IN - Aliahna Maroney Lemmon, 9, Fort Wayne, 23 Dec 2011 - #5

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  • #101
I wonder if any of them worked at/lived near Fort Bragg, NC? Does anyone know? And if so, would it have been around 2005?
 
  • #102
Really? The 13 year old was the daughter of a woman the Plumadore was living with. There were no custody issues. MP was not the father but just a live-in boyfriend of the mother.

IIRC Plumadore was living with the father of the 13 year old. He had never lived with the mother and that is why they couldn't give a restraining order to the child. In Iowa the restraining orders are connected to the domestic violence laws and the couple needed to have resided together at some point.
 
  • #103
Was TS groomed by someone and a victim? I'm sorry that I didn't realize that.
Sad but maybe not strange that she moved away then and was drawn back.

Did taking care of her father fall to her because her siblings would have nothing to do with him, or did they also help?

Did her bro move to Fort Wayne after she did or before? If before, why did he not care for his sick dad? And how does MP fit in since it was also reported that he had moved in with JL to care for him.

Article Link

Obit that mentions siblings.
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/fortwayne/obituary.aspx?n=james-e-lemmon&pid=154914940
 
  • #104
Very interesting.

So he says all of them were sleeping in the living room. Why would he make a point of saying that he wouldn't sleep in the same bed as kids who weren't his?

He says that Ali was up at 2-2:30 am and wanting her mother. Ok I can actually see this happening. But he has supposedly had the kids for a week. But she suddenly in the middle of the night wants her Mommy? What suddenly made her homesick? What suddenly made her want her Mommy?

He says nothing about what was happening for the next 4 hours. But he allegedly was up all night. At 6 am, he is headed for the store for a cigar? Was that a post coital smoke?

I was trying to think of the reactions/responses of a 9 year old girl. This wouldn't be your typical 9 year old in some ways. Previously molested, with the perp now in jail. So she knew about the justice system, she knew if she complained that he could be arrested. I'm thinking at some point she may have told him she would tell, and that he would go to jail.

She was allegedly killed outside on the steps. Did he tell her she could go home in order to get her outside and keep from waking the 6 year olds? Did he drag her out there? Or did she attempt to run away from him? If so why didn't she try to run while he was at the store? Or was she still really alive by that time?

Perps often give little bits of truths in telling their 'revised' stories. They hope that will help them to remember the details of what they tell, by keeping it as true as possible and only changing incriminating details.

The most interesting thing to me was that it was his idea to tell the 'perp' to send a letter telling what happened or where she was. I think if he hadn't been arrested, hadn't been found out he might actually have done that. Might have later sent a letter, though it is hard to say what he would have written to them.

I think she was gone long before he went to the market. I think they may have found some of her remains in the dumpster there. So imo, she was killed earlier in the evening. I think she may have been trying to protect her little sisters. She may have put up a fuss when she saw him doing something and then said she was going to go home and tell on him. He may have followed her outside and restrained her but i wonder how much her sisters saw.
 
  • #105
According to one article, MP said Aliahna was having nightmares, woke at 2:30 and wanted her mom.

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http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20111231/LOCAL/111239903

Plumadore said he had stayed up all night because Aliahna had been having nightmares. At one point, she told him she missed her mother and wanted to leave. "But I said, 'Honey, you know, it's 2, 2:30 in the morning. We'll get with Mommy in the morning,' " he said.
 
  • #106
There's the thing...we look at little girls and get so angry when we see that they've been groomed. But when those groomed little girls grow up and have absolutely no concept of what is right and wrong...we condemn them? At what moment does the magic wand get waved over these "groomed little girls" that turns them into mothers who have any sense about how to protect their own? And no, it is not necessarily waved when we groomed little girls become mothers. And yes, I said we.

Unless and until someone presents proof that this mother...whose father was a RSO...whose mother herself is obviously easily snookered...offered up her daughter...unless and until someone can show me that this mother at some point got that this person who obviously knows what to say and when to say it to sway people his way...and turned her daughter over anyway...unless and until someone can show me that this mother does not have bona fide medical issues that added to the eddy of incidents that led to this horrible, deplorable conclusion...then I absolutely refuse to condemn this woman.

Respectfully, it isn't a magic wand, but what is commonly called the "age of reason". It is why voting, driving licenses, marriage, etc. are not permitted legally until an individual reaches a certain age.

The assumption being that by the time an individual reaches that particular age, they are capable of making informed decisions and bearing responsibility for those decisions.

We have posters on this forum who have been victims of the worst kinds of abuse. The difference between them and a horror of a mother like TS (assuming she even WAS a victim of abuse), is that at some point they STOPPED being victims. They became SURVIVORS.

These people broke the cycles into which they were born. They became loving, caring and VIGILANT parents, and by virtue of their even being active in this forum, advocates for these children who HAVE no voice.

Regardless of what we have endured as children, when we become adults, we are responsible for the choices we make and when it comes to making choices for our children, we should be held to an even HIGHER standard.

I am not one of these survivors, but I do think I have a good understanding of how hard it is to rise above your upbringing and make decent, responsible life choices.

If we keep lowering the bar and excusing horrific neglect and abuse based on the perps (or complicit parents') own childhoods, then we effectively enable and excuse the continuation of the cycle.

I can only give as an example what I tell my ADHD daughter; "ADHD may be the REASON you want to act a certain way, but it isn't an EXCUSE". Yes, she has to work a little harder than most kids to exercise self control, but there it is.

I am still catching up on the excellent sleuthing over the last day. I had to take a break, as I was getting way too angry, upset and depressed by this whole stinking cesspool of a case. But you guys rock! Awesome finds and developments!

Happy New Year!
 
  • #107
Very interesting.

So he says all of them were sleeping in the living room. Why would he make a point of saying that he wouldn't sleep in the same bed as kids who weren't his?

He says that Ali was up at 2-2:30 am and wanting her mother. Ok I can actually see this happening. But he has supposedly had the kids for a week. But she suddenly in the middle of the night wants her Mommy? What suddenly made her homesick? What suddenly made her want her Mommy?

He says nothing about what was happening for the next 4 hours. But he allegedly was up all night. At 6 am, he is headed for the store for a cigar? Was that a post coital smoke?

I was trying to think of the reactions/responses of a 9 year old girl. This wouldn't be your typical 9 year old in some ways. Previously molested, with the perp now in jail. So she knew about the justice system, she knew if she complained that he could be arrested. I'm thinking at some point she may have told him she would tell, and that he would go to jail.

She was allegedly killed outside on the steps. Did he tell her she could go home in order to get her outside and keep from waking the 6 year olds? Did he drag her out there? Or did she attempt to run away from him? If so why didn't she try to run while he was at the store? Or was she still really alive by that time?

Perps often give little bits of truths in telling their 'revised' stories. They hope that will help them to remember the details of what they tell, by keeping it as true as possible and only changing incriminating details.

The most interesting thing to me was that it was his idea to tell the 'perp' to send a letter telling what happened or where she was. I think if he hadn't been arrested, hadn't been found out he might actually have done that. Might have later sent a letter, though it is hard to say what he would have written to them.

...and mommy was at home on the computer!
 
  • #108
Oh ... so it has not been verified that mom was groomed, was a victim, etc.
 
  • #109
According to one article, MP said Aliahna was having nightmares, woke at 2:30 and wanted her mom.

eta link

http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20111231/LOCAL/111239903

Plumadore said he had stayed up all night because Aliahna had been having nightmares. At one point, she told him she missed her mother and wanted to leave. "But I said, 'Honey, you know, it's 2, 2:30 in the morning. We'll get with Mommy in the morning,' " he said.

At that time she was already dead and in the freezer. In the police affidavit, she was killed early hours on Thursday. So she would not be asking for her mother at 2:30 am on Friday.
 
  • #110
I have come up with one horrific scenario after another in my mind, but I can't bring myself to type them out. I'm sure most of you have done the same. As if what we do know isn't bad enough, I fear the whole story.
 
  • #111
@my-tee-mouse:

I re-read your post and see that you are also a survivor. (((hugs))))

I wasn't attacking you, the caps were because I am using tapatalk and can't figure out how to bold for emphasis!
 
  • #112
Hi everyone.. I live in Northeastern Indiana (about 30min North of Fort Wayne). And I have to tell you I've been following this forum/thread along (just got approved today) and reporting your findings to my friends :) I would like to say thank you for all your guys hard work and efforts.
 
  • #113
Very interesting.

So he says all of them were sleeping in the living room. Why would he make a point of saying that he wouldn't sleep in the same bed as kids who weren't his?

He says that Ali was up at 2-2:30 am and wanting her mother. Ok I can actually see this happening. But he has supposedly had the kids for a week. But she suddenly in the middle of the night wants her Mommy? What suddenly made her homesick? What suddenly made her want her Mommy?


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According to police affidavit, at the time he claimed she was asking for her mommy, she was already dead. According to police affidavit she was killed early Thursday morning, and he is describing what she was supposedly doing on Friday morning. Well if she were dead and in the freezer she clearly couldn't have been asking for her mommy.
 
  • #114
I agree with you about MOST survivors. And in my case I was very protective of my kids. But I only had one abuser in my environment. And it was top secret, a toxic secret, because no one else in my family would have allowed ti to continue. In fact one of the reasons I never told on him was because I knew my father would have killed my uncle if he had found out about it. At least it seemed possible in my young mind.

But there are some girls who grow up in an entire family of abusers and in a web of sickness and deceit, where it is condoned. Not only condoned, but highly valued. And IF Ali's mother grew up that way, then I will give her some sympathy because if so, she is truly damaged.

To a great extent I will agree with you. But in this case somehow the previous molester got prosecuted. I don't know how it came to the attention of authorities, but it did. And if Mom didn't cooperate in that prosecution then likely she wouldn't have kepr custody of the kids. And she did keep them.
So at least one point she did stand up for her child.

So at this point I think it is a little early to assume that Mom was involved or was ignoring a bad situation. The father said he knew the guy and he thought the guy was ok. So maybe neither of the parents knew about the 13 year old or maybe they were told some story about a vindictive ex wife or something. None of the family seems to have believed this guy would have harmed any of the kids. Somehow I believe that.
 
  • #115
At that time she was already dead and in the freezer. In the police affidavit, she was killed early hours on Thursday. So she would not be asking for her mother at 2:30 am on Friday.

Maybe that is what happened on Thursday, and he bumped it a day in order to establish some sort of alibi, initially?

Would the 6 year olds be able to say when they last saw her with any certainty? My daughter is almost 6 but gets mixed up about yesterdays and tomorrows sometimes (and that is on normal every day activities, not when she last saw her sister).

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The reports on when she was reported missing are confusing. I've read Friday and this article says Thursday.

Probable cause document indicates December 23.

She was reported missing December 23 (Friday) around 8:30. But the girls (6 yos) must have noticed she was gone -- he says they told him she went over to her mother's but I am guessing it was the other way around, and he told them that is where their sister had gone. JMO
 
  • #116
Well it's a New Year here on the East Coast and when I come back to this thread, it reminds me, the New Year is just as crappy as the one a few minutes ago and will be until all the child molestors and abusers meet their fate. :(
 
  • #117
I have come up with one horrific scenario after another in my mind, but I can't bring myself to type them out. I'm sure most of you have done the same. As if what we do know isn't bad enough, I fear the whole story.

I began fearing what I can only hope is the worst once gma began blaming Aliahna and praising MP. That made me want to smack her ( sorry but I did). But more than that, I the worst suspicions of some evil network in which the family was complicit if not actively involved. I won't say anymore cuz I don't want to spend 2012 in Coventry, lol
 
  • #118
According to police affidavit, at the time he claimed she was asking for her mommy, she was already dead. According to police affidavit she was killed early Thursday morning, and he is describing what she was supposedly doing on Friday morning. Well if she were dead and in the freezer she clearly couldn't have been asking for her mommy.

So is it possible that some of the events he was describing as happening on Fri am actually happened on Thurs. am?
 
  • #119
Most survivors know what happened to them is wrong and not only that they refuse to allow their children to be exposed to the horrors they were. It's a myth that everyone who is abused will go on to abuse. I am an example that that is not true. In fac,t my experience has made me more aware and able to spot sociopaths and other creeps easier. Mom has no excuse. None.


I beg to differ, and most of the clients I've dealt with would also. Victims might be totally confused, and some little voice deep inside tells them that something isn't right, but no, it has not been my experience that victims know that what happened to them is wrong, because in many cases, the very people that are abusing them are the ones that are supposed to be teaching them right and wrong.

No one said one word about someone who is abused going on to abuse. I have been abused. Thrice over...babysitter, Bible-thumping grandfather, older friend of older friend. I have never abused anyone. However...have I trusted sociopaths and others who offer a kind hand and word? Yep. You betcha. Because during my "formative years," those people who were supposed to be the paragon of virtue did unspeakable things to me, so the people who said the "right things" must be right, right?

Where has it been shown that this mother did anything to participate in drugs or child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 or prostitution? Where? Where has it been shown that she is guilty of anything other than trusting someone who worked hard at being trusted? Show me. Anybody. Show me. And yet she's been accused of everything and anything. Where are the links, folks? Where's the proof that this woman is engaged in all the awful things she's been accused of?
 
  • #120
Well it's a New Year here on the East Coast and when I come back to this thread, it reminds me, the New Year is just as crappy as the one a few minutes ago and will be until all the child molestors and abusers meet their fate. :(

We still have a few minutes of 2011 here, but I hear you. Neese, I know taking yesterday off from WS and focusing on my own family made a world of difference and lifted my despairing mood.

This world no doubt has it's sh**ty elements, and while it's the responsibility of us all to try to make it better, we have to also take care of "us". ((((hugs))))

Take care of you and let's be hopeful that THIS new year will be the one to finally change things for the smallest victims. It's not one-size-fits-all investigating. Missing children need to be looked for as alive AND dead.
 
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