Bittiness39
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I wonder if any of them worked at/lived near Fort Bragg, NC? Does anyone know? And if so, would it have been around 2005?
Really? The 13 year old was the daughter of a woman the Plumadore was living with. There were no custody issues. MP was not the father but just a live-in boyfriend of the mother.
Very interesting.
So he says all of them were sleeping in the living room. Why would he make a point of saying that he wouldn't sleep in the same bed as kids who weren't his?
He says that Ali was up at 2-2:30 am and wanting her mother. Ok I can actually see this happening. But he has supposedly had the kids for a week. But she suddenly in the middle of the night wants her Mommy? What suddenly made her homesick? What suddenly made her want her Mommy?
He says nothing about what was happening for the next 4 hours. But he allegedly was up all night. At 6 am, he is headed for the store for a cigar? Was that a post coital smoke?
I was trying to think of the reactions/responses of a 9 year old girl. This wouldn't be your typical 9 year old in some ways. Previously molested, with the perp now in jail. So she knew about the justice system, she knew if she complained that he could be arrested. I'm thinking at some point she may have told him she would tell, and that he would go to jail.
She was allegedly killed outside on the steps. Did he tell her she could go home in order to get her outside and keep from waking the 6 year olds? Did he drag her out there? Or did she attempt to run away from him? If so why didn't she try to run while he was at the store? Or was she still really alive by that time?
Perps often give little bits of truths in telling their 'revised' stories. They hope that will help them to remember the details of what they tell, by keeping it as true as possible and only changing incriminating details.
The most interesting thing to me was that it was his idea to tell the 'perp' to send a letter telling what happened or where she was. I think if he hadn't been arrested, hadn't been found out he might actually have done that. Might have later sent a letter, though it is hard to say what he would have written to them.
There's the thing...we look at little girls and get so angry when we see that they've been groomed. But when those groomed little girls grow up and have absolutely no concept of what is right and wrong...we condemn them? At what moment does the magic wand get waved over these "groomed little girls" that turns them into mothers who have any sense about how to protect their own? And no, it is not necessarily waved when we groomed little girls become mothers. And yes, I said we.
Unless and until someone presents proof that this mother...whose father was a RSO...whose mother herself is obviously easily snookered...offered up her daughter...unless and until someone can show me that this mother at some point got that this person who obviously knows what to say and when to say it to sway people his way...and turned her daughter over anyway...unless and until someone can show me that this mother does not have bona fide medical issues that added to the eddy of incidents that led to this horrible, deplorable conclusion...then I absolutely refuse to condemn this woman.
Very interesting.
So he says all of them were sleeping in the living room. Why would he make a point of saying that he wouldn't sleep in the same bed as kids who weren't his?
He says that Ali was up at 2-2:30 am and wanting her mother. Ok I can actually see this happening. But he has supposedly had the kids for a week. But she suddenly in the middle of the night wants her Mommy? What suddenly made her homesick? What suddenly made her want her Mommy?
He says nothing about what was happening for the next 4 hours. But he allegedly was up all night. At 6 am, he is headed for the store for a cigar? Was that a post coital smoke?
I was trying to think of the reactions/responses of a 9 year old girl. This wouldn't be your typical 9 year old in some ways. Previously molested, with the perp now in jail. So she knew about the justice system, she knew if she complained that he could be arrested. I'm thinking at some point she may have told him she would tell, and that he would go to jail.
She was allegedly killed outside on the steps. Did he tell her she could go home in order to get her outside and keep from waking the 6 year olds? Did he drag her out there? Or did she attempt to run away from him? If so why didn't she try to run while he was at the store? Or was she still really alive by that time?
Perps often give little bits of truths in telling their 'revised' stories. They hope that will help them to remember the details of what they tell, by keeping it as true as possible and only changing incriminating details.
The most interesting thing to me was that it was his idea to tell the 'perp' to send a letter telling what happened or where she was. I think if he hadn't been arrested, hadn't been found out he might actually have done that. Might have later sent a letter, though it is hard to say what he would have written to them.
According to one article, MP said Aliahna was having nightmares, woke at 2:30 and wanted her mom.
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http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20111231/LOCAL/111239903
Plumadore said he had stayed up all night because Aliahna had been having nightmares. At one point, she told him she missed her mother and wanted to leave. "But I said, 'Honey, you know, it's 2, 2:30 in the morning. We'll get with Mommy in the morning,' " he said.
Very interesting.
So he says all of them were sleeping in the living room. Why would he make a point of saying that he wouldn't sleep in the same bed as kids who weren't his?
He says that Ali was up at 2-2:30 am and wanting her mother. Ok I can actually see this happening. But he has supposedly had the kids for a week. But she suddenly in the middle of the night wants her Mommy? What suddenly made her homesick? What suddenly made her want her Mommy?
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I agree with you about MOST survivors. And in my case I was very protective of my kids. But I only had one abuser in my environment. And it was top secret, a toxic secret, because no one else in my family would have allowed ti to continue. In fact one of the reasons I never told on him was because I knew my father would have killed my uncle if he had found out about it. At least it seemed possible in my young mind.
But there are some girls who grow up in an entire family of abusers and in a web of sickness and deceit, where it is condoned. Not only condoned, but highly valued. And IF Ali's mother grew up that way, then I will give her some sympathy because if so, she is truly damaged.
At that time she was already dead and in the freezer. In the police affidavit, she was killed early hours on Thursday. So she would not be asking for her mother at 2:30 am on Friday.
I have come up with one horrific scenario after another in my mind, but I can't bring myself to type them out. I'm sure most of you have done the same. As if what we do know isn't bad enough, I fear the whole story.
According to police affidavit, at the time he claimed she was asking for her mommy, she was already dead. According to police affidavit she was killed early Thursday morning, and he is describing what she was supposedly doing on Friday morning. Well if she were dead and in the freezer she clearly couldn't have been asking for her mommy.
Most survivors know what happened to them is wrong and not only that they refuse to allow their children to be exposed to the horrors they were. It's a myth that everyone who is abused will go on to abuse. I am an example that that is not true. In fac,t my experience has made me more aware and able to spot sociopaths and other creeps easier. Mom has no excuse. None.
Well it's a New Year here on the East Coast and when I come back to this thread, it reminds me, the New Year is just as crappy as the one a few minutes ago and will be until all the child molestors and abusers meet their fate.![]()