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@BobSegallWTHR

13 Things To Know From The #Delphi Murders Trial Today - Oct 31


1. This afternoon the State rested its case against Richard Allen, but not before presenting its most powerful evidence. The jury got to hear more confessions — this time, in Allen’s own words and own voice.


2. To say these recorded confessions were damaging to Allen’s defense would be a gross understatement. Hearing a man saying over & over again that he killed two girls — making the incriminating statements to his wife & mother — is something the jury cannot un-hear.


3. Let me first show you some of the confessions so you understand the words Allen spoke, then we’ll discuss the tone & context — which are both very important. These images represent portions of 4 calls as I tried to create transcripts in real time as they played for jurors.
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4. Jailhouse call #1 was 4-3-23 between Allen & his wife, Kathy.Call #2 was 5-10-23 to Kathy.Call #3 was later that same day, also to his wife.Call #4 was from Allen to his mom, Janis.All were from the Westville prison. Allen & his family knew the calls were recorded.
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5. They were presented during testimony from Brian Harshman, the ISP “phone guy” who’s monitored all 700 calls Allen made while in prison. Harshman described Allen’s demeanor during the calls as “calm, subdued, solemn.” After hearing the calls, I agree with that characterization.

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6. While Allen was emotional in some of the 7 calls the jury heard today, he was mostly calm & matter-of-fact as he repeats multiple times “I did it.” When his mom insisted he couldn’t do something like that, he calmly responded “Mom, why would I tell you I did it if I didn’t?”


7. Kathy Allen cried in court as the phone recordings played for the jury. Janis Allen was not in court today; Richard’s mother has been recovering from a bad fall she suffered on her way to the courthouse Saturday morning. RA showed no real emotion as we heard the recordings.


8. Before the jury heard the calls, his attorneys accused the prosecutor of cherry picking calls that fail to give the jury the “whole picture.” Example: the State wanted to play 2 calls from 4-3-23 w confessions but hide a 3rd call from that day in which RA proclaimed innocence.


9. Citing the completeness doctrine, the defense asked Gull to make the State play all 3 jailhouse calls for the jury. She denied that, ruling that playing each call in its entirety was sufficient. The defense snuck in info from the 3rd call anyway over the State’s objections.
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10. Before Harshman left the witness stand, prosecutor Nick McLeland replayed the infamous “Down the Hill” video that Libby recorded on her phone before the murders & asked if he recognized the voice. Harshman looked at the defendant & said, it’s “the voice of Richard Allen.”
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11. The prosecutor also asked Harshman if he’s ever seen Allen be violent. He said yes, citing a recent video of RA shouting at guards & threatening them at the Cass Co jail. The State tried to play that video for jurors but the judge wouldn’t allow it after the defense objected.


12. Harshman also said he took special note of Allen’s statement to a prison doctor that he saw a van just before killing Abby & Libby. Harshman says he researched who the van belongs to & its location on the day of the crime fits the timeline—a fact only the killer would know.
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On days like this, I’m so grateful we have 13News legal analyst Katie Jackson-Lindsay to help explain all the legal maneuvering that took place in court. She provides amazing insights in tonight’s 13News #Delphi Debrief.
Check it out: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IOouYbYFiR0


14. And finally, the defense called its first 2 witnesses today: Carroll Co resident Cheyenne Mill & Delphi resident Teresa Liebert (pictured), who both described seeing other men near the bridge/gravel road the day of the murders. Going to sleep now to get ready for Day 13.

Yes, I know that’s not 13 things. Math has never been my strong suit.
 
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Posted: Nov 1, 2024 / 09:02 AM EST / Updated: Nov 1, 2024 / 09:06 AM EST



INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — Day 13 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen began Friday morning at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi.

 
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Posted 7:01 PM · Oct 31, 2024

@kithanleytv

#NEW: the defense called Cheyenne Mill as their first witness. Mill was walking the trails the day the girls went missing. Mill told jurors she arrived around 2:50 p.m. and talked to her bf on the phone at 3:12 p.m.


Pt. 2: Mill told jurors how she was walking near Freedom Bridge when she spotted an overweight man who didn’t say hi back. She later described this man as an “old man” who had a camera around his neck.

Pt.3: Mill walked to the Monon High Bridge and crossed the bridge. She took some photos around 3:50 p.m. During her time in the area, she told jurors she didn’t hear anything unusual and didn’t see anyone in the wooded area. She left a little after 4 p.m.


Pt.4: The next day she told police she had been in the area, after she heard about the girls. She met police at Indiana Beach and gave them her account. She said 6 mo. later the FBI contacted her and notified her that her phone was pinged as being at the high bridge on Feb. 13.


Pt.5: Mill began crying on the stand when she talked about how she’s experienced doxing from online vigilantes who follow the case. The second witness called was Theresa Liebert who lives near the murder scene and is a neighbor of Brad Weber.
 
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According to the State's 40th witness, Master Trooper Brian Harshman/ISP, the only detail contained in any of Allen's confessions that "only the killer would know" is the one time he mentioned to prison psychologist Dr. Monica Wala that a van spooked him into stopping his plan...

to SA Abby and Libby, and that's when they crossed the creek and he killed them. The witness says the van belongs to Brad Weber who lives at South end of the bridge, and he arrived home between 2:27-2:30 on 2/13/17. That's based off Weber clocking out of work @ Subaru plant...

in Lafayette at 2:02 pm, and needing 20-25 minutes to return home. Harshman testified his time estimate for the drive comes from multiple Waze searches. On Cross, Rozzi asked if Harshman was aware that Weber was a suspect at one point, the State objected and he did not answer.

Rozzi also asked "did you ever consider BW could be involved if you can place his van there at that time?" Harshman: "No." Per earlier testimony, Weber had a .40 cal gun in his car during that trip, and it was tested to compare to the cartridge found at the crime scene.

The testing in 2017 could not exclude Weber's gun. The Firearms Examiner testified for the state that if she were to do her analysis again - after discovering Allen's gun is a match - she could exclude it now. The defense has subpoenaed Weber, so we will be hearing more about him

The Defense also indicated in their cross of Weber yesterday that perhaps there's evidence or a statement from him saying he didn't go straight home. Libby's phone stopped moving at 2:32pm so for State timeline to work, Weber needs to have gone straight home, quickly.

Harshman also testified that after listening to 700 recorded prison calls with Allen, and then viewing Libby's video of BG, he was able to determine BG video is "the voice of Richard Allen." Direct testimony ended there.

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Dwenger confirms Allen was not severely mentally ill and “began to decompensate” until he was in the Westville Correctional Unit. She says he was first contacted about Allen in April of 2023. She says that’s when his core team was formed.

The first contact she describes was coming from Dr. Wala asking if Allen could have a meeting with his wife. Dwenger tells the jury that at that point Wala told her that Allen was faking it.

Dwenger tells the jury the team was called an MDT, a multi-disciplinary team. She explains that “gravely ill” means you aren’t able to take care of yourself.

She says it got to the point where it didn’t matter if he was “faking it,” and they needed to intervene.

Dwenger explains Haldol shots to the jury. She says it helps with psychosis symptoms and being “gravely ill” is a symptom of psychosis.
 
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@KaitlynReports

Phone call on November 14, 2022: Allen to his wifeThe phone call begins with Allen telling his wife Kathy that he’s sorry, but he just needs her to tell the investigators that he will tell them whatever they want. “Whatever they want me to say. I’ll tell them,” commented Allen on the recorded call.“I don’t want you to worry about me. All I do is worry about you,” said Allen. He then referenced wanting to kill himself.Allen could be heard crying during the call. His wife Kathy attempted to console him by saying, “You’re okay. You’re okay,” she said. They then tell each other how much they love each other.“I wish I could see you one more time. I’ll see you in the next life. I swear I will. You take care of the family for me,” Richard Allen told Kathy.


7:48 AM · Nov 1, 2024
 
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@KaitlynReports

Phone call on April 2, 2023: Allen to his motherHis mother said it was very good to hear from himAllen asked his mother how long she had been going to church, and he wanted to know church she was attending. He cried as she talked and expressed his happiness to hear her answers. Allen told his mother on that call that he found God and turned his life to Christ on March 21, 2023. He told his mother that he hasn’t slept much, but would eventually. He really wanted to reach his wife. He ended the call with, “Love you too mom. Bye.”


7:50 AM · Nov 1, 2024
 
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@KaitlynReports

Phone call on April 3, 2023:
Allen to his wife

The phone call starts with Richard Allen saying, “Hey. Are you there?”

“Yes babe,” said Kathy.

“I did it,” said Allen.

“What?” questioned Kathy.

“No, I did it. I killed Abby and Libby,” said Allen.

“No, you didn’t,” replied Kathy.

“Yes, I did,” said Allen.

“No, you didn’t. You’re not feeling well,” pushed Kathy.

“Why did you say that?”

“Because maybe, I think I did,” said Allen.

“No, you didn’t. They are messing with your mind,” replied Kathy.

“Don’t you ever say you did it.”

“I think I did,” said Allen.

“No. Why would you say that?” she questioned again.

“I think I did. I’ll say I did. I don’t know,” said Allen.

Kathy's response was, “Exactly. You don’t know. There is something wrong. They’re trying to get you to say you did.”

“I want to apologize to the families,” Richard Allen continued.

“Just don’t talk anymore, okay,” Kathy.

“I’m sorry,” said Allen.

“Don’t talk anymore. I’m hanging up,” said Kathy.

The call ended.


7:52 AM · Nov 1, 2024
 
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@KaitlynReports

There were other conversations where Richard Allen expressed he was losing his mind.

He said he wanted to kill himself and that he wanted Kathy to understand that he, “Did it” (referring to killing Abby & Libby.)

Kathy repeatedly told her husband he wasn’t well.

“I think I lost my mind… You should know I did it, babe” Allen replied.

Allen added that he did not understand what was going on.

Kathy replied, “Neither do I."


8:02 AM · Nov 1, 2024
 
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13 Things To Know From The #Delphi Murders Trial Today - Nov 1

1. Today was the first full day of testimony for the defense. They had a strong strategy to counter Thursday’s damaging jailhouse confessions played for the jury. But that strategy blew up in their face.


2. They called Max Baker to testify. He’s a defense team intern who compiled months of prison video obtained through discovery, including video of Richard Allen in & out of his cell—highlighting his treatment & mental decline. Could have been powerful, but the jury never saw it.

3. Prosecutor Nick McLeland objected to jurors seeing the IDOC videos bc the defense couldn’t verify the dates they were recorded. Judge Gull ruled the jury CAN see the videos at a later date—IF the defense can prove the videos are from the same time period of RA’s confessions.


4. The defense was still able to get the jury info suggesting Allen was mentally impaired at the time of his confessions. IDOC behavioral health director Dr. Deanna Dwenger testified RA was diagnosed with Serious Mental Illness & designated Gravely Disabled around that time.

5. She also said solitary confinement can be toxic for mental health & could have made RA worse. So while jurors didn’t get to see prison videos to help counteract the powerful audio statements, the defense did start planting seeds about RA’s mental health at time of confessions.


6. Before discussing the other witnesses, it’s important to mention what Gull ruled at the end of today’s testimony. She ruled (again) the defense CANNOT introduce evidence & witnesses related to their Odinism & alternate perpetrator theory—a big part of the defense strategy.


7. Former Delphi police chief Steve Mullin & former Carroll Co sheriff Tobe Leazenby also testified today. The defense blasted Mullin for erased suspect interviews early in the investigation & got Leazenby to acknowledge he originally thought there were multiple killers.


8. Local residents Brad Heath & David McCain told jurors what they saw the day Abby & Libby were killed. Baker said he saw a blue car that seemed out of place near the trail & McCain took photos on the Monon High Bridge the afternoon of the murders. Said he didn’t see Bridge Guy.


9. Chris Goote, a police officer who helped interview possible suspects right after the murders, said he didn’t recall anything from his interview with Brad Weber (now of interest to the defense). Even after being shown a report about his interview, he still recalled nothing.


10. Former Delphi fire chief Darrell Sterrett testified he helped search along the creek the night the girls went missing, but he & others didn’t see the bodies in the woods or the clothes recovered the next day from the creek. Were they just hard to see in the dark or not there?


11. Today’s testimony was punctuated by frequent objections, sidebars & delays. Don’t expect that to change. McLeland seems very willing to fight to prevent jurors from seeing evidence & testimony that he wants excluded. And some of today’s testimony was ripe for objection.


12. Jurors continue to be engaged & ask great questions. My favorite of the day was a question that led the DOC mental health expert to explain to jurors how to tell when an inmate has a real mental illness & when they are faking it—something these jurors will be asked to decide.


13. I’m getting comments asking why I didn’t mention X or why I left out Y & Z. It’s hard to include a day’s worth of testimony in 13 brief points. To see more, check out the 13News Delphi Debrief — Day 13 edition. We can fit in a lot in 48 minutes. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WrcXd3Ps7Rw

@BobSegallWTHR
 
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Threadreader by @MaxLewisTV, November 1, 2024


Delphi Murders Trial Day 13 Afternoon Highlights:

-After the video debacle in the morning, the defense called several witnesses when we got back from lunch
-First up was Brad Heath who is a retired exterminator
-He was doing a job at a building near the trails on Feb. 13, 2017

-The building is near the old CPS building where the prosecution says Richard Allen parked his car that day
-He arrived around to the building for the job at 1:46 PM and left around 2:06 pm
-He described seeing a dark blue, older car parked near the trails that day

-He said "it just looked out of place"
-He said he believed the car was from the late 80s or early 90s
-However, he could not say whether or not other vehicles were parked at the old CPS building that day

-Next up was David McCain who has walked the trails ever since he was a kid
-He says he believes he was on the trails sometime between 2 and 4 PM on the day of the murders
-He walked to the bridge and took some pictures before walking back

-He was interviewed by the FBI and gave over his SIM card but has never got it back
-He testified that he heard nothing unusual while on the bridge or the trails
-After him former fire chief Darrell Sterrett was up

-He was helping lead searches in the area of the bridge the day the girls went missing
-Sterrett had a lot of trouble remembering almost anything and had to reference his deposition several times
-He testified that nobody out there that night saw any clothes in the creek

-He also said he could hear people searching on the north side of the creek which is where the girls were found
-I believe this is an insinuation by the defense that the girls were taken away and then brought back otherwise they would've been found

-Next up was Steve Mullin who is the former Delphi Police Chief and now is the prosecution's investigator
-His testimony started off with defense attorney Andrew Baldwin asking him about missing interviews from early on in the investigation

-Mullin admitted that dozens and dozens of interviews were lost forever due to a DVR issue
-Every interview from February 14, 2017 to March 21, 2017 was lost
-Mullin also said interviews from April 28, 2017 to June 2, 2017 were lost as well

-They were able to recover the video of those interviews but not the audio
-I noticed a couple jurors shaking their heads when this came up
-Baldwin then asked about Mullin's recent phone call with Brad Weber where Mullin says he asked to speak with him

-Mullin did not record that phone call and admitted that he should have
-Mullin was trying to talk with Weber about when he came home from work on the day of the murders and if he drove his fan
-Baldwin again brought up the fact that Weber has given conflicting statements
-Baldwin insinuated that Mullin may have given some information to Weber about the van and its ties to Richard Allen's confessions
-Baldwin also pointed out that Weber's Sig Sauer gun was never excluded by the state police lab as being connected to bullet found at the scene

-Baldwin then asked Mullin how many people he thought were involved in the murders of Abby and Libby
-Mullin said one
-Baldwin asked him how long he had thought that
-Mullin said since the arrest of Richard Allen

-Baldwin then asked about a trail camera that was apparently within a 100-200 yards of where the girls bodies were found
-Mullin says someone was seen on it on the 14th and possibly the 13th

-Baldwin then points Mullin to his deposition where he said someone was seen on the camera on the day the girls went missing
-During cross, Mullin said he confirmed Weber drove his van home through phone records but there was no explanation of that

-Last up was former Sheriff Tobe Leazenby
-He was sheriff when the murders happened but is now the chief deputy
-He said he didn't have a major role in the investigation
-Baldwin asked him how many people he thought were involved in the murders
-Tobe said it was initially unknown

-Baldwin then asked how many he thought were involved after Allen's arrest
-Tobe said one
-Baldwin then reference Tobe's deposition in August of 2023
-In that deposition he said he believed multiple people were involved or at least two

-Baldwin asked if anyone else thought that as well
-Tobe said he didn't know
-Baldwin again referenced Tobe's deposition where he said the current sheriff and the chief investigator Tony Liggett thought that as well

-McLeland barely had any cross examination
-That wrapped up the day.
-Tomorrow, we expect to maybe see some of the videos the defense tried to play today
-ISP Superintendent Doug Carter may take the stand as well

Should be interesting! #DelphiTrial


 
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Former fire chief says he saw no clothes in creek during the initial search |Day 13I DELPHI DEBRIEF​


Nov 1, 2024
Bob Segall and Emily Longnecker examines how the defense used witnesses to describe Richard Allen's mental state during the 13th day of the Delphi trial.

Read more: https://www.wthr.com/article/news/cri...
 
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The defense shared two exhibits – camcorder video and a master sheet for the video. The master sheet included a “contains nudity” category for the video.

Gull admitted the videos, despite objection. The prosecution had to pull up chairs to watch the video. Richard Allen cannot see the videos.

The 10 videos were taken during April 2023. One of the videos, referred to as Video #7, was nearly 30 minutes long, but Rozzi sped it up, according to Russell.

While watching the videos, Russell noted that one of the jurors raised their brows and looked at Allen. Several jurors were taking notes. The juror with a background as a psychologist appeared “extremely interested.”

Allen looked down at a coffee mug at one point. Libby German’s family appeared “exasperated” while the videos played, while McLeland seemed exhausted.

Several jurors frowned during Video #7. One juror took notes, wrote something on his notepad, and showed it to the juror next to him. During Video #9, multiple jurors looked toward Allen.

The last video was 52 minutes long. Rozzi told the jury he would be advancing through certain parts.

Defense attorney Jennifer Auger appeared deeply concerned watching Video #10, Russell observed. At one point, Auger held her head in her hand, and covered her mouth during another. Eventually, she looked away.

Of the jurors, Russell said one of the alternate jurors wore a sour look, while the school counselor appeared shocked.

It wasn’t clear to the media and public what was in the videos as the TV faced away from them.

 
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