GUILTY IN - Amanda Blackburn, 28, pregnant, murdered, Indianapolis, 10 Nov 2015 #4

[MaxManning]

I too have sat in my car finishing a phone call, but never for that long...

The man is a pastor. I've seen a few of the videos, and he certainly strikes me as someone who could talk even longer than that.

 

[heidisams]

Thank you for this information. My limited knowledge of Indy is on the Carmel area, Meridian, and the Lucas Oil Field hotel/shopping area. When I first heard of this crime, I was curious why they weren't hitting up the Meridian area if they wanted lots of high priced goods. Driving into Indy via Meridian Street is breathtaking. Especially during the holidays. I thought I read in one of the articles that one of these guys lived in an apartment (or slept at a friend's house) on Meridian? Do you recall reading that? Does Meridian lead into lower priced houses as well? I only recall mansions.

Thanks for the local insight! Indy is a great town - not getting a good reputation with this story though.

Yes, Meridian St runs north-south through downtown, it actually continues throughout the state (31), marking the central line... The stretch of Meridian St you drove, going into the city from Carmel is N. Meridian, this is what I was referring to in my post, and it has several blocks of beautiful homes, but if you continue through into the downtown area you get into the low income area. Taylor was found staying at a home on S. Meridian, which is in a low income area. The center point of downtown Indianapolis is called The Circle, Meridian street runs through it, anything north of that point is N. Meridian, and south is S. Meridian. There's a huge difference between the north and south side of Meridian st, within the city limits. Just to note: 38th St runs through N. Meridian St... BTW, I love Carmel, my husband and I met in Carmel, we were married and lived there for 5 years. Most of his family still lives in the Carmel/Nora area. Most of my family, including my husband, kids, and I now live in the Fishers/Noblesville area...

With all of it's problems, as most cities it's size does, Indy is still a great place, thx for saying so! I can't imagine living anywhere else!

p.s. Sounds like you were in town for a Colts game?

All jmo.

 

[heidisams]

1400 meridian , based on google street view is anything but upscale. The street is a long one, and like in most cities, the scenery can change drastically depending on where you are on that street.

And this is the case throughout Indy. On any given thoroughfare the changes can be quite significant, and Meridian is probably the best example of this... the stretch of upscale homes/mansions along N Meridian we were discussing in another post is located in the historic district, however, this is the exception, most of the "nicer" homes/communities scattered throughout the city are middle class homes... Broad Ripple is a great example of this. But, driving through Broad Ripple the scenery can change in an instant. Often, street by street...this is the norm...

All jmo.

 

[FlyerFan28]

Taylor was tracked down by a detective to a residence in the 1400 block of Meridian, according to the affidavit.

Thieves don't always target the upscale neighborhoods. Middle class neighborhoods are more vulnerable, and in general, full of disposable electronics.

His fried likely lived in one of the older apartment buildings in that area. The location is part of the Old North Side neigborhood, we lived at 14 and Central for a few years. Anyway, there are many stretches of Meridian that aren't as nice but especially the stretch from 38th Street to the Circle. It is mostly high rise apts., and some are nice but others are not.

 

[FlyerFan28]

And this is the case throughout Indy. On any given thoroughfare the changes can be quite significant, and Meridian is probably the best example of this... the stretch of upscale homes/mansions along N Meridian we were discussing in another post is located in the historic district, however, this is the exception, most of the "nicer" homes/communities scattered throughout the city are middle class homes... Broad Ripple is a great example of this. But, driving through Broad Ripple the scenery can change in an instant. Often, street by street...this is the norm...

All jmo.

Same for driving toward Irvington. Scary to take any street East but once you get past Emerson, it's not bad. I've lived near 56th and 465, Broad Ripple, Carmel, west side, east side again, downtown and finally in Garfield park. I really know Indy.

 

[BrownRice]

Yes, Meridian St runs north-south through downtown, it actually continues throughout the state (31), marking the central line... The stretch of Meridian St you drove, going into the city from Carmel is N. Meridian, this is what I was referring to in my post, and it has several blocks of beautiful homes, but if you continue through into the downtown area you get into the low income area. Taylor was found staying at a home on S. Meridian, which is in a low income area. The center point of downtown Indianapolis is called The Circle, Meridian street runs through it, anything north of that point is N. Meridian, and south is S. Meridian. There's a huge difference between the north and south side of Meridian st, within the city limits. Just to note: 38th St runs through N. Meridian St... BTW, I love Carmel, my husband and I met in Carmel, we were married and lived there for 5 years. Most of his family still lives in the Carmel/Nora area. Most of my family, including my husband, kids, and I now live in the Fishers/Noblesville area...

With all of it's problems, as most cities it's size does, Indy is still a great place, thx for saying so! I can't imagine living anywhere else!

p.s. Sounds like you were in town for a Colts game?

All jmo.

My mother in law lived there for a couple of years, so we went into town often. Now we go a couple times a year. I love that town! A lot more happening than my podunk town a couple hours away.

I obviously never went south past the nice part of Meridian, so my only reference was the very fancy homes. I was shocked when I read Taylor was found in a house there. How far is the Blackburns home from the Circle?

 

[DeDee]

This is the first I am seeing that DB was on the phone from 7:10 am when he left the gym, until 40 minutes AFTER arriving home at 7:30, where he continued his conversation while sitting in his driveway. That is 1 hour and 12 minutes on his phone. That is just another heartbreaking detail in this tragedy. I too have sat in my car finishing a phone call, but never for that long, and never did I learn that a loved one was actually dying inside while I chatted on the phone delaying me from entering my house. I would have a very difficult time getting past the "what if" playing in my head as I tried to come to terms with the violent death of my loved one. DB seems incredibly strong and stable in his faith to be able to face and accept these circumstances. Of course I have no knowledge of his day to day, minute to minute current state of mind, which could be extremely fragile for all I know. I am only going by his public statements, and how I imagine I would react. There but for the grace of God go I.

This is the first I am seeing that DB was on the phone from 7:10 am when he left the gym, until 40 minutes AFTER arriving home at 7:30, where he continued his conversation while sitting in his driveway.

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Early on, I mentioned this fact about the gym/travel time/arrive home/ 911 call but my post was deleted. I also posted the arrest record of JW. I asked a general question about how long does one work out at the gym. My guess was 50 minutes. Davey drove 10- 15m to his gym & 10-15m home = 20 - 30 travel time. Davey left the gym at 7:10; add the travel time of 10 -15 minutes travel and we're at 7:20ish for his arrival home with temperatures as low as 37.7 degrees. Since he doesn't call 911 until 8:22, he was still on the phone inside his car during this time frame minus a couple of minutes for the discovery.

To our knowledge Davey had no idea that gunshots and a scream were heard or that suspicious people were in the neighborhood, so there was no reason for him to be suspicious of anything at that point.

I don't know about anyone else, but the sit in the car to make a phone call before going into a store or even home is a common thing I do! But I don't see the correlation between that and hearing gunshots and a scream, and not doing anything.

Maybe people in the neighborhood watch loud movies often ?

but the sit in the car to make a phone call before going into a store or even home is a common thing I do

I never implied Davey knew anything was amiss. Please do not change my words. He didn't sit in the car and make the call. He told investigators that he was on his phone to someone while he was still at the gym and continued speaking with them even after he arrived home. Further, I was providing a timeline. I was not asking for correlations to gunshots or screams.

I am confused over why you bring loud movies into this discussion. The tragedy struck in the early morning hours but if it was in the nighttime hours, I may agree that is possible that loud movies were being watched by neighbors. But it still has zilch to do with the timeline.

Adding the temperature ? Was that the temperature in the car ? Was the car running ?

Again, I believe that many have done this kind of thing often and in far worse and far better weather. When it's cold, I'm sometimes in no hurry to leave the car. I often stay in the car and keep it running or talk until it gets too cold.

Seems plausible, imo

There is no place here for rudeness. I added the outdoor temperature of 37.7 degrees with wind chill during the time Davey was on the cell phone while in his driveway because I felt it is an important clue. Why not go indoors to complete his conversation in the warmth of his home office?

MaxManning, you claim this is possible, plausible or even feasible. Staying inside your car to finish listening to a favorite tune on the radio is plausible. We just simply cannot base our plausible assumptions, on any case, because it may have been a possibility that it occurred. We should base our speculations upon facts of the case; not whether or not it is a possibility that it happened. It is possible that the perps ate a few oranges they stole but they didn't. They left the bag of oranges inside the stolen vehicle. Therefore, there is no need to form a plausibility of any oranges being eaten since the known facts are contrary to that no oranges were eaten.


Realizing I am behind in reading the 3rd thread, I am not yet satisfied that the perps purposely selected this area to burglar when an area just as close to the NW of San Clemente would have yielded much greater profit. Both areas likely had security cameras. Some waterfront homes could have been vacant. The wealthier Geist reservoir area had easier ins and outs of the neighborhood. Even the immediate area N of Amanda Blackburn's cul-de-sac could have been selected but wasn't. Why not?

I still feel the Timeline is critical. LEO knows it, too., imho.

 

[Hippiemomof5]

Adding the temperature ? Was that the temperature in the car ? Was the car running ?

Again, I believe that many have done this kind of thing often and in far worse and far better weather. When it's cold, I'm sometimes in no hurry to leave the car. I often stay in the car and keep it running or talk until it gets too cold.
Seems plausible, imo

My dad is a pastor, he is available 24 hours a day for people to call him to talk. Sometimes he even leaves at odd hours to meet people at their homes when talking on the phone isn't enough. It doesn't strike me as odd even one little bit that DB sat in the car to finish his conversation. It's far easier to finish a conversation uninterrupted than walking in the house and needing to find a quiet corner away from AB and the baby without making them or whoever he was talking to feel like he was being put on the back burner (mouthing a hello and walking past to the bedroom, or stopping the person talking to say "hello").

 

[heidisams]

So there's no confusion.... According to the PC, Taylor was located on the 1400 block of South Meridian... This is the south side of downtown. All other events related to this crime appear to have taken place on the north side.

1451 S. Meridian... It appears to be older homes.

All jmo.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Yeah but when its your HS friend you talk to every week, maybe you talk for ten minutes in the driveway and then tell him you have to go help your pregnant wife with the toddler.

 

[Peppery]

Yeah but when its your HS friend you talk to every week, maybe you talk for ten minutes in the driveway and then tell him you have to go help your pregnant wife with the toddler.

Has it been confirmed who he was talking to?

Either way, it really has no bearing on the case, IMO, who he spoke with or for how long. It only adds another layer of sadness to an already heartbreaking case.


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[heidisams]

Yeah but when its your HS friend you talk to every week, maybe you talk for ten minutes in the driveway and then tell him you have to go help your pregnant wife with the toddler.

Not necessarily. Every conversation's different, every person's different.

All jmo.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Has it been confirmed who he was talking to?

Either way, it really has no bearing on the case, IMO, who he spoke with or for how long. It only adds another layer of sadness to an already heartbreaking case.


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Yes. Kenneth Wagner, his HS friend and a pastor who lives in another state. Kenneth happened to tweet that morning that he loves doing life with Davey Blackburn and that he loves their weekly conversations.

ETA: if you go to the blackburn church websisite, you can listen to his sermon where he preached in Davey's stead.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

I have only really see this case here on WS. It saddens me this isnt more in the national news. RIP Amanda and sweet baby who didn't have a chance. Disguested by the people who protest other killins and not tthis one.

 

[MaxManning]

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There is no place here for rudeness. I added the outdoor temperature of 37.7 degrees with wind chill during the time Davey was on the cell phone while in his driveway because I felt it is an important clue. Why not go indoors to complete his conversation in the warmth of his home office?

Rude ? I apologize if it came across that way, but certainly was not my intent.

I also gave you examples of what I do in similar situations, and I don't believe I am alone on this. Reasons why I have done this in the past :

1. To not disturb my child that was sleeping. ( i talk loud sometimes)
2. To give full attention to the person I was talking to, knowing that when walking in the door might divide my focus.
3. Hands free blue tooth system in my car, and don't want to risk losing the call - so finish the call in the car.

I'm sure there are more. But I have done this many times, which is why I say it's plausible.

I have left my car running before and I'm sure others have as well.

I am not following you when you say we cannot base our plausible assumptions on any case. That's kind of what you do is weigh plausibility of everything and sometimes... even the implausible is the truth. You made a statement that was suggesting it was implausible to stay outside in a car with a given temperature. I am just saying it's not implausible. I'm not saying that what you said couldn't be true. But If you are saying someone might not stay outside for any of the reasons listed - I am not sure what to say, because I have done each one of them and more I believe it to be common with many people as well. I've seen comments even on just this small sampling of people that mirror what I am saying.

Sorry if you took that I was being rude. I'm just saying that it's not at all implausible to me that he stay outside to finish a call. I'm not looking to insult you.

 

[bessie]

This is the first I am seeing that DB was on the phone from 7:10 am when he left the gym, until 40 minutes AFTER arriving home at 7:30, where he continued his conversation while sitting in his driveway. That is 1 hour and 12 minutes on his phone. That is just another heartbreaking detail in this tragedy. I too have sat in my car finishing a phone call, but never for that long, and never did I learn that a loved one was actually dying inside while I chatted on the phone delaying me from entering my house. I would have a very difficult time getting past the "what if" playing in my head as I tried to come to terms with the violent death of my loved one. DB seems incredibly strong and stable in his faith to be able to face and accept these circumstances. Of course I have no knowledge of his day to day, minute to minute current state of mind, which could be extremely fragile for all I know. I am only going by his public statements, and how I imagine I would react. There but for the grace of God go I.

I'm sorry if you missed it, Coco, but it is in the timeline I posted in the previous thread, post #958; and in the beginning of this thread, post #6, and in the Media thread, post #37.

I agree. It's another heartbreaking detail, for sure.

 

[bessie]

So there's no confusion.... According to the PC, Taylor was located on the 1400 block of South Meridian... This is the south side of downtown. All other events related to this crime appear to have taken place on the north side.

1451 S. Meridian... It appears to be older homes.

All jmo.

Thanks, heidi. I corrected my post.

 

[MaxManning]

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I am confused over why you bring loud movies into this discussion. The tragedy struck in the early morning hours but if it was in the nighttime hours, I may agree that is possible that loud movies were being watched by neighbors. But it still has zilch to do with the timeline.

This is what you said in relation to conversation about neighbors who heard gunshots and a scream and didn't report them to police or 911:

" If the person heard gunshots then Amanda was dying. She was dying while Davey sat in his car for 40 minutes, too." -

My point was that the difference is that Davey didn't hear gunshots or a scream. So how is what you said relevant to our discussion about neighbors not responding to gunshots and a scream? Why does davey sitting in his car for 40 minutes have anything to do with that scream and gunshots and neighbors not calling police. You used the word "too" in that sentence, which links the two topics. that's all I am saying. One is not the other.

My suggestion was that maybe they thought it might be someone watching TV loudly ? You theorized a car backfiring. gunshots without a scream and maybe I could agree with you. I apologize, not trying to be rude, just saying that I don't think that was the case. I don't think he/she thought it was a loud TV either, I was just pondering what he/she could possibly think it would be that wouldn't warrant calling the police.

But yes, the gunshots and scream are not in direct relation to the timeline in the context of our conversation. But you are the one who brought that aspect up, I just responded.


EDIT -- I can't find the statement about the car backfiring, not sure if it got modsnipped / removed or if I just imagined you said it - But not sure what would be good reason for not calling police, other than the person thought it wasn't gunshots and a scream.

 

[Lilibet]

I just have to chime in and say that I'm sure Davey will wish for the rest of his life that he had not sat in the car talking on the phone while Amanda lay mortally injured inside. But coulda-woulda-shoulda is pointless for him to rehash and it's really pointless for us too IMO. If there is subtle blaming going on, it's really unfair. He had no way of knowing what had happened to Amanda. It really doesn't matter who he was talking to. If it was a normal day and she had needed his help with Weston, she could contact him. It's over. It's done. It is what it is.

 

[night train]

Yes. Kenneth Wagner, his HS friend and a pastor who lives in another state. Kenneth happened to tweet that morning that he loves doing life with Davey Blackburn and that he loves their weekly conversations.

ETA: if you go to the blackburn church websisite, you can listen to his sermon where he preached in Davey's stead.

It's clear this was a regular weekly 7am - 8am Tuesday phone call between two old friends who went to college together.

Sounds solid to me but I wonder how common it was for Davey to workout at LA Fitness on Tuesdays ?

They were on the phone when Davey left LA Fitness at 7:10am.The gym I workout at is 12 minutes away.Everybody's different,but that would be a tight timetable for me,the phone stuff doesn't leave much time for the gym.

I admire the strength of Davey's Faith and doubt he had any involvement in Amanda's murder,but this seems a bit off.Might just be me,I hate being on the phone.

"Speaking at Amanda's funeral five days later on Nov. 15, Wagner revealed that he would speak with Davey religiously every Tuesday from 7&#8211;8 in the morning. He explained how close he was to Davey and Amanda and said he was horrified to learn that Amanda had been killed."

http://www.christianpost.com/news/d...ollege-roommate-wife-amanda-lay-dying-150934/