IN - Aliahna Maroney Lemmon, 9, Fort Wayne, 23 Dec 2011 - #5

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

Did Michael Plumadore have FB friends in Weston?On Aliayah Lunsford thread it was posted he did.Does anyone know?

Not that I have found. Although these two cases are VERY similar. I compared MP to LL ...and someone thought he had friends there!

 

[bam]

What is best investigative tool to do search on people tat give best reports?

 

[mysteriew]

I agree Mel. What could be the reason the mother of the 13 year old didn't go to police?

I am guessing that after it became known what he was doing the father probably kicked him out, and after the court case he may have stopped trying to contact the girl.

If he was leaving their girl alone, many parents would then hesitate to start an investigation.

When a child is approached by someone most parents are concerned about one thing. Their child. Many parents don't look ahead at the fact that if he would attempt with their child then he will attempt with other children.

So if they get the action stopped with their child and no harm was done, then they won't want to have their child go through the pain, embarrassment and trouble of an investigation.

 

[madge]

not.giving.mom.a.pass! Sorry folks. I checked out the lady I chose to do my pet sitting while my husband was in the hospital for 42 days. This woman chose to move her kids in a snakepit. She had options and it seems she NEVER took care of good ole dad herself anyway. I' venture to say she was running from something shady IMHO.

I hope state does not return those children to her. She says she is very ill so she should be happy they are in foster care and NOT being in the care of someone that is a rapist.

 

[mysteriew]

JMO but there is a world of difference between letting your child out of your sight for a few minutes to go to the bathroom and letting your children live for days with a man hanging out with pedophiles in Pedo Park. There is a world of difference between trusting a doctor, a teacher or a minister and trusting a known associate of known child molesters.

Yes, we have to trust someone at some points of our lives but it does not follow that we should ever trust a transient felon who is known to have sexually harassed a 13 year old.

BBM

Devil's advocate here

Ahhh but did he really sexually harass the 13 year old? If the judge really thought that he had harassed the child wouldn't you think the judge would have taken some action? But the judge didn't so that puts it in the realm of he said/she said. I believe he harassed the child. But when the judge fails to take action on it, it decreases the believability of the accusation.

Also the girl was 13. There are various types of 13 year olds, but sometimes they are a mixture of acting like a naive 5 year old and a mature 19 year old. If she saw the 13 year old as being more like the 19 yo acting child, she may not have associated that child with her 9 year old or the 6 year olds. In many cases she may have "blamed the victim" and felt that the child egged him on. Legally it didn't matter what the kid did or if she "egged him on" and for many of us there is the belief that he shouldn't have taken advantage of the child no matter what. But in the outside word, many times that will be included in the judgement.

I don't agree with her decisions and choices in regards to her kids, and some maybe I don't think were very bright. But I know I am more leary of trusting strangers or even friends because of my association here and the things I have seen. But I am also aware that outside of this board, I see these same type of thought processes by otherwise good parents. Because they don't see so much bad stuff happening over and over in other cases they find it hard to believe that a trusted friend could harm one of their own.

 

[badhorsie]

On MP's FB page when it was still up, in his albums he had a lot of photos of a girl with darkish hair, in one she was playing a violin. She looked to be aged preteen or early teens. Does anyone know who this was. I don't means names obv. but I am wondering if this was the 13 yo???

 

[Donjeta]

BBM

Devil's advocate here

Ahhh but did he really sexually harass the 13 year old? If the judge really thought that he had harassed the child wouldn't you think the judge would have taken some action? But the judge didn't so that puts it in the realm of he said/she said. I believe he harassed the child. But when the judge fails to take action on it, it decreases the believability of the accusation.

Also the girl was 13. There are various types of 13 year olds, but sometimes they are a mixture of acting like a naive 5 year old and a mature 19 year old. If she saw the 13 year old as being more like the 19 yo acting child, she may not have associated that child with her 9 year old or the 6 year olds. In many cases she may have "blamed the victim" and felt that the child egged him on. Legally it didn't matter what the kid did or if she "egged him on" and for many of us there is the belief that he shouldn't have taken advantage of the child no matter what. But in the outside word, many times that will be included in the judgement.

I don't agree with her decisions and choices in regards to her kids, and some maybe I don't think were very bright. But I know I am more leary of trusting strangers or even friends because of my association here and the things I have seen. But I am also aware that outside of this board, I see these same type of thought processes by otherwise good parents. Because they don't see so much bad stuff happening over and over in other cases they find it hard to believe that a trusted friend could harm one of their own.

I think text messages and photos would be verifiable and not just he said she said.

It is quite possible that they blamed the victim, there was some apparent victim blaming even with Aliahna... she's got ADHD, she's got a conduct disorder, she sleepwalked...

JMO but even if it's just he said she said it's enough to keep the suspect from babysitting my children, ever. Better safe than sorry.

 

[CharlestonGal]

JMO but there is a world of difference between letting your child out of your sight for a few minutes to go to the bathroom and letting your children live for days with a man hanging out with pedophiles in Pedo Park. There is a world of difference between trusting a doctor, a teacher or a minister and trusting a known associate of known child molesters.

Yes, we have to trust someone at some points of our lives but it does not follow that we should ever trust a transient felon who is known to have sexually harassed a 13 year old.

I think text messages and photos would be verifiable and not just he said she said.

It is quite possible that they blamed the victim, there was some apparent victim blaming even with Aliahna... she's got ADHD, she's got a conduct disorder, she sleepwalked...

JMO but even if it's just he said she said it's enough to keep the suspect from babysitting my children, ever. Better safe than sorry.

My guess would be that mom didn't pursue it because the molester got the heck out of dodge and left town to pursue a new victim when the heat came down.

 

[tiff07]

This little girl was 9 years old. She wasn't capable of making judgement calls about people, or decisions about where she should live. She was incapable of protecting herself and she shouldn't have been expected to. It was up to an adult to ensure she was educated about people like MP, it was up to an adult to ensure she lived in a safe stable environment. RIP Aliahna, you are in a lot better place now. There's a different place for people like MP and various 'Uncles' of members of the board here who have been brave enough to share their pain. I only come here, read a blogger who has a site, aside from news, eBay etc on the net, no Facebook, other crime sites or anything. I love WS and wish we had something like this in Australia. I'm having an increasingly hard time reading any defense of anybody outside of Aliahna in this case, she to me is the only real victim, it's best I give myself a TO from any further comment so I will finish by saying I hope justice is served for Aliahna and that everybody affected by abuse on these boards has my utmost empathy and good wishes.

 

[TexasCharm]

I think text messages and photos would be verifiable and not just he said she said.
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I've thought about this. What if the images were deleted? I know they could retrieve texts, but can they retrieve images?

Seems there had to be a question of some kind in the judge's mind.

This whole situation is messed up. At the end of the day, MP is the bad guy - wrapped up with a seemingly dysfunctional (at best) group of people.

Was he just able to take advantage of these not-so-bright folks for all these years?

Are they all connected in some other nefarious way?

I can't help but wonder what day to day life was like for Aliahna and her siblings ... Or for her mom 20 years ago.

I can't help but wonder if Ali were not dead, and continued to live in this scum-infested environment until she was having children of her own - and one of her children became a victim of their environment - we would be screaming for Ali's head on a platter.

Quite the paradox.

This is bigger than "the mom" that we all want to slap around or hang. There is a segment of society that we don't want to believe are out there living like this every single day.

It didn't stop with our own abuse,
It doesn't stop with gpop Lemmon,
And it won't stop with Ali.

I feel so blessed, and inadequate every day.

What am I doing to make someone else's life better?
What more can I do?

Does hatred SOLVE anything??

Sorry for the long post .. Just thinking out loud.

And as usual ... All imo.

 

[mysteriew]

When someone, esp a child dies we want to blame someone. Anyone. And in this case there are so many to blame. But the truth is that Plumadore is the one who offered/arranged/agreed to babysit the kids and got access to them. It is Plumadore who killed Aliahna, it is Plumadore who dismembered her. There may have been bad judgement calls by others, but it is Plumadore who killed her. It is Plumadore who actually took the actions.

And it is Plumadore that I will blame.

 

[Ladylub]

A (sometimes not-so-subtle) theme permeating through this case's threads is anger at (somebody's) momma for not protecting (them). I submit that in doing so, we are diverting the blame from the perpetrator, which is in fact perpetrating grooming behavior. It's not "his" fault. It's "momma's" fault for not protecting "us." How about we get back to being pizzed at the person who cut this child into bits? And then we can figure out what the heck went wrong with a human being to bring him to this point?

I agree the main person to blame for Aliahna being killed is MP. No doubt about that. I want him to die a horrible death for killing Aliahna. But does mom hold some responsibility for not protecting her children? Yes she does in my opinion. Yes she may have had a hard life herself and if it is right about grandma that saw somewhere else then grandma had a hard life also. But Grandma is responsible for protecting TS and TS is responsible for protecting Aliahna. She knowing took her to a trailer park with known SOs she allowed her daughter to be near her father who is a known SO. She seemed to not care about who her children associated with.
TS may not have been given the mental support she needed to make a better life for her children and one that did not include her making poor decisions in who her children hung around. But where does it stop? We are not supposed to hold mom accountable for her poor choices in life b/c she had a hard life well what if it turns out MP had an even worst life then TS should he be partly excused for his crime b/c he was damaged at a young age also? Many of those who commit crimes are damaged at young ages by poor choices of their families but they should all still be held accountable for their choices.

I do not blame TS for Aliahna's murder but I do fault her for her poor decision making.

 

[concentric]

JMO but there is a world of difference between letting your child out of your sight for a few minutes to go to the bathroom and letting your children live for days with a man hanging out with pedophiles in Pedo Park. There is a world of difference between trusting a doctor, a teacher or a minister and trusting a known associate of known child molesters.

Yes, we have to trust someone at some points of our lives but it does not follow that we should ever trust a transient felon who is known to have sexually harassed a 13 year old.

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I agree with your post.

Just wanted to remind people, though, that Pedo Parks not only exist amongst those who live in trailer parks, or in poorer communities. They exist amongst the most moneyed and outwardly respected institutions in our society. Power and wealth have been used for decades to hide child molesters, who are as evil as Plumadore, if not more so.

 

[Donjeta]

Can a judge judging a civil case start the process of pressing criminal charges against one of the participants in the civil case? Isn't it a conflict of interest?

 

[Lori_TX]

Can a judge judging a civil case start the process of pressing criminal charges against one of the participants in the civil case? Isn't it a conflict of interest?

If you are referring to the situation with the 13 year old and Plumadore, I would be interested to know as well. I am pretty sure since the judge could not issue the order at the time, he told the mother to either get in touch with LE or a lawyer to start the correct process. I am also curious to know why that never happened. Maybe it is because he left town after that. He seems to have been pretty successful at evading authorities from all over for quite a while. MOO

 

[passionflower]

Last night while reading articles in paper it said 2 girls slept on floor, Ali in recliner (yuck)
and MP on sofa, they watched TV together...........what channels?
Disney or porn?
Also what did these dear children do all day?
Did they go out and play?
Visit friends or were they all captive to that livingroom in front of a TV?
Did he take them any where?
Did they have toys, play dolls..........
that is no life for them while mom is almost next door.
What man wants to have 3 little girls under foot day and night under the age of 9???

 

[mysteriew]

Can a judge judging a civil case start the process of pressing criminal charges against one of the participants in the civil case? Isn't it a conflict of interest?

Wouldn't the conflict have ended when he made the decision not to issue the restraining order? At that point there would have been nothing to sit judgement on.

And he wouldn't have been making a judgement on either side. He would have been making a referral to LE or CPS for investigation. And that I know judges can do.

 

[mysteriew]

Last night while reading articles in paper it said 2 girls slept on floor, Ali in recliner (yuck)
and MP on sofa, they watched TV together...........what channels?
Disney or porn?
Also what did these dear children do all day?
Did they go out and play?
Visit friends or were they all captive to that livingroom in front of a TV?
Did he take them any where?
Did they have toys, play dolls..........
that is no life for them while mom is almost next door.
What man wants to have 3 little girls under foot day and night under the age of 9???

Personally I get suspicious whenever a man offers to care for children. Esp. when a single never married man or a male teen offers to care for children. But I know that much of that is because of the time I spend here. I know that make me more suspicious.

But I also know that other people don't always see it that way. They see a nice guy who is offering to help them out. Or a guy who likes kids, it is too bad he never found someone to marry and have his own. Or a guy who treats their kids like his nieces and nephews. Or a teen who is a responsible caring person who likes their kids. And to be honest, I think (maybe) there may be some of those out there. Somewhere. But because of my time here I can't get past the ones who are looking for a way to get to kids.

 

[concentric]

What man wants to have 3 little girls under foot day and night under the age of 9???

Yep. Someone who has ulterior motives.

 

[katydid23]

Personally I get suspicious whenever a man offers to care for children. Esp. when a single never married man or a male teen offers to care for children. But I know that much of that is because of the time I spend here. I know that make me more suspicious.

But I also know that other people don't always see it that way. They see a nice guy who is offering to help them out. Or a guy who likes kids, it is too bad he never found someone to marry and have his own. Or a guy who treats their kids like his nieces and nephews. Or a teen who is a responsible caring person who likes their kids. And to be honest, I think (maybe) there may be some of those out there. Somewhere. But because of my time here I can't get past the ones who are looking for a way to get to kids.

And I think in this case both mom and grandma saw a 'caretaker.' They saw this guy as the one who took care of their dying father/ex-husband. And apparently the girls spent a lot of time in that trailer during that time. So maybe in their minds this was a safe place for them to be. imoo