IN - Aliahna Maroney Lemmon, 9, Fort Wayne, 23 Dec 2011 - #5

[OneLove]

Even with 2 gallon size ------

But the easy to find gallon ones......my god that's a H3LL of a LOT OF baggies. :rant:

You would think so, but Ali was small and slender. I have no idea of her mass and how many gallons that would equal. Anyone out there want to do some calculating and come up with a reasoned guess?

 

[jjenny]

Has it been said that MP was an avid ICP fan? Do we know if mom Tarah was also?

Just for the record, what made me think of this is the above post pointing out that the mom stepdad would only have had to walk 40 seconds to check on the young children and give them a hug. That they went so long without even seeing them (do we know that is true?) is disturbing.

The police affidavit says the child was killed on Thursday early morning. She was reported missing on Friday evening. So if that is correct, the parents haven't seen her for at least that long. Despite the fact that they live in a trailer park close to each other and even if the mother was sick, the step-father presumably wasn't and could have checked on the children.

 

[not_my_kids]

Has it been said that MP was an avid ICP fan? Do we know if mom Tarah was also?

Just for the record, what made me think of this is the above post pointing out that the mom stepdad would only have had to walk 40 seconds to check on the young children and give them a hug. That they went so long without even seeing them (do we know that is true?) is disturbing.

Well, if MP's confession is true in terms of the timeline (still debatable at this point) then he killed her late on the 21st or early on the 22nd (I think). Ali was not reported until late on the 23rd. That indicates at least one entire day of not speaking to her child. That alone is questionable, IMO.

 

[OneLove]

I thought it was mentioned in news articles that Plumadore was very helpful to the mother and grandmother, folding laundry, getting the children ready for school...

Am I wrong about that? And did they think he did this out of the goodness of his heart?

Safe to say you and I wouldn't buy it, but in the transcript of his interview, he was sickeningly patronizing and overly dramatic in his lying concern and undying love and tenderness.

I can see women desperate for any kindness or attention buying into his bullchit simply because it feeds their narcissistic needs.

 

[concentric]

I'm vacillating between mom being totally snowed by Plumadore or somewhat on-board with his plans for the week.

Do you think he could have said something like this: I know you're strapped for cash, but on-line child is lucrative and I have some connections. I will just need to take some naked photos of the girl(s). I won't hurt them in any way. So, no harm. We're helping each other.

Wonder.

 

[not_my_kids]

You would think so, but Ali was small and slender. I have no idea of her mass and how many gallons that would equal. Anyone out there want to do some calculating and come up with a reasoned guess?

I suck at math, but they said in one of the articles that Ali weighed about 41 pounds.

 

[Sparklin]

Last night while reading articles in paper it said 2 girls slept on floor, Ali in recliner (yuck)
and MP on sofa, they watched TV together...........what channels?
Disney or ?
Also what did these dear children do all day?
Did they go out and play?
Visit friends or were they all captive to that livingroom in front of a TV?
Did he take them any where?
Did they have toys, play dolls..........
that is no life for them while mom is almost next door.
What man wants to have 3 little girls under foot day and night under the age of 9???

bbm = I've thought about this a lot ~ and felt so sad about it. When MP stated he woke up at 10ish for moms phone call, realized the door was unlocked...relocked it and went back to bed until 1:ish. Who fed the children? What were they doing? What would have been the difference if they were home with mom taking care of themselves anyway??

 

[Bodhi]

If there is a hunting area where it wouldn't be uncommon to field dress.

If it is a w/d that was used then the plumbing/pipes would be pulled. They must have checked that when they moved the trailer. Also, someone local would know if there are septic tanks in the area. [just having to think of these possibilities]

As far as the laundry goes, I read a MSM article where Schumaker and Tully, 2 other residents of the trailer park, said MP does his laundry at their trailer and that Friday he seemed normal but had an extra load of laundry.

http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111228/NEWS/111229713
"They said the only unusual change in Plumadore's behavior
was an increase in laundry. Shumaker said they washed his
laundry for him, but on Friday he showed up with an extra
load. Otherwise, he seemed fine.

Shumaker remembered Plumadore saying to him as he got
into his truck: “I just want her back, I just want her back.”


The last statement strikes me as the most unnerving. Ali wasn't reported missing til Friday night. I'd love to hear more about the rest of that conversation. Wouldn't those 2 guys have said, "Who? What?"

 

[Etilema]

I'm vacillating between mom being totally snowed by Plumadore or somewhat on-board with his plans for the week.

Do you think he could have said something like this: I know you're strapped for cash, but on-line child is lucrative and I have some connections. I will just need to take some naked photos of the girl(s). I won't hurt them in any way. So, no harm. We're helping each other.

Wonder.

This sounds super plausible to me.

 

[ssa]

Can a judge judging a civil case start the process of pressing criminal charges against one of the participants in the civil case? Isn't it a conflict of interest?

That's the big question in the Iowa case. Why didn't that judge refer this case to the police or to Child Protective Services? I was hoping that the judge might have had a duty to report as a mandated reporter of child abuse and that he might face consequences for failure to do so. As I said in an earlier post, if the 13 year old's Mom had copies of the photos of his genitals that M Plumadore sent to the girl or of his texts stating that he wanted to impregnate the girl, then she had prima facie evidence of assault. Consequently, there was more than enough evidence for a mandated reporter to be required to make a report. I looked up Iowa laws re mandated reporters: judges are not mandated reporters of suspected child abuse

IMO, I don't think that it would be a conflict of interest for the civil court judge in this case to refer this matter to the police. The civil courts I'm familiar with in California all have "bailiffs" present to enforce order, etc. The bailiffs are law enforcement officers and certainly have the power to take someone into custody in a courtroom if the judge orders it. And civil court judges can and do order people taken into custody when the evidence in the civil case also provides evidence of a crime. If Iowa law is similar to Ca law and if the Mom and MP went to court for a hearing on her request for a protective order, then the judge could have ordered the bailiff to hold MP for questioning by LE officers re the evidence of sexual assault contained in Mom's request for a protective order. However, that didn't happen in this case.

I assume that the case was dismissed without a court hearing. Mom had no right to a hearing because she did not meet the statutory requirements for filing a request for a civil protective order - under Iowa law, Mom could get a civil protective order only if she had a past or present intimate relationship with MP, and Mom did not have such a relationship. Mom might have shown up in court; I'm guessing MP did not show up; and the judge dismissed the complaint without "hearing" it and advised Mom to go to the police herself or hire an attorney.

IMO, Mom deserves a lot of credit for trying to protect her daughter. We don't know why she didn't report the matter to the police. But my guess is that MP moved on - his history is that he moves around frequently. With an outstanding fugitive warrant from Florida, the last thing MP would do is to go to court on Mom's request for a protective order. I think MP moved away from the 13 year old and just started looking for his next victim. IMO, this likely was a pattern in his life and one reason for his frequent moves from state to state. For MP it would be safer and easier to walk away from a victim whose Mom was trying to protect her and just look for his next victim.

There's a lesson here for all of us: if your child says she/he feels harrassed or stalked by an adult, or receives sexually explicit photos or messages from an adult, CALL THE POLICE. Do not try to deal with it yourself. In the Iowa case, Mom conceptualized what was happening to her daughter as "harrassment" and "stalking," which she thought were civil matters, rather than criminal matters. So Mom sought to deal with it in the civil courts by asking for a civil protective order. In fact, what was happening to her daughter was a series of separate crimes - assault, sexual assault, stalking, etc. - and absolutely was a matter for the police and the criminal courts.

For the sleuths in Iowa, please get busy advocating for better legal protection for victims of sexual assault in Iowa, especially child victims. Judges in cases like this should be required to refer such cases to the police for investigation immediately. Maybe you could call it "Ali's Law," because if MP had been stopped in Iowa, Ali still would be alive today. And any victim of sexual assault should be able to get a protective order; protective orders should not be limited to victims who had a pre-existing intimate relationship with their abuser.

Sorry for the long post.

 

[OneLove]

I'm vacillating between mom being totally snowed by Plumadore or somewhat on-board with his plans for the week.

Do you think he could have said something like this: I know you're strapped for cash, but on-line child is lucrative and I have some connections. I will just need to take some naked photos of the girl(s). I won't hurt them in any way. So, no harm. We're helping each other.

Wonder.

That is exactly where I have been from the time this case first broke. It just seems there are too many coincidental cues that point to possible collusion. Maybe they ALL thought MP could take care of their 'problem' child, get away with it, it would be a missing child tragedy, and they would all get rich over it with donations, paid trips, interviews, appearances, and such. Opportunistic pigs without conscience. MAYBE.

 

[Etilema]

As far as the laundry goes, I read a MSM article where Schumaker and Tully, 2 other residents of the trailer park, said MP does his laundry at their trailer and that Friday he seemed normal but had an extra load of laundry.

http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111228/NEWS/111229713
"They said the only unusual change in Plumadore's behavior
was an increase in laundry. Shumaker said they washed his
laundry for him, but on Friday he showed up with an extra
load. Otherwise, he seemed fine.

Shumaker remembered Plumadore saying to him as he got
into his truck: “I just want her back, I just want her back.”


The last statement strikes me as the most unnerving. Ali wasn't reported missing til Friday night. I'd love to hear more about the rest of that conversation. Wouldn't those 2 guys have said, "Who? What?"

It doesn't say what time this happened. Perhaps it was in the evening, after the report?

 

[redfish]

I am guilty of all the bashing of the parents. Thanks for all of the posts reminding me that I am not fully aware of all of the facts. Been thinking about this alot this morning. Hoppy's post about blame does fit for me too. I can't fully let them off the hook but also think I will try to give a little slack here. I am pretty vigilant.... consider myself pretty informed and cautious... but I have been fooled a few times myself. I am human too. Therefore, not excusing, I realize they are only human too. It is so hard in these times to constantly be on our guard. It is hard to realize that so's do not have a "look", they are not only poor or only rich, they are not just the uneducated they are also very educated and often the powerful and respected members of our society. They are family. They have families. We don't have a grip on this because it is woven into the fabric of our lives so well. I am so at a loss for ideas to combat this "sickness".

 

[Noway]

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Did she? I don't recall seeing where she defended him after the confession, but my memory isn't always up to snuff. Could you post a link to the interview where she defended him after the fact, or was it in a FB post perhaps? ...

Despite the confession, the little girl's grandmother, Amber Story, stood by Plumadore.

'I don't care what anybody says. Mike did nothing to her. He loves those girls,' she told the News-Sentinel.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...el-Plumadore-poses-cameras.html#ixzz1iEepQFRO

(This may, of course be bad reporting.)

But in all fairness, there are those media stories that differ ...

Hours before he confessed, Aliahna's grandmother told CNN that she did not suspect Plumadore.
"I have no, no qualms about saying that Mike would never hurt any of those children, or any children, period," she said.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/274...l-plumadore-charged-aliahna-lemmon-murder.htm

[This was also before he confessed]Aliahna’s mother, grandmother and grandmother’s husband all insisted that Plumadore had nothing to do with Aliahna’s disappearance.

http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20120101/LOCAL07/301019938

 

[passionflower]

Even with 2 gallon size ------

But the easy to find gallon ones......my god that's a H3LL of a LOT OF baggies. :rant:

and expensive.........unless he is a couponer.
Who keeps that many baggies (unless you freeze stuff in season, garden)
a hacksaw and bleach handy enough to scrub down everything???
and no bleach smell?
was this planned? maybe
did he have a helper? maybe
was he the only person in that trailer with 3 little girls night after night?
Did he have a couple buddies in?:furious:
I want the whole story on this pervert.

 

[Mimiof8]

If you ask me, Alianah could have USED a dog . . . who would probably have had a much better SENSE about reading character and intent than all the so-called adults surrounding her. (This isn't the place to get into a discussion about the pros and cons of Pitbulls, but I've seen some who were the most loving, smart, eager to learn and behave dogs out there.)

I agree about the pit bull, we also had one named Bama. She was well trained and behaved better than my kids. BUT if anyone dared raise their voice to me or one of my kids she would get in-between whoever it was raising their voice and us. She'd push them with her head to make you notice that she wanted you to stop...if you didn't she'd hit you with her paws. Luckily it never progressed beyond that I truly believe she would have protected me and my family no matter what. Sadly she became paralyzed after a fall down stairs and she had to be put down.

Sorry this was ot but how I wish Ali had a dog like our Bama.

 

[passionflower]

I'm vacillating between mom being totally snowed by Plumadore or somewhat on-board with his plans for the week.

Do you think he could have said something like this: I know you're strapped for cash, but on-line child is lucrative and I have some connections. I will just need to take some naked photos of the girl(s). I won't hurt them in any way. So, no harm. We're helping each other.

Wonder.

SEXTING comes to mind..............:furious:

 

[TexasCharm]

Re: Dangerous dog thing

many cities have dangerous dog laws.

Some cities have breed bans as well.

All of these are available online.

Fort Wayne has a pretty strict Dangerous Dog ordinance but doesn't have a breed ban.

Obviously the dog fell into one of these categories.

imo

 

[passionflower]

I am guilty of all the bashing of the parents. Thanks for all of the posts reminding me that I am not fully aware of all of the facts. Been thinking about this alot this morning. Hoppy's post about blame does fit for me too. I can't fully let them off the hook but also think I will try to give a little slack here. I am pretty vigilant.... consider myself pretty informed and cautious... but I have been fooled a few times myself. I am human too. Therefore, not excusing, I realize they are only human too. It is so hard in these times to constantly be on our guard. It is hard to realize that so's do not have a "look", they are not only poor or only rich, they are not just the uneducated they are also very educated and often the powerful and respected members of our society. They are family. They have families. We don't have a grip on this because it is woven into the fabric of our lives so well. I am so at a loss for ideas to combat this "sickness".

IMO we do tend to view a certain 'pattern' with abuse, murder and so we do see more 'clues' than most people so we do tend to blame. I for 1 do think there is allot to this crime. Like a pyramid of sorts.........my hinky meter is ging nuts!

 

[Etilema]

That is exactly where I have been from the time this case first broke. It just seems there are too many coincidental cues that point to possible collusion. Maybe they ALL thought MP could take care of their 'problem' child, get away with it, it would be a missing child tragedy, and they would all get rich over it with donations, paid trips, interviews, appearances, and such. Opportunistic pigs without conscience. MAYBE.

Collusion, perhaps--but for which crime? Could be child or prostitution, or could be, as you suggest, the murder/disappearing itself, or perhaps just the cover-up ("oh no, this went wrong--what should we do?").

Again, though, this is all TOTAL SPECULATION; it is entirely possible that the patents are guilty of nothing worse than horrible judgement and/or self-absorption (possibly due to substance abuse) and/or neglect. Still, even those assesents are MOO!