was not convicted of anything regarding false reporting so the opinion of the Sheriff in MSM is immaterial, and is just speculation as is my opinion.

Be sure to apply the same standard to DN.

 

[kc1023]

Last 24 hours 74 posts, approx 25 mentioned DN.

Note. RL was not convicted of anything regarding false reporting so the opinion of the Sheriff in MSM is immaterial, and is just speculation as is my opinion.

BBM Please don't misinterpret my saying this, Shires, because it's not intended badly AT ALL -- but it is super cracking me up that you are going back and tallying up all the posts periodically now. lololol

:giggle:

 

[Boxer]

I don't think there was ever any confirmation about either the lying or the probation violation being another DUI; that was just speculation. We really don't know what the violation was or why he was brought in at that time.

I also don't think we can read anything into LE executing a search warrant. Delphi LE and ISP have been meticulous about making sure they follow procedures and that no evidence can be thrown out on grounds of an illegal search.

MyCase has RLs court cases - he is indeed a danger to his community - 3 of his DUI offenses are specified to endanger persons.

https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase...GaWxlRW5kIjpudWxsLCJDb3VudHlDb2RlIjpudWxsfX0=

 

[cathdawg]

DN IS IN CLEAR CREEK JAIL
Offender Name: NATIONS, DANIEL JAMES
Custody Status: In Custody
Age: 32
Location: Clear Creek County Sheriff's Office
Race: White

 

[Shiressleuth]

Be sure to apply the same standard to DN.

DN is a different kettle of fish. He has absconded and has multiple warrants still outstanding for sex, drugs and Dui offences so they have to catch him first to put him before the courts and it is then down to them and not my opinion thankfully.

 

[Shiressleuth]

DN IS IN CLEAR CREEK JAIL
Offender Name: NATIONS, DANIEL JAMES
Custody Status: In Custody
Age: 32
Location: Clear Creek County Sheriff's Office
Race: White

I knew you could find him. TY for that.