IN - Aliahna Maroney Lemmon, 9, Fort Wayne, 23 Dec 2011 - #2

[krimekat]

Nancy's BOMBSHELLING . . .

http://www.rentadrone.tv/hln-live-stream-feed/

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Nancy Grace covering the case on HLN now.

 

[believe09]

Well in this case the "dear family friend" was a convicted felon. So I fail to see the irony here. Is it a good idea to let a convicted felon to babysit your kiddies, whether he is a RSO or not?

Did anyone in her immediate family know he was a convicted felon? I think that this is a million dollar question.

 

[Patty G]

I have been away for a few hours-is Plumadore an SO and was the crime a sex crime?

There has been no information that Plumadore is a SO nor has the autopsy report revealed YET that she was raped/molested.

 

[Bittiness39]

NG just slammed Amber (grandma) for so vehemently defending Michael P on her show last night.
Playing her audio clip from last night...saying it was not Michael's fault. That Aliahna sleep walks...if someone took her it was that someone's fault and not Michael's. He need a chain latch up high on his door to his home but didn't have one. It is not his fault.

That was the clip from last night. Not tonite. This was before he was arrested. Just so people know that.

 

[tiredblondy]

Please share because my air card eats up time when listening online...thanks

 

[believe09]

Like Littlebittly said nope no detail...that's why I asked if anyone else thought her statement was contradictory? Paraphrasing she said she warned them about him because she said something didn't seem right about him but in the next breath she said she never thought he'd be capable of something like this.

We have a saying where I'm from that that's kinda like closing the stable door after the horse gets out? I would have been willing to bet my false teeth that someone was going to say something like that...:crazy: but thank the good Lord I don't have any false teeth :innocent:.

I am with you. No offense to Ms Hair, but this doesnt ring very true to me. Perhaps she wished she had said it aloud...it sounds a little hollywood to me like "I knew it was him...I could tell the way his eyes were set too close together..."

 

[melissasmom]

Yes, but grampa was an RSO. And he was the connection to her killer. Also, why was MP such a good friend to gramps? I stand by my statement that these perverts know how to ferret each other out. I think MP and grampa had a lot more in common than we know.

Also, the stats on RSOs are as a whole. That includes statutory rape cases, etc. From what I have researched, real child molesters never stop. They are prolific. They may not have a high "recidivism" rate because they aren't getting caught or severe restrictions are being placed on them that prevent them from re-offending. But my belief is that most of the time, they just aren't getting caught.

Look at some of the famous cases we are aware of. The pedophile priests, Sandusky, etc. They molest hundreds of kids and none of those kids say a word. Until finally, one kid breaks the silence. Children are not like other crime victims. They are easy to intimidate. Easy to silence. Just because these RSO aren't getting caught does not mean they aren't re-offending. Apparently there is always a neighbor or family member who is willing to entrust their vulnerable children to such a "nice" person.

Respectfully snipped by me for space

I really like your posts, Gitana1, they are very thoughtful. I completely agree about perverts just knowing how to find each other. That may be the case here, and MP was just never caught for this particular crime.

And I also wanted to add a comment about recidivism for child molesters. I too believe that the official numbers on molesters who reoffend is so low, is because they just get better at not getting caught. Because lets face it, there is no "cure" for pedophilia. If you are sexually attracted to children you always will be, no amount of counseling or behavioral therapy is going to change that. Whereas someone who committed the crime of burglary may realize it is not the way to go and never do it again, or a drug dealer might turn his life around and go straight.
These offenders just become slyer, and sneakier. The older they get the better they get at grooming a child. They can pick out the ones who they may feel are more apt to not tell anyone.
This is not to say that ALL sex offenders will do it again, but yeah I think most will. The ones who don't just stay at home and look at child on their computer. Makes me ill to say it so bluntly, but it's true.

 

[cluciano63]

Like I said earlier (maybe not so well :innocent is that perverts have a way of recognizing each other and associating together. Grampa was an RSO. My instinct is that he "recognized" something similar in MP.

Yes, neither grampa or any of the other charmers in that park murdered Aliahna, miraculously, IMO. But Aliahna was murdered by someone who was there because he was associating with that riff raff. Even if it wasn't because he and grampa had things in common, hiding out with RSOs who have limited choices as to who they can room with, may have seemed like a good option for the fugitive MP. Either way, I connect grampa's sex offender history with what happened to Aliahna.

Oh I am totally connecting grandpa to her death..just at this point, not connecting all of the other RSO's surrounding her

 

[krimekat]

Did anyone in her immediate family know he was a convicted felon? I think that this is a million dollar question.

$1M question is RIGHT because we found his records in NC, FL, IA (in above posts) & here's one from IN:

According to Allen County (Indiana) court records, Plumadore pled guilty to felony forgery in 2007 and had a felony count of auto theft dropped.

http://www.wane.com/dpp/news/crime/police-call-newser-on-missing-girl

 

[Hope32]

Respectfully, as a 26 year old mother of five, soon to be six, I see more kids facebook profiles coming from the kids in my family whose parents are in their thirties and forties, because those are the parents that want to give their kids all the stuff that they never had.

And you can say all you want about not allowing kids to use technology like that, but next year when my son enters first grade, the school will be providing him his own computer, as it's necessary for school curriculums nowadays. As with everything, rules, safeguards and supervision are required.

That said, Aliahna's parents allowed her to break the rules of both facebook and common sense, but it had no effect on the case, because she was not killed by a facebook predator, she was killed by someone that her mother and stepfather entrusted her to the care of.

I may have said that a little to harsh.. I agree a lot of 30 - 40 yos do let them by the 20 yo I meant that they IMO tend to be very lax in enforcement of any rules or such.. Then again I grew up w/a mom that most if my friends agreed that my mom was pretty strict herself..

Kids do need technology, it it needs to be watched carefully. We do need computers for school, etc. also, cell phones , etc are good for things as well but things need to watched more closely..

Sorry I didn't express myself correctly before as we do need technology and my kids will probably have a lot more than I did, but they will be rules and many of them (to keep them safe and make sure they have values that I find valuable and necessary to be raised)

 

[Kat]

I don't know for sure. But I would relish a law that says families with children cannot live in such pedophile playgrounds and landlords cannot rent o them.

Chris is right. I'm not sure having these buggers in one location is that helpful. many of them have cars. It's more about making life very difficult for them so that others do not want to follow their paths. It probably doesn't work - it probably doesn't deter one of these creatures. But I'm okay with having them as uncomfortable as possible, and in an easy location for police to go to, parole agents to visits, so they don't have to drive all over town. I just don't think families should be anywhere near them.

But let's be somewhat reasonable with these laws. A 20 year old who has sex with a 17 year old girlfriend is not the same as grampa molesting a little kid. Such a guy should not be subject to the same restrictions.

I found it. I was looking because it was suggested that the manager had allowed them to rent and I was curious about residency restrictions in Indiana for RSO's because I did know that there are more than a few states that do restrict rentals to RSO and such.

It took some digging, I wasn't using the correct search parameters.

http://www.llrx.com/features/sexoffenderresidency.htm

Indiana: State v. Pollard, No. 05A02-0707-CR-640 (Ind. Ct. App. May 13, 2008)
"For all of these reasons, we hold that Indiana Code section 35-42-4-11, otherwise known as the residency statute, is an ex post facto law as applied to a person in Pollard’s circumstances. The residency statute is a criminal statute that criminalizes residency because of the resident’s status as a sex offender. In addition, the statute’s effect is punitive because it is applied retroactively to sex offenders who established ownership and property rights in a residence prior to the effective date of the statute, and because it forces them to relinquish some or all of their ownership rights or face a felony charge. Perhaps most importantly, Indiana’s residency statute does not exempt ownership established prior to the statute, provide a constitutional taking procedure, or exempt ownership impacted by later construction of a protected facility or area."

Just bringing it here because I did have a question about residency issues and such.

IMHO (just about your last sentence in your post) I agree, there should be caveats to all state SO crimes whereby if the perp is within so many years of age of the victim (statutory rape is what I'm referring to) say for example: 5 years is the law in some states that it isn't required for the offender to register as a sex offender. KWIM? JMHO about that.

This is just a side issue right now, it is an issue that her GF was a sex offender and brought this man into his home...etc. But the other RSO's in that area aren't directly related to this case at this point in time IMHO.

 

[believe09]

NG just slammed Amber (grandma) for so vehemently defending Michael P on her show last night.
Playing her audio clip from last night...saying it was not Michael's fault. That Aliahna sleep walks...if someone took her it was that someone's fault and not Michael's. He need a chain latch up high on his door to his home but didn't have one. It is not his fault.

That was the clip from last night. Not tonite. This was before he was arrested. Just so people know that.

I dont think this is fair of NG. JMVHO, unless she has inside info that Grandma willfully put her granddaughter in harms way.

FWIW, I know there are articles indicating Grandma is defending him still...she has to be in complete shock. Look what she just learned about her grand daughter. Look at the manner in which this child died and by whose hands. Clearly LE didnt clue at least Grandma in on the investigation....I think she is trying to cling to sanity. I would be. And perhaps my fallback position would be that I dont believe he would ever hurt her.

 

[krimekat]

Allen County Sheriff Ken Fries on NG

 

[Patty G]

I am recording Nancy's show tonight and will upload it to my YouTube channel after the show. http://www.youtube.com/Sierra1947

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Has the perp "lawyered up" yet? I suppose he'll need a public defender and has or will have one appointed shortly if not already.

 

[Donjeta]

Did anyone in her immediate family know he was a convicted felon? I think that this is a million dollar question.

I don't know but it would be a good idea to try to find out about the person's background if he's invited to live with an ailing grandparent and babysit your most precious treasure.

 

[cluciano63]

The thing with Grandma and with MP...both were giving scenarios that put the little girl at fault, more or less...for "sleepwalking" for wandering, for sleeping in a chair, none of which, if even true, had anything to do with her horrible death...

 

[Chris_Texas]

I most always agree with your posts, they are well thought out and written. This time I have to disagree about the restrictions..

Jesse Timmendequas, who kidnapped,held captive and murdered Megan Kanka was a repeat offender. Megan was the third little girl he assaulted, tragically Megan died; with the other two girls, he was scared off because they fought him back. Timmendequas lived across the street from Megan's family, he bought a puppy to use as bait to get Megan alone and, after murdering her, he put her body in a toy chest and kept her in his rental house. btw, he lived there with two other offenders.

In the dark of night, he drove about a mile away from the house and placed Megan's body next to a soccer field in a municipal complex where many families would be for a soccer game. His crime, concerning Megan, was calculated; she didn't have a chance.

I have no problem with the restrictions, in fact I think a Devil's Island scenario would be fine. For anyone to be able to go online and see where all of the 'reporting' sex offenders live is a tool for parents to have available to them.

Offenders like Timmendequas, Couhey and now this accused person, who murder a child in the commission of their acts, should get the death penalty. They won't re-offend. At least Couhey isn't a burden on society, he is now dead. He got more than Jessica Lunsford did; he got more than he deserved.

Thanks. Great post. As always you give me something to think about and learn. On this topic my opinion is pretty well settled and I bet you would even agree with some of it.

I think we need to reevaluate how we classify, register and restrict these guys. Lifetime RSO status for a nineteen year old who had sex with his fifteen year old girlfriend seems a bit over the top, as does labeling as sex offenders middle school boys who peek up girls dresses or try to sneak a kiss (I have read news accounts of ridiculous crap like this), or the guy arrested for going to the bathroom outside. We have all seen stories like this, and uncommon or not (I have no idea) they diminish the value of these lists, thin the attention of law enforcement, place unnecessary and unreasonable restrictions on lower status RSOs, and all too often force RSOs into hiding -- which is exactly what we don't want.

Finally, there is again the very real question of how well they actually work. Obviously, they do sometimes, and this would be a very tricky question to answer as a crime prevented is (obviously) unreported.

However, an argument could certainly be made that these lists might provide a false sense of security to parents and serve to direct attention away from the very people MOST likely to harm their child -- that child's own family and friends. LE isn't fooled, they know where to look after the fact, but the ideal solution is to stop the crime before it occurs. That means educating the public that the greatest danger to any child is listed not in the RSO registry, but in the address book on the parent's phone.

Anyway, thanks again for your post.

 

[krimekat]

LE suspicious after hearing MP went out at 6a for a cigar . . . had to be careful & logical in the investigation.

MP provided consent initially to search the home & then LE received search warrants for the house & convenience store dumpster after they found Probable Cause for a more thorough search.