IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #82

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  • #621
I agree about the appearance of the BG sketch, the photo on the bridge and the sound of the voice. I work on the phone talking to people daily. I can gauge ages/ethnicity very accurately. The voice that LE offered up is of an older man, my guess is 40's to early 60's. I do wonder if there are at least 2 men involved. I live in a region of my state where there are several hunting clubs. People pay a lot of money to come in to hunt wild game that has been stocked. It is a grim reality for the animals - they are stocked in the club [the meadow and woods] for the purpose of hunting and killing. I have previously mentioned the dark web/dark net. [The underbelly of the internet that not everyone knows about]. The thought occurred to me that there are violent human predators out there who enjoy hunting and there may be a market for hunting humans that are offered up in a remote/secured area. I don't know if this angle is viable. It certainly is evil, twisted and sick but in light of what goes on with humans who prey on innocent children/adults, anything is possible. So there could be the one who arranges/procures and the hunter who arrives to stalk his prey. It could be a simple as the one who procures goes about stalking girls on social media and setting something up. There could even be more than 2 men involved. Lookouts could be used. It just seems there is more going on in this case than only one man [BG]. JMO.
I couldn't agree more. The internet fulfills a spectrum of greatness and unspeakable evil. The TOR Network has allowed criminals to go undetected.
Sick men with money can now have their evil fantasies come true. What better place to commit such a crime than somewhere with a small police force. We have to consider with technology, anything is possible. Even a smart little girl catching a video and voice of an insane maniac.
 
  • #622
rsbm

What about the long delays for trucks being loaded at IP? Has that been investigated. What do the drivers do when they have been delayed for hours at a time?

This is a good question, imo. Are there delays, for how long, what is the delivery schedule, and from where...?
 
  • #623
Locals - is there anything in the local news about the number of tips increasing since the press conference during the week? I hope and pray it wasn’t a waste of time.

Hi gregjrichards,

There was an article posted that said they had received 300 tips since the PC, iirc; I will look for the link.

Eta:

"Police said they have received 300 tips since Tuesday. Investigators have said they believe someone out there knows the suspect and they hope that person will have the strength to call police."

https://www.wthr.com/article/libby-...delphi-murder-investigators-prays-for-justice
 
  • #624
This is a good question, imo. Are there delays, for how long, what is the delivery schedule, and from where...?

IIRC, when we talked about the plant someone explained that the drivers need to stay close to their trucks because they have to be moved frequently.

My memory could be faulty, of course.
 
  • #625
LE seems so certain that BG can be identified by the sketch, photo, and voice. They keep saying they only need one piece of the puzzle to break the case open. They have even begged ('please, please, please trust us'). This makes me think that the person they are addressing for the tip might be afraid of BG and threfore unlikey to turn him in. Or perhaps BG is not from the Delphi area, and the person(s) who could recognize him simply have not seen the media coverage and are not aware of the case. Or perhaps they've got their man on their radar but just can't prove he was in Delphi that day...maybe he has a false alibi and they need a tipster to discount it.

I'd love to see where this case would be if there was less reliance on the sketch/photo/voice. Obviously it provides some amazing clues and direction but I'd love to see some good old fashioned criminal profiling. If we had more of this type of information, and maybe a little bit more information about motive (for example, were the girls assaulted, was this random or targeted etc...) the right tip might be provided. There has been so much emphasis by armchair sleuths on matching photos of criminals (such as DN) to the photos of BG, I feel like BG may have slipped away, especially if he doesn't really look much like the composite sketch--which is a strong possiblity given they are usually not identical and BG may have disguised or changed his appearance in the last year.
 
  • #626
This is a good question, imo. Are there delays, for how long, what is the delivery schedule, and from where...?

How far is it from IP to the High Bridge?
 
  • #627
From Feb 2017:

"Special Agent Greg Massa (FBI): "Just think if you had an interaction with an individual who inexplicably canceled an appointment that you had together. Or an individual called into work sick and canceled a social engagement. At the time, they gave what would have been a plausible explanation. 'My cell phone broke, or I had a flat tire on my car.' In retrospect, that excuse no longer holds water.""

Oral History: The Murders of Libby & Abby
https://www.theindychannel.com/long...he-murders-of-liberty-german-abigail-williams
 
  • #628
LE seems so certain that BG can be identified by the sketch, photo, and voice. They keep saying they only need one piece of the puzzle to break the case open. They have even begged ('please, please, please trust us'). This makes me think that the person they are addressing for the tip might be afraid of BG and threfore unlikey to turn him in. Or perhaps BG is not from the Delphi area, and the person(s) who could recognize him simply have not seen the media coverage and are not aware of the case. Or perhaps they've got their man on their radar but just can't prove he was in Delphi that day...maybe he has a false alibi and they need a tipster to discount it.

I'd love to see where this case would be if there was less reliance on the sketch/photo/voice. Obviously it provides some amazing clues and direction but I'd love to see some good old fashioned criminal profiling. If we had more of this type of information, and maybe a little bit more information about motive (for example, were the girls assaulted, was this random or targeted etc...) the right tip might be provided. There has been so much emphasis by armchair sleuths on matching photos of criminals (such as DN) to the photos of BG, I feel like BG may have slipped away, especially if he doesn't really look much like the composite sketch--which is a strong possiblity given they are usually not identical and BG may have disguised or changed his appearance in the last year.

I’m sure they are profiling behind the scenes, but you’re right, it would be beneficial to solving this case if we could be provided with a little pertinent info regarding something, anything to do with COD, or other offenses committed during the crime. IMO
 
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( Omg, just came across this old post by a poster named female and just choked on my coffee:

"I would love to support this and change my light to orange. Problem is around here a colored light on your porch or garage is a signal that you partake in the swinging community and I don't want those types of house calls.

I love the idea though. It's all about support and these families and the community need it."

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...Delphi-13-Feb-2017-19&p=13197437#post13197437 )
 
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IIRC, when we talked about the plant someone explained that the drivers need to stay close to their trucks because they have to be moved frequently.

My memory could be faulty, of course.

Some truck drivers bring along wives, gf’s, or just somebody to ride shotgun. Maybe if this was the case, they went for a walk while their partner stayed with the truck.
The more I think about it, while 2 miles isn’t a short walk, if this is a possible scenario, then maybe the shotgun partner is the person LE is appealing to? Just a thought.
 
  • #633
I've been looking at crimes that happened in the days after the murders, especially suspicious deaths. Is it possible that the only person who could positively ID BG is now dead as well? Were there any "accidental" deaths or murders a few days after the crime? It's another avenue to explore.
Yes, an accidental gun shot death ON the day that BG's voice was released. There IS one which occurred, that very day. Was written off as accidental but why? May not have been? It's possibly related somehow. I for one am SO concerned about keeping this thread alive IDK if it is okay to discuss this further. I've read a related obit from the death which did occur on day voice was released and was a gun accident or so we are lead to believe but ...maybe more to it than that, IDK. In any case I have found NO MSM link to the gun death (besides the obit) ... if someone else here has it, is it okay to post the news article? Getting confusing what's ok here, or not ok. An article about the gun death late Feb would be ok, am I right? If okay, anyone got it to share?
 
  • #634
I recommend watching this video from Mr. Hughes. It should answer the questions about the vehicle tracks:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ezAbZFHYWbc


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He mentions the old railroad tracks at the 23:33 mark. Is this what everyone is calling “vehicle track”? MOO


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Thanks, yes, I've watched GH's excellent videos on this case multiple times, including that one. It's not the abandoned railroad track and it's not the private drive. It's an unpaved path wide enough for a vehicle that runs underneath the bridge. I've watched hours of various videos taken in that area, from RTV6 news to random people walking or flying a drone. It shows up readily where it appears in video snippets from ground view. But it's not so easy to see from aerial view, such as in Google Earth. (That's where I hit a snag trying to map it.) At the SE end of the bridge the car path is parallel and very close to the private drive. Anyone who's walked around under the bridge would've seen it and that's what I'm asking mtnlites about. I've been trying to find out where that short path starts/leads/ends. I have an idea but can't be sure due to limitations of aerial views and snippets of ground views.
 
  • #635
I agree about the appearance of the BG sketch, the photo on the bridge and the sound of the voice. I work on the phone talking to people daily. I can gauge ages/ethnicity very accurately. The voice that LE offered up is of an older man, my guess is 40's to early 60's. I do wonder if there are at least 2 men involved. I live in a region of my state where there are several hunting clubs. People pay a lot of money to come in to hunt wild game that has been stocked. It is a grim reality for the animals - they are stocked in the club [the meadow and woods] for the purpose of hunting and killing. I have previously mentioned the dark web/dark net. [The underbelly of the internet that not everyone knows about]. The thought occurred to me that there are violent human predators out there who enjoy hunting and there may be a market for hunting humans that are offered up in a remote/secured area. I don't know if this angle is viable. It certainly is evil, twisted and sick but in light of what goes on with humans who prey on innocent children/adults, anything is possible. So there could be the one who arranges/procures and the hunter who arrives to stalk his prey. It could be a simple as the one who procures goes about stalking girls on social media and setting something up. There could even be more than 2 men involved. Lookouts could be used. It just seems there is more going on in this case than only one man [BG]. JMO.

As good as any other theory I have heard

KR
Reacher
 
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  • #637
Thanks, yes, I've watched GH's excellent videos on this case multiple times, including that one. It's not the abandoned railroad track and it's not the private drive. It's an unpaved path wide enough for a vehicle that runs underneath the bridge. I've watched hours of various videos taken in that area, from RTV6 news to random people walking or flying a drone. It shows up readily where it appears in video snippets from ground view. But it's not so easy to see from aerial view, such as in Google Earth. (That's where I hit a snag trying to map it.) At the SE end of the bridge the car path is parallel and very close to the private drive. Anyone who's walked around under the bridge would've seen it and that's what I'm asking mtnlites about. I've been trying to find out where that short path starts/leads/ends. I have an idea but can't be sure due to limitations of aerial views and snippets of ground views.

Thank you for the clear & concise explanation. I understand that it is a different path now.
So this is yet another possible entrance/exit BG might have taken?
Perhaps there is someone local that can find & photograph/video this particular path, if it has not been done specifically yet?



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  • #638
He mentions the old railroad tracks at the 23:33 mark. Is this what everyone is calling “vehicle track”? MOO


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No, that's not what I was talking about. During the search video there are what look to be vehicle tracks across a field, near the cemetery. Looks like it goes from the road to the tree line.

It wasn't a permanent path, but looked like fresh disturbance to the ground. It could have even been where someone walked, not a vehicle. So hard to tell but we've discussed it a couple of times now.

moo

https://youtu.be/HvhKS1eRIMM?t=292
 
  • #639
No, that's not what I was talking about. During the search video there are what look to be vehicle tracks across a field, near the cemetery. Looks like it goes from the road to the tree line.

It wasn't a permanent path, but looked like fresh disturbance to the ground. It could have even been where someone walked, not a vehicle. So hard to tell but we've discussed it a couple of times now.

moo

https://youtu.be/HvhKS1eRIMM?t=292

Thank you. I’ve seen this video & for whatever reason, completely missed those tracks!


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  • #640
Thank you. I’ve seen this video & for whatever reason, completely missed those tracks!


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I'd forgotten them until someone mentioned them yesterday. We talked about them very early on - when LE made it sound like there probably wasn't a vehicle involved.

I rewatched the creek search a bit yesterday - wonder what they were looking for and if they found it. Parts were surprisingly deep.

moo
 
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