IN - Aliahna Maroney Lemmon, 9, Fort Wayne, 23 Dec 2011 - #5

[FrayedKnot]

My son is turning 6 and he gets pretty mixed up too. Very possible IMO to get days confused.

I was thinking that, too. Two other things occurred to me, too;

Do we know for certain that the girls actually said they saw Ailie leave, or do we only have MP's statement to that "fact"?

Perhaps, as someone suggested a while back, they were given Benadryl or something even stronger to keep them sleeping or out of it while MP did his evil work and clean up.

 

[sherryk]

Ok so Mom possibly asked the father "if there were RSO in the trailor park" lets just say he did say no no no everyone here is safe and wouldnt touch a child...

OK with that being said.. hmmmm was the 19 year old who molested AL previous was not a RSO BEFORE he molested her... meaning that they are only RSO AFTER they are caught/prosecuted... therefore Mom should of had one ounce of common sence.. and thought.. hey this has happened before.. but no she practically served her little one on a plate to this guy.

Why did it matter if RSO in area..She allready had this happen to her with the 19 year old.. he wasnt a RSO UNTIL AL.. not before.

This woman due to the circumstances previous with her daughter, the father being a RSO, and letting her little ones stay with a man for a week IMO is no way to be forgiven.. this is beyond bad parenting.

 

[FrayedKnot]

This post speaks volumes and I wanted to thank you for it, Myte.

Your "magic wand" about smacked me in the head. I know someone exactly that would fit this profile. Abandoned by mom at age 3 and left in a house alone with almost as young brothers and as far as she can recall without turning into a basket case a dead infant. Sexual abuse by biological dad and yeah even that young she remembers. It comes in sort of streams.

Sent to an orphanage. Seperated from her brothers. Never got adopted, but sure enoug spend time enough foster homes. One being where she was sexually abused daily.

When I look at her I see a 3 year old sometimes. Certainly she had a wand waved over her as she trusted not a soul with her girls. She's an all around mom's mom. A phenomenal mother and more given the fact the only one she knew abandoned her. Her girls are her life, and people know this.

Hmmmmm what people don't know is she has a son. A son who was sexually abused by her current husband as a kid. To her he's a liar. Never happened. She knows my journey so she knows how I feel about this, but sticks to her guns. It saddens me, but this is when I see that strong, nobody will ever hurt my girls or grandgirls, I'm nurturer personified turn into the 3 year old. If that makes sense?

Do I believe her son? 100%. Does she? I think she does. He never touched her girls. If she were to say she did believe him I somehow think she'll finally do herself in.

Again thank you for that reality.

Please please please call the police of CPS today! I am sorry for your friend, but if she still has children in that home and she refuses to help her son then you HAVE to.

Please call ASAP. This man belongs in prison.

 

[Sparklin]

To a great extent I will agree with you. But in this case somehow the previous molester got prosecuted. I don't know how it came to the attention of authorities, but it did. And if Mom didn't cooperate in that prosecution then likely she wouldn't have kepr custody of the kids. And she did keep them.
So at least one point she did stand up for her child.

So at this point I think it is a little early to assume that Mom was involved or was ignoring a bad situation. The father said he knew the guy and he thought the guy was ok. So maybe neither of the parents knew about the 13 year old or maybe they were told some story about a vindictive ex wife or something. None of the family seems to have believed this guy would have harmed any of the kids. Somehow I believe that.

bbm - That was my initial thought too. However, when 'investigating' further, and discovering the friendships, interaction, relationships and interchange (for lack of a better word) of 'partners'...it seems highly unlikely that they weren't aware of it. This 13 year old was the niece of Ali's godmother...who still has/had a pic of 'good friend Mike' on her fb. Even ONE of he previous abusers of Ali was still on friends list of bio dad!! Granted, his MS did not seem to have been accessed since 2009 but his facebook has KK as 'friend'...

The number of children that were exposed to MP and KK is heart stopping. 'Good friend' 'Step dad' 'Trusted Uncle'...ugh! I hope all those mommys are having discussions with their little ones!

 

[Dr.Fessel]

From what I understand, the mother of the 13 year old didn't file a criminal complaint against MP - only a civil request for a protection order. I haven't seen any evidence that the mother followed up with the police/or made a report.

MOO

Mel

Plumadore was accused of sexually harassing Iowa girl
13-year-old's mom asked for protective order; request was dismissed

In Appanoose County, Plumadore didn't face criminal charges, and the woman's petition on behalf of her daughter was the only complaint on record, according to the clerk's office. A judge told the woman she should take her complaints to police or an attorney, according to court documents.

Source: http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111231/NEWS/111239935

You know you would think a judge would be a mandatory reporter.

 

[passionflower]

Have we heard any thing FROM Al's stepdad that she lived with?
Has he said anything about this murder at all?
Was he at the vigil?
Did he pack up her belongings?
What was the marriage like?
Was it hm that convinced mom to get the kids ot of
the house so he could sleep?

 

[concentric]

And I think in this case both mom and grandma saw a 'caretaker.' They saw this guy as the one who took care of their dying father/ex-husband. And apparently the girls spent a lot of time in that trailer during that time. So maybe in their minds this was a safe place for them to be. imoo

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JMO: I think the perp. thought the mother and grandma were stupid and easily manipulated, so he could get to the child.

And, I hate to say this, and it makes his depravity even more so, I think he targeted this child because of what he learned:

He thought she would be weak-willed, in other words, because she had PTSD from being previously sexually abused, because she had some visual, hearing impairments, because there was poverty and lax parental supervision, etc.

 

[tlcya]

I was thinking that, too. Two other things occurred to me, too;

Do we know for certain that the girls actually said they saw Ailie leave, or do we only have MP's statement to that "fact"?

Perhaps, as someone suggested a while back, they were given Benadryl or something even stronger to keep them sleeping or out of it while MP did his evil work and clean up.

My question is how did this dismemberment happen without being witnesses by sisters. Your post supplies a possible answer. I wonder where exactly the deed was done. I assume somewhere in that trailer, hence its removal in entirety.

I can't get past the image of Ali' sisters in the living room watching cartoons having been told by uncle Mike not to disturb him in the back bedroom. Shudder. Sheer imagination on my part but I can't shake it. :sick:

 

[concentric]

My question is how did this dismemberment happen without being witnesses by sisters. Your post supplies a possible answer. I wonder where exactly the deed was done. I assume somewhere in that trailer, hence its removal in entirety.

I can't get past the image of Ali' sisters in the living room watching cartoons having been told by uncle Mike not to disturb him in the back bedroom. Shudder. Sheer imagination on my part but I can't shake it. :sick:

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When, in the timeline, did he go to the convenience store? I thought eariler, before, we knew of the body parts in the freezer, that perhaps he lured her into his vehicle to go to the convenience store, and strangled her in the vehicle?

 

[passionflower]

My question is how did this dismemberment happen without being witnesses by sisters. Your post supplies a possible answer. I wonder where exactly the deed was done. I assume somewhere in that trailer, hence its removal in entirety.

I can't get past the image of Ali' sisters in the living room watching cartoons having been told by uncle Mike not to disturb him in the back bedroom. Shudder. Sheer imagination on my part but I can't shake it. :sick:

Yes, those 2 little darlings, what happened to them? What did they endure?
What did they see, hear or were bullied?
This creep MP has a temper, what kind of abuse (even verbal) did they take?
Of course the family 'idolized MP' so the children could say nothing and had no support from so called family.
These 2 little gils are all alone, look at the family enviroment.

also, poor? Well step dad works.......mom quit a good job in PA to move.
Look at the tats in pix..........money in them.
They chose to live in a poor trailer park, but are they poor?
Mom has internet etc.
When I was single, and poor. I did without 'luxuries' in order to provide my children with a decent clean place to live. JMOO

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.dhs.state.ia.us/policyanalysis/PolicyManualPages/Manual_Documents/Master/comm164.pdf

The link contains the list of people who are mandatory reporters of child abuse in Iowa.

 

[katydid23]

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When, in the timeline, did he go to the convenience store? I thought eariler, before, we knew of the body parts in the freezer, that perhaps he lured her into his vehicle to go to the convenience store, and strangled her in the vehicle?

From what I understand, there were body parts found in the dumpster at the mini-mart. At least I think that is what they found. Is that right?

If so, she was long gone when he went to buy his celebratory cigar.

 

[NFYIAMY]

I don't see how he was able to do all of this in the trailer and clean up so meticulously that LE wasn't able to notice ANYTHING when they were in that trailer?

>>warning - graphic stuff written below<<

Cringing as I write this but:

Even if he froze her for 24 hours - as she was out in the temperature of the house she would have begun to thaw. It's not easy cutting up the bones of a frozen chicken - it takes TIME and will begin to thaw - so by the time you're nearing the end you are getting fluids ---it's a bit messy. I can't imagine the mess from this. Hacksaw?

I just can't imagine there not being signs of what he did????????

>>my stomach is totally turned from just typing this<<

:insert crying icon here:

 

[FrayedKnot]

BBM

Devil's advocate here

Ahhh but did he really sexually harass the 13 year old? If the judge really thought that he had harassed the child wouldn't you think the judge would have taken some action? But the judge didn't so that puts it in the realm of he said/she said. I believe he harassed the child. But when the judge fails to take action on it, it decreases the believability of the accusation.

Also the girl was 13. There are various types of 13 year olds, but sometimes they are a mixture of acting like a naive 5 year old and a mature 19 year old. If she saw the 13 year old as being more like the 19 yo acting child, she may not have associated that child with her 9 year old or the 6 year olds. In many cases she may have "blamed the victim" and felt that the child egged him on. Legally it didn't matter what the kid did or if she "egged him on" and for many of us there is the belief that he shouldn't have taken advantage of the child no matter what. But in the outside word, many times that will be included in the judgement.

I don't agree with her decisions and choices in regards to her kids, and some maybe I don't think were very bright. But I know I am more leary of trusting strangers or even friends because of my association here and the things I have seen. But I am also aware that outside of this board, I see these same type of thought processes by otherwise good parents. Because they don't see so much bad stuff happening over and over in other cases they find it hard to believe that a trusted friend could harm one of their own.

I'm sorry, but the idea that this 13 year old CHILD may have egged MP on by being sexually provocative and perhaps had it coming is absolute rubbish.

I don't care how mature she appeared, she was effin 13!!!!!

That's taking "blaming the victim" to a whole new level.

ETA: I meant this in terms of what you hypothesized about TS's possible mindset. I know YOU weren't blaming the child!

 

[passionflower]

My question is how did this dismemberment happen without being witnesses by sisters. Your post supplies a possible answer. I wonder where exactly the deed was done. I assume somewhere in that trailer, hence its removal in entirety.

I can't get past the image of Ali' sisters in the living room watching cartoons having been told by uncle Mike not to disturb him in the back bedroom. Shudder. Sheer imagination on my part but I can't shake it. :sick:

yes and I think I and that he first froze Ali before dismemberment.
How long was she in the freezer? A refridg freezer or another freezer?
Then took her out. I am thinking of time frame.
I also wonder if the cigar run is when he took her to the dumpster???
He left those 2 little ones alone more than is being said.
IMO, he doped them up or they were scard to death of him.
After cigar, he went to bed??? (sofa??)
How long did sisters sleep in?

 

[mysteriew]

bbm - That was my initial thought too. However, when 'investigating' further, and discovering the friendships, interaction, relationships and interchange (for lack of a better word) of 'partners'...it seems highly unlikely that they weren't aware of it. This 13 year old was the niece of Ali's godmother...who still has/had a pic of 'good friend Mike' on her fb. Even ONE of he previous abusers of Ali was still on friends list of bio dad!! Granted, his MS did not seem to have been accessed since 2009 but his facebook has KK as 'friend'...

The number of children that were exposed to MP and KK is heart stopping. 'Good friend' 'Step dad' 'Trusted Uncle'...ugh! I hope all those mommys are having discussions with their little ones!

I don't have a facebook but was just wondering. Does everyone on FB have regular heart to heart talks with everyone else about what is going on in their lives? The impression I get is that FB is somewhat like life. Where some 'friends' are close with regular contact, with behind the scenes talks. And some 'friends' are more like aquaintances, where you approve their friend requests and maybe you email them or comment on them a little, or maybe you don't.

By which I mean just because they are friends on FB doesn't mean they actually know what is going on in each other's daily lives. Or that they discuss sensitive issues like a predator turning his attention to their child. Or even if they do discuss it, that they might not have alternate opinions on the fact. This is going to PO people, but some people do still blame the victims because of the way the kid dresses or acts, trying to be older. And if they knew that the mother took it to court, with the judge dismissing it with no action, that kinda takes away from theappearance of the legitimacy of the mother's claim too.

So at this point I don't see enough proof of what was in Aliahna's mother's mind. If she knew, if she knew and didn't believe or if she actually didn't know. The info just isn't there.

 

[mysteriew]

I'm sorry, but the idea that this 13 year old CHILD may have egged MP on by being sexually provocative and perhaps had it coming is absolute rubbish.

I don't care how mature she appeared, she was effin 13!!!!!

That's taking "blaming the victim" to a whole new level.

I'm not saying I believe it. But I am saying that a lot of people do believe it. A lot. Sometimes the parents will be blamed when teens are like that. But sometimes the kids will be.

 

[NFYIAMY]

Yes, those 2 little darlings, what happened to them? What did they endure?
What did they see, hear or were bullied?
This creep MP has a temper, what kind of abuse (even verbal) did they take?
Of course the family 'idolized MP' so the children could say nothing and had no support from so called family.
These 2 little gils are all alone, look at the family enviroment.

also, poor? Well step dad works.......mom quit a good job in PA to move.
Look at the tats in pix..........money in them.
They chose to live in a poor trailer park, but are they poor?
Mom has internet etc.
When I was single, and poor. I did without 'luxuries' in order to provide my children with a decent clean place to live. JMOO

You can look up military retirement calculators online and read more here:

I did a quick 'guessing' with the calculator (based on the info dh and I were able to get from the pics on MS) - and he was probably receiving at least $1500 a month in AF retirement pay.

 

[mysteriew]

I don't see how he was able to do all of this in the trailer and clean up so meticulously that LE wasn't able to notice ANYTHING when they were in that trailer?

>>warning - graphic stuff written below<<

Cringing as I write this but:

Even if he froze her for 24 hours - as she was out in the temperature of the house she would have begun to thaw. It's not easy cutting up the bones of a frozen chicken - it takes TIME and will begin to thaw - so by the time you're nearing the end you are getting fluids ---it's a bit messy. I can't imagine the mess from this. Hacksaw?

I just can't imagine there not being signs of what he did????????

>>my stomach is totally turned from just typing this<<

:insert crying icon here:

Judging from other cases, dismemberment is usually done in the bathtub. And the bathroom usually has solid surfaces which are easier to clean.

 

[MBK]

Has anyone read that Aliahna was on any medications, such as an anti-depressant, for her PTSD? In connection with that, have you read anything about her seeing a therapist or doctor for this or her other conditions?

Do I remember reading that she had ADHD, or am I imagining things?