IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #79

[franci]

It seems to me that if bodies were found on ones property, one would not be at ease to return there with a killer or killers at large. (Agreed?)

Therefore I would surmise that: a) One would NOT feel safe to return home if killer or killers remained at large. -OR- b) One WOULD feel safe to return home IF one was certain that killer or killers were incarcerated (or dead).

Of course one might also CHOOSE not to return home in order to avoid media scrutiny.

This brings me to thinking that IF said land owner has returned home (& I do NOT know the answer to that) it could be rather telling; an indication that the land owner feels safe in doing so.

What do y'all think about this? I've been surprised it has not been brought up.

Im not sure RL has ever really picked up on the outrage most people feel about these crimes. . He seemed ticked off by the murders on his property from the get go and he's probably plenty annoyed by his compulsory "time out" . Missing his home his farm, the reverse mortgage thats probably on his mind, he may well just be grateful to be home. (If that's where he is).. Just personally I don't think there's any other factors he's considering about safety etc at this time ..Not saying he's bad ..hes just old and maybe a little bit ornery

 

[Boxer]

I'm surprised MP was allowed to drive through the search area....Why?

Can you explain to me where you see MP driving through the search area? What I see at
2:47 its a static graphic screen with a MP quote.

 

[M. Kay]

Also, there was the FBI raid of the RSO’s House in Lafayette that has never been resolved as part of any other current case. (That I know of)
30 FBI forensic agents descended on and processed the home. IMO that search felt connected to the Delphi girls case due to the sheer number of agents they put on it.

I don't remember this, and I've tried to keep up. Was this early on? And, can you provide any more information for us? <modsnip> Thanks

 

[gregjrichards]

I don't remember this, and I've tried to keep up. Was this early on? And, can you provide any more information for us? <modsnip> Thanks

Yes it was very early on we thought it was going to be a major breakthrough at the time sadly we were very disappointed.

 

[Jax49]

I'd forgotten that raid but it looks like it happened in September. We talked about it in thread 71.

ETA: Sorry but reply with quote isn't working.

 

[FrostedGlass]

The article has been updated and that comment removed. moo

Thanks.

Shortly after the article came out, I sent Call 6 an email to the attention of the reporters, requesting that they clarify if the comment about his "involvement" was taken from months ago or if the sheriff said it again that day. I have not yet heard back from the paper or reporters but I'm very glad to see they removed the comment.

IMO, that's just sloppy reporting. I wonder why they even included it.

 

[Jax49]

Thanks.

Shortly after the article came out, I sent Call 6 an email to the attention of the reporters, requesting that they clarify if the comment about his "involvement" was taken from months ago or if the sheriff said it again that day. I have not yet heard back from the paper or reporters but I'm very glad to see they removed the comment.

IMO, that's just sloppy reporting. I wonder why they even included it.

Thanks for doing that. Reporters being to lazy to write a new story...

I wonder if some of the comments about DN are out of date also.

moo

 

[kizzykat]

From this link:
"Logan is not facing any charges in connection with the girls’ disappearance or murders. The Carroll County sheriff said he is "still involved" with the investigation, but is not considered a suspect."

IF that's a current statement from the sheriff and not a MSM re-hash, then RL must know something, why else would he be considered still involved...

he owns the property.. that's his involvement

BBM
My post above from a couple days ago was in response to a new MSM article another member posted and in that article the quote from the sheriff sounded familiar, which is why I mentioned it possibly being a re-hash. Jax49 found and posted a link to a MSM article from April 2017 with that exact quote from the sheriff, so it was indeed regurgitated news. Sometime in the past couple days the Indy Channel has edited their article, removing that old quote. Using an 8 month old quote from LE has created confusion and is reckless journalism, IMHO, and if I could delete my post above relating to it, I would. I hope that helps clear it up.
http://amp.theindychannel.com/24590...ns-were-found-released-on-home-detention.html

 

[Ember123]

Im not sure RL has ever really picked up on the outrage most people feel about these crimes. . He seemed ticked off by the murders on his property from the get go and he's probably plenty annoyed by his compulsory "time out" . Missing his home his farm, the reverse mortgage thats probably on his mind, he may well just be grateful to be home. (If that's where he is).. Just personally I don't think there's any other factors he's considering about safety etc at this time ..Not saying he's bad ..hes just old and maybe a little bit ornery

I have long thought land owner a likely witness (though I could be wrong on that, of course) which is why I would think he might well have a particularly heightened sense of fear for his own safety- IF BG IS still at large, IF land owner saw BG, & IF BG KNOWS he was seen by land owner. ... Yes, a lot of IFs.


On the other hand, IF land owner IS a witness, & KNOWS BG (to some degree) he may feel certsin BG would not ever come after him (as in land owner knows BG is now incarcerated, is dead, or the two have some kind of relationship or knowledge of each other that causes land owner to feel safe to return to the scene).

If BG were still at large (IS HE? I do not know!) I for one would be afraid to return there for fear BG might see me as a known witness or a possible witness and might want to eliminate me. No? Interssted in others' thoughts on this.

Interesting to me whether he has actually returned home to crime scene address in actuality or not ... I am thinking it would be an indicator of sorts, a bone we could chew on here, if you will, to see if it indicates land owner's familiarity (or lack thereof) with BG's I.D.& location.

 

[kizzykat]

Thanks.

Shortly after the article came out, I sent Call 6 an email to the attention of the reporters, requesting that they clarify if the comment about his "involvement" was taken from months ago or if the sheriff said it again that day. I have not yet heard back from the paper or reporters but I'm very glad to see they removed the comment.

IMO, that's just sloppy reporting. I wonder why they even included it.

I didn't see this while I was typing my most recent post above. Thanks FrostedGlass, for calling that to their attention.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I have to say I am very surprised at the distinct lack of reporting of either RL release or DN transfer to Clear Creek. My thoughts are perhaps LE have asked media for radio silence ATM for their own reasons?
:cow:

 

[Shiressleuth]

I have long thought land owner a likely witness (though I could be wrong on that, of course) which is why I would think he might well have a particularly heightened sense of fear for his own safety- IF BG IS still at large, IF land owner saw BG, & IF BG KNOWS he was seen by land owner. ... Yes, a lot of IFs.


On the other hand, IF land owner IS a witness, & KNOWS BG (to some degree) he may feel certsin BG would not ever come after him (as in land owner knows BG is now incarcerated, is dead, or the two have some kind of relationship or knowledge of each other that causes land owner to feel safe to return to the scene).

If BG were still at large (IS HE? I do not know!) I for one would be afraid to return there for fear BG might see me as a known witness or a possible witness and might want to eliminate me. No? Interssted in others' thoughts on this.

Interesting to me whether he has actually returned home to crime scene address in actuality or not ... I am thinking it would be an indicator of sorts, a bone we could chew on here, if you will, to see if it indicates land owner's familiarity (or lack thereof) with BG's I.D.& location.

IMO he would return home and be happy there, whether or not he saw or could id BG. I think he would have already done that and reported it to LE if he had a tip. The reward would sure come in handy for him though. :cow:

 

[InMyOpinion999]

I have long thought land owner a likely witness (though I could be wrong on that, of course) which is why I would think he might well have a particularly heightened sense of fear for his own safety- IF BG IS still at large, IF land owner saw BG, & IF BG KNOWS he was seen by land owner. ... Yes, a lot of IFs.


On the other hand, IF land owner IS a witness, & KNOWS BG (to some degree) he may feel certsin BG would not ever come after him (as in land owner knows BG is now incarcerated, is dead, or the two have some kind of relationship or knowledge of each other that causes land owner to feel safe to return to the scene).

If BG were still at large (IS HE? I do not know!) I for one would be afraid to return there for fear BG might see me as a known witness or a possible witness and might want to eliminate me. No? Interssted in others' thoughts on this.

Interesting to me whether he has actually returned home to crime scene address in actuality or not ... I am thinking it would be an indicator of sorts, a bone we could chew on here, if you will, to see if it indicates land owner's familiarity (or lack thereof) with BG's I.D.& location.

Does anyone know of a link that states RL reported to LE a week or so prior to 2/13 that someone had broken into one of his outbuildings? I can't find the link but I know it exists.

 

[MistyWaters]

I have to say I am very surprised at the distinct lack of reporting of either RL release or DN transfer to Clear Creek. My thoughts are perhaps LE have asked media for radio silence ATM for their own reasons?
:cow:

When the search warrant was executed on RLs home place, it was breaking news because it was perceived an arrest in this case might be imminent. When DN was arrested in CO it was again breaking news because of speculation that he was a maniac murderer, responsible for all three murders. After each indecent, LE denied either was a prime suspect. Therefore the media has no reason to report on either of them any longer soap-opera style because that undermines the focus of LE who are still actively seeking tips from the public, asking for information that will lead to the arrest of BG.

JMO

 

[kizzykat]

Does anyone know of a link that states RL reported to LE a week or so prior to 2/13 that someone had broken into one of his outbuildings? I can't find the link but I know it exists.

I recall several calls to his place, but none close to the time of 2/13/17. They're listed in the Carroll County Comet police blotter. You have to use the search tool in the upper right corner, and if searching by name then wade through the results page. Hint: search by address, it eliminates a lot of other non-related stuff. I know there was a list of these calls posted a very long time ago in these threads.

This is from 2014:
April 26, 9:49 p.m. - Burglary, 5858W. 300N., Delphi. Ron Logan reported finding a person in his barn who was not authorized to be there. The unidentified person fled the barn prior to police arrival. The suspect was not located. Liggett investigated.
http://www.carrollcountycomet.com/news/2018-01-10/Public_Records/Police_Calls.html

 

[Shiressleuth]

When the search warrant was executed on RLs home place, it was breaking news because it was perceived an arrest in this case might be imminent. When DN was arrested in CO it was again breaking news because of speculation that he was a maniac murderer, responsible for all three murders. After each indecent, LE denied either was a prime suspect. Therefore the media has no reason to report on either of them any longer soap-opera style because that undermines the focus of LE who are still actively seeking tips from the public, asking for information that will lead to the arrest of BG.

JMO

I agree their arrests were indeed breaking news and jumped on by media. However, DN is still a current POI, one named out of many still not included or excluded as a suspect. As he is currently still in jail, and has the Indiana hold warrants, perhaps LE do have it covered.

 

[mtnlites]

When the search warrant was executed on RLs home place, it was breaking news because it was perceived an arrest in this case might be imminent. When DN was arrested in CO it was again breaking news because of speculation that he was a maniac murderer, responsible for all three murders. After each indecent, LE denied either was a prime suspect. Therefore the media has no reason to report on either of them any longer soap-opera style because that undermines the focus of LE who are still actively seeking tips from the public, asking for information that will lead to the arrest of BG.

JMO

I signed on to say the same and you beat me to it! It's interesting going from one site to another, reading about this case, because it's almost like being inside little tunnels where things get amplified. Topics (including discussions about people involved in the case) that are heavy handed on one website/forum rarely get mentioned on another. The RL news and updates is a good example. To some, the results of his case yesterday was breaking news; to others, it barely warranted a passing reference. DN is another good example. I rarely see any updates outside of WS.

 

[MistyWaters]

I agree their arrests were indeed breaking news and jumped on by media. However, DN is still a current POI, one named out of many still not included or excluded as a suspect. As he is currently still in jail, and has the Indiana hold warrants, perhaps LE do have it covered.

The warrants for DN are not related to Delphi. Of the hundreds of POIs that LE subsequently noted, it would probably require an entire news site to report their comings and goings. And for no real purpose other than curiosity.

 

[MistyWaters]

I signed on to say the same and you beat me to it! It's interesting going from one site to another, reading about this case, because it's almost like being inside little tunnels where things get amplified. Topics (including discussions about people involved in the case) that are heavy handed on one website/forum rarely get mentioned on another. The RL news and updates is a good example. To some, the results of his case yesterday was breaking news; to others, it barely warranted a passing reference. DN is another good example. I rarely see any updates outside of WS.

Ha, I beat you to the keyboard! Yes, aside from the intense focus here over DN, I think anyone else following the case through only the media would've written him off by now, considering the Dr Phil show and many other news reports consistently urging anyone with any information about the identity to contact LE. In the course of events, that's a good indication the investigation remains wide open and they are not preparing to file charges on a single POI who've they had under the scope for months, whether he's extradited to Indiana or not. JMO

 

[Shiressleuth]

The warrants for DN are not related to Delphi. Of the hundreds of POIs that LE subsequently noted, it would probably require an entire news site to report their comings and goings. And for no real purpose other than curiosity.

Neither were RL charges but that didn't stop MSM. DN is still a POI for Delphi and the warrants could be used to extradite if he is a serious contender. If they extradite, he is important, if they don't, he isn't imo - I think it's that simple really.